Let’s tell the truth about vaccines

Finally scientists acknowledge aborted fetuses are the source
Hayflick with cells

Hayflick with WI-38 cells

The following comes from an Aug. 22, 2013 story by Michael Cook on Mercatornet.com.

After decades of ignoring the issue, Nature, the world’s leading science journal, has finally acknowledged that creating life-saving vaccines from tissue from aborted foetuses is a deeply controversial ethical issue.

In 1964, an American researcher obtained cells from a Swedish foetus aborted because her mother already had enough children. He coaxed them into multiplying into a cell line which he called WI-38. Since they were normal and healthy, they were ideal for creating vaccines. Two years later, scientists in the UK obtained cells from a 14-week male fetus aborted for “psychiatric reasons” from a 27-year-old British woman. This cell line is called MRC-5.

It is undeniable that the vaccines made from WI-38 and MRC-5 cells have saved millions of lives. Scientists have made vaccines against rubella, rabies, adenovirus, polio, measles, chickenpox and shingles, as well as smallpox, chicken pox and hepatitis A.

But protests by opponents of abortion have been largely ignored by the scientific community. If you Google “vaccines” and “abortion”, only Catholic groups, right-to-life organisations and sites warning about the dangers of vaccinations mention the topic. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention barely alludes to it even though it has abundant information on vaccines. A website called Vaccine Ethics at the University of Pennsylvania Center for Bioethics fails to mention it.

The reason is clear: vaccines save lives and the abortions happened a long time ago. Get over it. Who cares? “At the time [the fetus] was obtained there was no issue in using discarded material. Retrospective ethics is easy but presumptuous,” says Stanley Plotkin, the American scientist who developed the rubella vaccine. “I am fond of saying that rubella vaccine has prevented thousands more abortions than have ever been prevented by Catholic religionists.”

But now even Nature – which supports abortion rights and reproductive technology – has expressed its misgivings. “More than 50 years after the WI-38 cell line was derived from a fetus, science and society [have] still to get to grips with the ethical issues of using human tissue in research,” its editorial declared in June.

What has changed?

Henrietta Lacks (from Wikipedia)

Henrietta Lacks (from Wikipedia)

If you could single out a reason, it would be the intensely moving 2010 best-seller, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, by Rebecca Skloot. This book has nothing to do with abortion, but it highlights the deep respect, almost sacredness, that the body of a human person must command, even something as insignificant as discarded tissue.

Henrietta Lacks was an African-American woman who was 31 when she died of cervical cancer in 1951. Cells from her tumour became the first human cells cultured continuously for use in research. HeLa cells have helped to make possible some of the most important medical advances of the past 60 years, including modern vaccines, cancer treatments, and IVF techniques. They are the most widely used human cell lines in existence. More than 300 scientific papers are published every month using HeLa cells.

There is no question about their usefulness – but were they obtained ethically? Is it ethical to continue using them?

The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks raises disturbing questions which transcend “usefulness”. Henrietta Lacks was poor and black. Her children, it seems, are even poorer. A doctor at Johns Hopkins removed her cells without asking her. He cultivated the cells without informing her. He distributed the cells without asking permission of her family. Companies became rich by using her cells without paying royalties. Her family only learned that their mother’s cells had been scattered around the world in 1973. Their complaints were ignored for many years – after all, they were only poor, uneducated black folks.

No one cared about the woman called Henrietta Lacks who was overdosed with radium, who died leaving five children behind, one of them an epileptic housed in a filthy, chaotic institution called The Hospital for the Negro Insane. Some people even thought that HeLa cells originated with a woman named Helen Lane. Her daughter wrote in a diary, “When that day came, and my mother died, she was Robbed of her cells and John Hopkins Hospital learned of those cells and kept it to themselfs, and gave them to who they wanted and even changed the name to HeLa cell and kept it from us for 20+ years. They say Donated. No No No Robbed Self.”

It was only earlier this year that the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) negotiated an agreement with the family. All researchers who use or generate full genomic data from HeLa cells must now include in their publications an acknowledgement and expression of gratitude to the Lacks family.

Incredibly, despite all the publicity, scientists continued to ignore the concerns of the Lacks family. Just a few months ago, German researchers published the first sequence of the full HeLa genome. This compromised not only Henrietta Lacks’s genetic privacy but also her family’s. (The researchers have removed the sequence from public view.)

