Catholic men need priests who will lead

A recent survey shows many Catholic men are ready to engage more deeply in the Faith—when priests make a commitment to actively evangelize them
(photo: CMFJC, from Aleteia)

(photo: CMFJC, from Aleteia)

The following comes from an August 16 Catholic World Report article by Mathew James Christoff:

The New Evangelization has been a major effort in the Catholic Church for more than 40 years. Unfortunately, it has failed to stem several significant downward trends among faithful in the United States. Since 2000, 14 million Catholics have left the faith, parish religious-education participation of children has dropped by 24 percent, Catholic school attendance has dropped by 19 percent, baptisms of infants has dropped by 28 percent, baptism of adults has dropped by 31 percent, and sacramental Catholic marriages have dropped by 41 percent. Something is desperately wrong with the Church’s approach to the New Evangelization.

The New Emangelization Project has documented that a key driver of collapse of Catholicism in the US is a serious and growing Catholic “man-crisis.” Large numbers of baptized Catholic men have left the Faith, and many of those who remain Catholic neither know nor practice the Faith and are not committed to passing the Faith on to their children. Recent research shows that large numbers of young Catholic men are leaving the Faith, becoming “Nones,” men who have no religious affiliation. The growing losses of young Catholic men will have a devastating impact on the US Catholic Church in the coming decades, as older Catholic men pass away and young men fail to remain and marry in the Church, accelerating the losses that are already taking place.

While there are massive cultural forces outside of the Church (secularism, pluralism, anti-Christian bias, radical feminism, pornography, etc.) and missteps within the Church (failure to make men a priority, sex abuse scandals, etc.) that have contributed to the Catholic “man-crisis,” the New Emangelization Project has conducted dozens of interviews with top men’s evangelists that suggest a critical reason for the crisis is that bishops and priests have not yet made the evangelization and catechesis of men a clear priority. Men are being ignored by the Church, and they know it.

To gain deeper insight into the role of priests in the evangelization and catechesis of men, the New Emangelization Project conducted the Helping Priests Become More Effective in Evangelizing Men Survey in the fall of 2014. More than 1,400 practicing Catholic men from more than 1,000 parishes in the US participated in the survey.

Overall, the survey results suggest that only about one in five priests have made the commitment to actively evangelize and catechize men, but those who do have a dramatic impact on the faith lives of men. A large majority of men are ready to follow their priests, and in fact are longing for their bishops and priests to call, teach, and lead them. The survey underscores that large numbers of Catholic men are dissatisfied with the lack of attention from their bishops and priests.

Seven themes have emerged from the survey results.

Few priests actively evangelize men, and men are very dissatisfied.

Only about one in five priests were rated by respondents as being highly effective in the evangelization and catechesis of men in their parishes. Most priests do not have a “man-plan,” do not gather men together for evangelization and catechesis, and are not engaging men on the most basic of levels (such as showing up for scheduled men’s events, Knights of Columbus meetings, etc.). Very few priests speak to men in homilies, despite the fact that more than eight out of 10 men never participate in a parish activity other than the Mass. Further limiting the success of evangelizing men, very few priests encourage men to evangelize other men. Men see priests as preoccupied with women’s issues and believe that many priests are afraid to specifically evangelize men.

Men are hungry to be challenged with the truth, especially in regard to sexuality and the consequences of sin.

One of reoccurring themes of the New Emangelization Project is that men have not learned the most basic elements of the Faith and, as a result, don’t practice the Faith. Unfortunately, the survey shows that the majority of priests have not made the catechesis of men a priority.

Men need priests to teach about how to engage more deeply in the sacraments and prayer. The New Emangelization Project research shows that large numbers of Catholic men do not understand or engage in the Mass, the sacrament of reconciliation, or prayer. Despite the urgent importance of drawing many more men into a passionate engagement in the sacraments and prayer, respondents perceived that few priests are actively helping men to better understand and participate in the spiritual life. If the practicing Catholic men who responded to the survey sense the need to grow in their understanding, how much more so for the majority of Catholic men who are lukewarm in their faith!