The story of HeLa cells, in short, is twofold: a story of towering scientific achievement and a story of exploitation by ambitious and callous scientists.

Less famous, but even more important, says Nature, have been WI-38 cells. HeLa cells multiply prolifically, but they are cancerous. WI-38 cells are healthy and normal and have been used to develop vaccines against rubella, rabies, adenovirus, polio, measles, chickenpox and shingles. Their origin is even more controversial than the dark story of Henrietta Lacks.

In 1962 a Swedish woman who was four months pregnant had a legal abortion because she did not want another child. The lungs of the foetus were removed and sent to Philadelphia. At the Wistar Institute for Anatomy and Biology they were minced up, processed and cultured by Leonard Hayflick. He had been culturing cells from aborted foetuses for years, even though abortion was technically illegal in Pennsylvania at the time, except for medical emergencies.

After he successfully multiplied the WI-38 cells, Hayflick created more than 800 batches and distributed them freely around the world to drug companies and researchers. He eventually quarrelled with Wistar authorities because he thought that his contribution was being ignored. Without permission, he took all the remaining batches to California and his new job at Stanford. This led to years of bitter legal battles over who owned the cells. No one worried about where they had come from.

The abortion connection is beyond dispute, although, as Nature points out, “until now, that story has failed to reach the broad audience it deserves.” As in the Henrietta Lacks case, no informed consent was given by the Swedish mother. Her identity is known but she refuses to talk about the case. The doctors involved are all dead. A Swedish medical historian told Nature that in Sweden, “research material like tissues from aborted fetuses were available and used for research without consent or the knowledge of patients for a long time”, both before and after consent rules were tightened later in the 1960s.

The drug companies and institutions which have used WI-38 deny that there are serious ethical concerns either with the use of cells from aborted foetuses or with the lack of consent.

The institution which has examined this issue most closely is the Vatican. In 2005 it released a meticulously researched study of the ethical issues involved in using vaccines which had been developed with tissue from aborted foetuses. Even though it contended that parents could have their children vaccinated with a clear conscience, it did not dismiss the question as irrelevant or absurd. On the contrary, it concluded that “there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems.”

And it said that the existing situation was completely unjust. “Parents… are forced to choose to act against their conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the population as a whole at risk. This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible.”

What is the way forward?

I am writing from suburban Sydney which long ago lost its connection to the Aboriginal tribes who once lived here. Yet at every civic ceremony we acknowledge the memory of the Cammeraygal and Wallumedegal peoples. It is a form of reparation for the dispossession, disease and death which carried them away, leaving neither names nor descendants.

Doesn’t the story of Henrietta Lacks suggest that drug companies should do something similar with their vaccine products? From now on, the NIH says, scientists who use HeLa cells must include “an acknowledgment and expression of gratitude to the Lacks family for their contributions”.

Why shouldn’t drug companies and researchers who use the WI-38 (or the MRC-5 cells) do the same? “This vaccine was developed with the cells of a Swedish child who was aborted in 1964. We are grateful for her contribution and grieve at her absence.”

Michael Cook is editor of MercatorNet.  

To read the original story, click here.

 

Comments

  1. Abeca Christian says:

    This is horrible. I hate this evil world! My heart is broken. How could they think it be OK to use aborted fetuses. Poor Henrietta Lacks, the injustice done on her and her family.

    This is all disturbing, that is why a few years back I have decided to stop vaccinating my kids. Well at least the ones that I discovered that where created with aborted fetuses. I am disgusted and I feel torn up by all this. I thank you CCD for sharing this article with us. I pray that God will help parents discern well when they will come to decide to vaccinate. I know that some vaccines are needed and life saving so we need to push for laws that will protect us with morals and help create better morally options! Yes Lord hear our prayers on this. We parents really want to do right by God and discern what is right by our kids, sometimes we just feel insecure of our choices in choosing what vaccines are OK for our kids, because of the pressures that propaganda’s cause, so I pray that we fight the good fight to help parents be better informed and also laws that will respect that freedom as well.

    • Well said Abeca. Thank you.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Your welcome SandrD….Thank you as well. It means a lot to me. After all we are one in Christ. We belong to Him, He belongs to us. We are one in Him. How precious that is, as unworthy as we are, He still took mercy on us and made us His, when we cooperate with His holy will.

        Reflection John 17

  2. Linda Maria says:

    The world needs to stop worshipping modern science, as if it were a “god,” to bring them all they most want and need, in life! A lot of modern science is too destructive, and disrespectful to God, and to mankind! Proper ethical limits need to be set on science– and everyone just has to humbly put up with it! It is good to save lives– but how about also saving souls??

    • Anonymous says:

      Linda Maria:
      “Science” means knowledge, nowadays unfortunately narrowed to mean only knowledge of the natural world. Knowledge is not destructive unless it’s false knowledge. The pursuit of knowledge is part of “subduing the earth” commanded in Genesis. The problem is the morality of the means selected to acquire and apply knowledge. Those problems are as old as man.

      • Linda Maria says:

        To pursue and acquire scientific knowledge, for whatever it can bring us — is not always the best thing for mankind to do! Especially, with no regard for ethics, or for God! And also, knowledge in the wrong hands, can bring about disaster — such as, knowledge of how to make nuclear weapons! Or, knowledge of how to do many other destructive things, that are not ethical! Our world has been nearly ruined, all over the globe, due to the destructive results of applied science, for the misplaced “benefit of mankind!” We may do as needed, while alive, for survival needs, and for the welfare of ourselves and others — as Genesis states, “to subdue the earth…” (etc.) But this idea is really meant originally, to be VERY SMALL!! Not meant for mankind to “PLAY GOD,” at all! Too many people cast aside worship of God, in the modern era, and worship science as a false “god!” It is very important, to seek God, and to save souls! This life is only temporal, and our true life, is beyond– in Heaven, eternally, with God!!

    • The problem is that too many worship $cience. Greed certainly IS the root of all evil. And attempting to circumvent God’s perfect design is what is going to cause our downfall.

  3. To find which vaccines are morally acceptable go to:

    cogforlife.org
    stands for: children for God for life

  4. Father Karl says:

    The end does not justify the means. Situation ethics seems to rule the land today. When I was in grammar school, we were basically taught that it was justifiable that America dropped the atom bomb on the two Japanese cities. We were taught, IT SAVED MILLIONS OF LIVES, BOTH AMERICAN AND JAPANESE. Venerable Fulton J. Sheen preached about how this was the destruction of innocence and St. John Paul II echoed these words, and now we are realizing that this was a horrible act. Because we have become selfish and practice relativism, we no longer accept traditional moral absolutes. With these ideas, whatever it takes to get ahead, be happy, famous, or get rich are our guiding principles. The devil believes that life is against his ideas, so his demonic ways are influencing the disregard for God given life.

    • F.K. – Sorry, you are incorrect as this action did save many lives and did indeed end a horrible war. Had the other side won the world would no longer be here. Its so easy to speak of things after the fact as Sheen, JP 2 and many others did. In this case “the end does justify the means”….

      • Fact #1: Japan was going to surrender, it just didn’t go public yet. Fact #2, the bombs were NOT let off at Japanese military bases (why?). Fact #3, the bombs were let off in civilian towns (old men, women and children). Fact #4: the bombs were let off on the 33rd 34th parallels (calling-cards of Freemasons). Fact #5: the towns that were bombed were THE TWO LARGEST CATHOLIC COMMUNITIES IN JAPAN. Coincidence?

  5. respectlife says:

    The only thing that will fix the evil that surrounds us is Gods intervention. Pray that our Church leaders will once again teach moral values that are defined in the Gospel. We have a disease of evil infecting our world and many Catholics have lost their way.

  6. Yes, the Vatican has issued a statement regarding the use of aborted fetal cells in vaccines. Sadly, most Bishops in America have failed to inform the Catholics in their diocese of this humanitarian and moral issue. I contacted the office of Life, Justice and Peace in my diocese, a year ago, but was never acknowledged. Their silence on this issue still remains.

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Tracy you know a year ago about this time, I had to renew my car insurance contract, now its coming up due again….

      So its been a year since you contacted them, its time to renew and contact again and demand an answer. Its coming up due, view it as a contract…..time to renew again….make that phone call again.

      • Thank you Abeca, I do hate being the squeaky wheel, but for the love of God I will do it! I invite you and others to do the same!