Apologetics is also an area in need of more emphasis by priests. The New Emangelization Project research shows that half of Catholic men do not believe they can adequately explain the Catholic faith to others. Only 15 percent of survey respondents “strongly agreed” that their current pastor taught men “to defend the Catholic faith with full loyalty to the Magisterium.”

The lack of solid evangelization and catechesis has contributed to the exodus of Catholic men from the Church. Respondents sense that men need to be challenged to know their faith so that they can more fully practice the Faith and help others better understand it.  Men who don’t know the Faith won’t stay in the Faith.

The lack of Catholic fraternity hurts men’s faith lives.

One of the surprises from the survey is that only one in six of the highly committed Catholic men who participated in the research said they had acquaintances, close friends, and bonds of brotherhood in their parishes.

This lack of fraternity is something that few priests are actively seeking to address. Despite the fact that the New Evangelization has been a growing priority for the Church for a number of decades, the survey reveals that only 12 percent of priests make it a priority to call men to evangelize other men, which is at the core of building fraternity.
The lack of fraternity matters, for greater fraternity leads men to have more robust faith lives. Men who did have strong bonds of brotherhood in their parish were much more likely to engage in the Faith than those men who did not have strong bonds of brotherhood. Men with strong bonds of brotherhood pray more, go to Mass and confession more frequently, are more likely to read Scripture, and are much more likely to participate in men’s activities and to volunteer in their parishes.

Men hunger for more reverent liturgies.

Since Vatican II, there have been drastic changes to how the Mass has been celebrated. There has been significant liturgical experimentation, changes in architecture and music, the involvement of Eucharist ministers, and the introduction of female altar servers. As noted above, during the same timeframe, large numbers of Catholic men have left the faith.

The survey underscores the fact that many men sense that a de-sacralization of the Mass has occurred, and that many priests are failing to offer the Mass in a way that draws men deeper into the Faith: only about a third of priests were strongly rated as offering the Mass in a way that is reverent and that draws men into a deeper communion with Christ. Men also felt that the Mass had become feminized, with an overrepresentation of women in liturgical roles, music that had become feminized, and homilies that failed to speak to the challenges and needs of men.

The New Emangelization Project interviews consistently indicated that the vast majority of Catholic men lack understanding of the majesty and power of the Mass and of how they can fully participate in the Mass; there is a great need for men to be catechized about the Mass, and men know it.

Priests who focus on men have great impact.

The one in five priests who make it priority to engage men through evangelization and catechesis dramatically increase men’s understanding and practice of the Catholic faith. Priests rated highly effective in evangelizing men have a strong impact on men: men attend Mass more frequently, read Scripture more, go to confession more, participate in men’s events, volunteer more, and have more and deeper friendships and bonds of brotherhood with men in their parishes.

It is critical to note that the survey respondents were already highly committed Catholic men. Nevertheless, priests who focus on men make a significant impact on the faith lives of men, even those already actively engaged in the Faith. It is reasonable to conclude that highly effective priest-evangelizers can have a very high impact on men who are more casual about their Faith.

Digging in deeper, priests who were rated as highly effective in specific evangelization topics had a strong impact on the faith lives of their men. Priests who emphasize confession lead men to go to confession more often. Priests who teach men about the Mass lead men to attend Mass more frequently. Priests who actively evangelize men and call and challenge their men to evangelize other men result in men having greater bonds of brotherhood in their parishes.

Priests who show up for men’s events have men who show up too. Priests who personally teach Bible studies see more men participate. Priests who actively support the Knights of Columbus encourage more men to participate. When priests show up, so do men.

This survey makes it clear that priests who make a commitment to personally engage their men in evangelization and catechesis have a dramatic impact; men pray more, receive the sacraments more frequently, have deeper bonds of brotherhood, and are more active in their parishes.

Men will follow priests who lead.

Despite the criticism that some respondents leveled against some priests, many believe that the large majority of priests have the ability to lead men effectively.

The survey results reveal that 70-80 percent of priests already have men’s respect, and only about 20 percent of priests have made a negative impression on men. From these findings it seems clear that many men strongly desire their priests to lead, and that if priests are able to step up, many men will follow.