  7. juergensen says:

    A full lemon a day, quartered and squeezed into a glass of water, keeps illness away. Try it. I have for years. And look at me. 🙂

    • Abeca Christian says:

      LOL yes juergensen you sure look good. Smilie I like lemonade so I will consider your recommendation.

    • Yes, lemon juice without the sugar alkalizes the blood. Lemon peel also has beneficial qualities, so zest away!

      • I read that if you freeze the lemon first then scrape the skin it comes off more easily and then keep it in a freezer bag to sprinkle in cooking or drinks. I’ve also seen lemon or lime chunks frozen in ice cubes to put in drinky-poos. 🙂

        • Abeca Christian says:

          Sounds delicious and very welcoming with this hot weather in Simi Valley, CA. LOL Will do Tracy. = )

          Dana about that cup of tea, lets wait till the weather cools off a little…maybe how about some iced tea with lemon….Tracy and Juergenson we can all have some.

          • Sounds terrific, Abeca! We put fresh sprigs of mint in our iced tea. I make my tea in a teapot with boiling water then add sugar…don’t care for sun tea as I find it too weak. ptooey. :o) I make peach cookies as a go with…butter cookies shaped like peaches w/peach jam inside, dipped in colored sugar to look just like peaches! yum. Would be so fun to have a get together w/ everyone with the drone of bees and the buzz of locusts in the distance…fireflies twinkling as the sun goes down.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            LOL sounds like fun Dana. Could use a break from all the huzzle and buzzle of life. Come to Simi Valley and I would take you to the Reagan Museum and after then we can try your yummy teas and cookies, or if I may spoil you with my loose tea’s. I make mine fresh too, none of those tea bags. LOL

            Well if I visit Rye, New York (or decide to move there)…I can try to take the long drive to your place and enjoy your company but we have to pray the Rosary, praise God for all His blessings too. haha well anyhoo, its sure nice to dream.

  8. Sue House says:

    Please refer to the Natioinal Catholic Bioethics Center (ncbcenter.org): “If there is no alternative to a vaccine produced from cell lines associated with abortion, one is morally free to use the vaccine. The reason is that the risk to public health, if one chooses not to vaccinate, outweighs the legitimate concern about the origins of the vaccine. This is especially important for parents, who have a moral obligation to protect the life and health of their children and those around them…A statement from the Pontifical Academy for Life issued in 2006 holds that one may use these products, despite their distant association with abortion, at least until such time as new vaccines become available.” At issue is the health of our children, public health, and THE COMMON GOOD.

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Yes I have about that but also do your research on how high of amounts some of those vaccines have, mercury and aluminum and research showing the issues with ADD, autism etc. Some of those vaccines are not even necessary.

      PS RR and Tracy posted some good links and info to check out.

      • Your Fellow Catholic says:

        Purported links between vaccines and autism and ADD have been thoroughly debunked. On the other hand, measles is back because some parents are afraid to vaccinate their kids because these false notions. http://www.healthline.com/health-news/children-anti-vaccination-movement-leads-to-disease-outbreaks-120312

        • Abeca Christian says:

          Check out links from Dr. Mercola and he has other info on his site to research on vaccines too.

          Quotes in which I agree with from his website too:
          1. “Fear-Mongering Is a Lucrative Business.”

          2. “Protect Your Right to Informed Consent and Defend Vaccine Exemptions. With all the uncertainty surrounding the safety and efficacy of vaccines, it’s critical to protect your right to make independent health choices and exercise voluntary informed consent to vaccination. It is urgent that everyone in America stand up and fight to protect and expand vaccine informed consent protections in state public health and employment laws. The best way to do this is to get personally involved with your state legislators and educating the leaders in your community.”

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Internet Resources Where You Can Learn More taken from Dr. Mercola website:

            ” I encourage you to visit the website of the non-profit charity, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), at http://www.NVIC.org:

            1. NVIC Memorial for Vaccine Victims: View descriptions and photos of children and adults, who have suffered vaccine reactions, injuries and deaths. If you or your child experiences an adverse vaccine event, please consider posting and sharing your story here.
            2. If You Vaccinate, Ask 8 Questions: Learn how to recognize vaccine reaction symptoms and prevent vaccine injuries.
            3. Vaccine Freedom Wall: View or post descriptions of harassment and sanctions by doctors, employers, school and health officials for making independent vaccine choices.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Here are some links from Dr. Mercola info too that links Vaccines to some of the issues children are facing:

            http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/08/hepatitis-b-vaccine-triples-the-risk-of-autism-in-infant-boys.aspx

            http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm
            Also Natural News has some researched facts as well:
            http://www.naturalnews.com/042012_vaccine_facts_vaccine-damaged_children_cdc.html

            Just puling one info from the website is not enough. Check where those sources are coming from, some have biased information. I’m not going to tell you what to do, just be informed. That is all. Our kids are not guinea pigs, they are human beings and the fact is drug companies make a lot of money, the government is not God fearing, so because those of us who are, should take part in getting informed before we decide to inject our kids bodies with what they decide is good for you.. Facts are important, not fear mongering nor experimentation, should be imposed on anyone without knowing what is being injected in them and facts that back up their reasons to recommend any injection. Happy parenting, a parents job is not always easy especially in today’s day in age.

          • Charles A says:

            I agree Abeca, I am for “parental rights: to choose.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Wow, many children will die because you choose to promote one vogue doctor’s opinions.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            YFC aren’t you reading all the info? Its not just one doctor. There are many. Well YFC you sure give me a lot of power, because of what I posted, my yet to be humble suggestions to do their research, you say that many will die? Wow I didn’t know that I had that much power. Thanks YFC for thanking so highly of me. := ) you are very kind YFC, thank you, I mean it.

            LOL well I’m sure it can save many children too. God bless you parents in discerning well.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Thanks Charles A

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Abeca, I’ve ready much about the issue of vaccines, and you are way off base. The one doctor who offerred “evidence” of vaccines causing autism was shown to be a profiteer and his research was rejected by the journal immediately upon it coming to light. Since then, no journal has confirmed his “evidence”. Many other journals have reviewed all the evidence and done more research, and any link to autism and ADD have been thoroughly debunked.

            So keep on rejecting vaccines, and watch more innocent children die. You can decide for your self what your role was in their passing. I’m sure Our Father will have his own opinion.

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  10. Good thing that this topic is in a Catholic site , because it allows us to look at the issues with Godly wisdom , esp. after Mother Church has, in Her caring manner , looked at the issue .

    Do we ever think that teh air we breathe is so closely linked to that from the other ; we are one in so many ways ; not condoing the wrong of those who have done what they have but our role , esp. as Catholics would be , to see how God’s mercy can be availed , on the whole sitaution , just like on all who have been natives of the various lands and so on ;

    thank God we live in times when , along with awareness of evil , we laso have more awareness of God’s mercy , need and freedom for us , to plead for and live in that mercy , entrusting each of us , all that is part of our lives , including the deceased and aborted children , to The Mother of Mercy, that repentnace , truth and all such good would come forth from our mistakes, even as we ponder need and kind of reparation – Holy Mass for all departed ?

  11. Just could it be that our Lord has taken the act of murdering a child and using the result for saving a child through resulting vaccines. God is LOVE and all He does is in the name of LOVE.

  12. YFC, you trust science too much. I’ve been around scientist types for most of my adult life. If you don’t think there are half truths, political influences, data manipulation or hiding or at a bare minimum, confirmation bias in lots of studies out there, you are sadly mistaken. Yep –that can occur on both sides of an issue –but it happens much more when the data may support an “unpopular” (ie. non–status quo) position. The pressure to squash that lone “unpopular” voice is an enormous career crushing force. The scientific community (and probably more importantly –government agency) does not want to admit to any link to vaccines and autism, ADD, allergies or any other side effect. It is not in their best interest. I don’t know for sure if vaccines are causing chronic conditions, but I do know that 40-50 yrs ago, we sure did NOT have these issues. No peanut allergies. No “one in 68” with autism. No every other kid with ADD…And don’t give me the tired explanation that “we just didn’t know about it as quickly then”.. Yeah right. Just ask anyone over 50 if there was ever anyone in their class that had an anaphylactic reaction to the mere touching of a peanut. I have yet to find a person say “yes”. Something we started doing in the past 30-40 yrs is causing these problems in our kids. It is a man-made problem. Vaccines and our sad agricultural practices tainting our food is the logical places to look. I, for one, wouldn’t be too quick to say anything is “debunked”.