  1. Abeca Christian says:

    Yes its true. To lead them to manhood, to being holy and taking after God’s own heart. To be faithful to their wife’s and children. Faithful to do what it takes to raise good wholesome families. Priests that hold men accountable and with conviction!

    St. Joseph was an ordinary sort of man on whom God relied to do great things. He did exactly what the Lord wanted him to do, in each and every event that went to make up his life. – St. Josemaria Escriva

  2. Abeca Christian says:

    To gain deeper insight into the critical role that priests play in the evangelization and catechesis of men, the New Emangelization Project fielded the Helping Priests Become More Effective in Evangelizing Men Survey in the Fall of 2014. Over 1400 practicing Catholic men from the United States from over 1000 parishes participated in the survey, including solid responses from age groups and zip codes. – See more at:

  3. Abeca Christian says:

    Unfortunately, men see few priests as decisively teaching men about Catholic manhood.
    Men are not being challenged to virtuous Catholic Manhood

    The survey reveals that few men think their priests are challenging and teaching men how to be Catholic men, fathers and Saints:

    Only 14% of the men surveyed “strongly agreed” their current priest helped “men understand how to be better Catholic men, husbands and fathers.”

    • walt osgood says:

      Another individual who writes a long scholarly article and doesn’t understand the most important fact….”the priest is the ONLY EUCHARISTIC MINISTER” everyone else is an EXTRAORDINARY MINISTER…

  4. Abeca Christian says:

    I found this quote on the internet but it didn’t say who said it:

    All this has happened because many men rejected the basic foundational truth of manhood: that your life is to be spent at the service of others, even to the point of dying for those you love to protect them. Until sufficient numbers of men understand that and make it their own again, society will be lost and spiral even more out of control.

  5. Deacon Craig Anderson says:

    Interesting article. As one who has been involved in men’s ministry for a number of years, I’m acutely aware of its importance. However, the article notes efforts of New Evangelization for the past 40 years and that’s simply not accurate. I was involved in church and ministry 40 years ago, when I was 17. We weren’t engaged in new evangelization in 1975 and didn’t even know what it was. I do see signs of effectiveness in the new evangelization. Although still small, the new springtime St. John Paul spoke about can be seen around us.

    Sorry! What I previously posted went out under my wife’s Facebook account, but I wrote it.
    Deacon Craig

  6. And what about the other half of human creation?

    • mike m, are you talking about women when you write:
      “And what about the other half of human creation?”
      If so, you bring up an interesting question: if the homily at Mass is to make men into good fathers and husband, what voice is there to do the same for us women?

      • Abeca Christian says:

        It begins with the men. First came Adam then Eve. Adam did not protect Eve nor admonished her for eating of the forbidden fruit. He was given a special role to protect Eve but instead he blamed Eve and God for given her to him. Just like Jesus lead and just like our Lord commands men to die of themselves for their wife’s, just like Jesus did for His church. It clearly states that in Ephesians. So if we have a crisis now of men wimping out, then its not unreasonable to encourage our priests to lead. It needs to begin somewhere and why not with Christ’s church.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Throughout the church’s history this has been an ongoing issue. Its nothing new. I dont appreciate people who neglect that this has been an issue all the time. Yes we are living different times that are more challenging due to media,hollywood and internet. More added complications but nothing new just different times.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          “Chastity, or cleanness of heart, holds a glorious and distinguished place among the virtues, because she, alone, enables man to see God; hence Truth itself said, ‘Blessed are the clean of heart, for they shall see God.’”
          — Saint Augustine

  7. david drewelow says:

    in the weakened church, priests who lead are a threat to the wimpswamp of non-leadership that has formed a film on clear waters. when a newly ordained priest comes into dioceses with the freshness and directness of the gospel, it sends a shock-wave to the biosystem that tries to defend itself. most threatened of all are the old pastors who sense that new fervent activity and bright homilies might leave them looking feckless by comparison. a highly active new priest also l sets a model that threatens the ‘vacation mode’ that many priests have gone into as they happily delegate everything to everyone to enjoy free time. in the diocese of…

    • David Drewelow: good insight.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Yes David good insight. Well conveyed with charity.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          The church is not weak but its people are. Return sinners to Jesus. Fear the Lord, acknowledge His presence both in the OF and EF mass. So not stumble like the idiots who refuse to be lead by humility and truth. Take not for granted all the treasures of the faith. Return to Jesus. Lead your family. Cleave and cling to your spouse in Jesus. Honor God and his commandments. You are called for greater things.