    • Karen, congratulations for having an inquiring mind and not believing everything which the scientific establishment (which usually means scientists bought and paid for by the industry they are doing the testing for) tells you. The government very often is complicit in this as well. Just last week a whistleblower from the CDC admitted that they covered up a study that showed an increase of autism of 340% among African-American males after the MMR shot.

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Wow you don’t even understand what science is. You can’t trace emergence of any of those issues with vaccines. NONE.And by the way, I’m over 50 and we had 2 kids in my class with severe peanut allergies.

      • I think it’s you who do not understand what science is, and what the limitations of it are. There have actually been very few studies done that actually compare rates of autism (or other ills) in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children in a controlled setting. Usually, they are testing an ingredient from the vaccine to isolate whether it alone is causing any problems. As someone said above, they are not testing the entire “witches brew” that someone is exposed to. And no one is saying that
        vaccines are the only culprit. And what don’t I understand about the CDC coverup? It’s pretty easy to understand. They didn’t like the results, so they withdrew a large number of children from the study, so that there was not enough remaining children to show statistical significance.

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          I understand perfectly well what science is. What it is not is the taking of one person’s discredited and withdrawn study proven to be borne of his self interest, and then concluding that the entire notion of vaccines is minimally useful. And with that notion, throw out the data showing millions who have lived longer lives because of them.

          • Are you talking about the Wakefield study? I’m not sure it was withdrawn for any other reason than political pressure, when you come down to it, but one study is really irrelevant to the big picture of the benefits/harm of vaccines.

  13. It’s pretty questionable whether vaccines do any good anyway. Careful study shows that modern sanitation is responsible for the vast majority of improvements in the 20th century. And then with all the toxins in vaccines -mercury, aluminum, etc., it’s not worth it at all. By the way, in addition to the ethical issue, injecting another person’s DNA into your body is very harmful as well.

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      You are not injecting another person’s DNA, the mercury is not harmful for the vast majority, and vaccines have saved millions, literally millions of lives.

      • Uh yes, DNA from monkey, pig and aborted baby tissue is in those vaccines. Natural and divine law require severe consequences for use of this witch’s brew.

  14. This is a fine example of what has happened to the American search for truth. We have become a nation where one person’s ignorance is given as much weight as another person’s knowledge. We are willing to follow non-scientific evidence by non-scientific schemers rather than look at real evidence. Ask anyone who works for CDC what they think of vaccines. They will tell you that they are the reason so many childhood deceases have gone away, and that recent refusal of people to vaccinate children is bring the deceases back. No child should be allowed in school, public or private, who has not been properly vaccinated. The parents of vaccinated children should not place their children at risk by being close to those who have not. It is time to use science and not talk radio to keep our country safe.

  15. I am a Catholic and have refused the shingles vaccine because it was developed from an aborted fetus. By the way, it doesn’t prevent you from getting shingles, but in some cases may make the attack milder.

    • Mamie, My children got the chicken pox from some child vaccinated against Chicken pox in their school.

    • Mamie, I am of the age where most of us as children got the chicken pox (and measles).
      The ads on TV state that 1 in 3 will get shingles if they have had chicken pox.
      Although we all have certainly heard of shingles, my friends and I don’t know of a single person with shingles and we live in a 55 and over community.
      False advertising does not help with trust.

      Let’s not forget the government approval of the use of “Thalidomide” by pregnant women either.

  16. It is good to fight against evil of any kind, but all of us have no more time left for anything Three and a halve years maximum is all we have it should be used for praying not talking, but then you all have free wills to do as you please the choice is yours

  17. Devout Traditional Catholic says:

    True, and millions have died worldwide due to the perversion of sodomy, which has wrought the AIDS crisis!

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Most who have died of AIDS were straight. Besides which what does AIDS have anything to do with this conversation about vaccines?

      • Anonymous says:

        Don’t feed it.

      • only in Africa, but not in the US

      • YFC, your statement is not accurate.
        According to the CDC – homosexuals and bisexuals have the highest incidents of AIDs.
        ” Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States.” – quote from CDC
        http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/index.html

        If you love your neighbors YFC, you will preach abstinence for all your homosexual friends. For their health, if not their Souls.
        The anus is not meant for sexual activity.

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          Dottie, CDC is referring to incidence of disease in the United States. I am referring to worldwide statistics. Moral arguments about what causes disease are 1) Silly and misguided in the first place and 2) Even if not, morality is not an American “thing”.

          • YFC, there are no world-wide statistics, since many countries do not keep records.
            However, please provide a link to world-wide stats if you have something ‘official’ to back up your allegations.

            You can not refute the CDC stats for gays and HIV in the USA, because all incidence of AIDs are reported.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          God bless you DOTTIE for your faithful comments. I appreciate your witness in Christ.

  18. I’ve known this for ages. My daughter has done some research on vaccines,(she has children too and is disgusted) , there are ones made in France that are made with a fetal-free base.( who can fly around the world getting fetal free vaccines)? This is indeed a world where evil is snowballing so far from God and upright ethics. Who knows what to expect with messing around with illicit things for a good end- it never comes to a happy end.

  19. Devout Traditional Catholic says:

    Thank you Dottie, for sensitively and prudently sharing this with yfc. AIDS is a horrifying disease, which is an outgrowth of men who are living a disordered lifestyle.

  20. Devout Traditional Catholic says:

    Good morning, and happy Labor Day. It greatly distresses me to share some information with my fellow Catholic bloggers.. Whilst at mass yesterday at the VA Hospital, one of the Priests explained to those in attendance that the diocese would no longer CHARGE for annulments, a number of people laughed, a few clapped. The Priest went further and stated, “Oh Well”, even Catholics sometimes need a DIVORCE! My wife and I shook our heads in utter disbelief and incredulity as this Priest laughed and joked about the sacredness of marriage and later, before the final blessing began singing happy birthday, to some little girl in the front pew, at which point my wife and I were further horrified, by the lack of solemnity and utter shamelessness of this priest and the secular, modernist parishioners in attendance, I will never return to this VA chapel for mass, EVER! I will make the 30 mile drive to the parish which my wife and I were married in, that is traditional and devoid of these grave trappings of modernism and sacrilege. I will be contacting the Bishop today and Rome concerning this Priest’s flippant, cavalier and sacrilegious demeanor during the holy sacrifice of the mass yesterday.

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Devout Traditional Catholic thank you for taking action and for your time to contact the Bishop and Rome. Please make it a priority. Lets tell these priests that it is not acceptable! We do not accept this kind of behavior. Since you were the one who witnessed this, you are doing the will of our Lord, to report such bad behavior. You are being charitable to that Chaplin. By helping correct his error, you are doing it in charity. Save copies for yourself and do not give up. Pray before and after. I always suggest a good confession before writing the letter, so the Lord will protect you from the spiritual war that comes with speaking up and defending what we hold holy. Often when I am about to take action to defend what I hold dear in Christ, the spiritual attacks come very strong even from people whom say they are faithful. The devil likes to slander the good name of any church militant. So don’t allow any distractions to stop you from writing in your complaint.

      God bless you and guide you.
      JMJ

  21. All three of my children are autistic, none were vaccinated prior to the diagnosis (catch it early and your kid benefits from that) All three exhibited anomalies prior to birth. Just MHO but anyone who says vaccines cause autism is either a liar promoting their some private agenda or the foolish tool of such a liar.

    • Subvet, Dr. Theresa Deisher has NEVER said that ALL forms of Autism are caused by vaccines. Autism has existed long before vaccines were even invented. What her studies have proven, is that the DNA in the vaccines created from an aborted fetus is the cause of a particularly severe type of autism called “Progressive Autism”. You can read about this at “Children of God for Life” http://cogforlife.org/.

      Dr. Deisher also founded a non-profit company called Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute. They are working on developing safe and ethical vaccinations and adult stem cell therapies. http://soundchoice.org/

  22. Medicine in the hands of evil people can lead to world wide tyranny!

    Please do your research on the Tainted Tetanus Vaccine. “Human Life International, an international pro-life group, reported on peculiar tetanus vaccination programs in the Philippines, Mexico and Nicaragua. The World Health Organization4 only targeted women between the ages of 15 and 45 – the child bearing years – for repeated tetanus vaccinations”. http://doctorsforlifeph.com/news1.php I read that BBC also filmed a documentary exposing this.

    The tetanus vaccine was tainted with hCG which tricks a woman’s body into seeing her baby as foreign causing a spontaneous abortion. Doctors for Life state that WHO scientist are continuing their work on developing combination vaccines which will make women “immune” to their own children.

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