    • I agree David. As a woman, I have refused, so called leadership rolls, such as lectoring, saying that the priest should be doing this. If all women did the same, more priest would start leading.

  8. What is with this hand jive thing, I just don’t get it. Can someone please explain this to me. We are not Protestants.

    • Living Water says:

      @Joe: That’s an interesting comment re “hand jive” concerning the photo in this article. You seem to have a problem with men raising their hands to the Lord with shouts of adoration and praise motivated by the heart of Christ within. What exactly is your problem?

      • Living Water , = Beware of those who call themselves Living Water.

        Please stop polluting the Living Water with your agenda to protestantize our Catholic Faith. We realize that there are those who strive to use novelties to water down teachings and practices. Joe is absolutely right and also pretty darn hip with his “hand jive” comparison. Good work Joe! The photo above could be and also looks like a Harvest Crusade gathering. Faithful Catholic men who have been properly catechized do not confuse their roles with the priest. This lack of catechesis, uniformity and confusion can often be seen at Mass. Confusion is a hallmark sign that the slippery snake is slithering in the mix.

    • “Orans” Posture and Hand-Holding During the “Our Father” Are Against the Rubrics (Instructions) for the Mass…you can read the rest here Joe.
      I remember being put off by such a display rather like the Pharisees beating their chests, etc. at charismatic Protestant churches I used to attend, but now I try to concentrate on my own prayer to God and ignore those around me.

      • Anonymous says:

        For the laity there is no prescribed posture during the praying of the Our Father, other than standing, as your source points out (contrary to the title of the paper.)

        • It isn’t so much about proscribed postures, anon, but I’ve often noticed that the arms out, hands cupped as if receiving something is a variation of the star position in yoga…not the full five point star, but like the one you see in the upper title picture on this website.
          The fact that modern Christians didn’t pray like that until the seventies tells me this is a mongrel charismatic adaptation. Sorry, but I’ve just never trusted this innovation…as though we’re soaking up power from the universe. And it is not a humble posture either. Anyway, I prefer bowing my little head and clasping my hands together in an attitude of humility and pennitance. God bless!

          • Don’t know anything about yoga. I think it is an imitation of the priests gesture.

          • Ann Malley says:

            “…I think it is an imitation of the priests gesture.” Another very good reason why the practice should be discontinued. The folks in the pews are not the priest and this notion of pretended sameness (not equality) is damaging souls.

          • Agreed.

  9. Most priests I know are good men. Their agenda are set by the institutional church: sacramental prep and ministry, administration, meetings and councils at the diocesan and parish level. Taking out the message of Jesus, Evangelization, has been muted by institutional duties. It takes effort to go beyond the busy-ness of ministry, beyond “working for God” and really doing God’s work. Bishops follow the institution of the USCCB. Priests follow diocesan guidelines. Challenging preaching is sometimes silenced. With Benedict and Cardinals Ouelette and Burke, we began seeing some evangelizing bishops. With Cardinal Wuerl and Pope Francis, I see more administrative ones again, like those of the 80s and 90’s.

    • CCC: ” 888 Bishops, with priests as co-workers, have as their first task to preach the Gospel of God to all men, in keeping with the Lord’s command.
      They are “heralds of faith, who draw new disciples to Christ; they are authentic teachers” of the apostolic faith “endowed with the authority of Christ. ”
      – – – – – The Apostolic Faith is contained in Sacred Scripture and the Deposit of Faith is contained in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition”.
      Far too many Bishops and Priests DO NOT teach the Faith completely and accurately – including on Mortal Sin, death, judgment (with requirement for repentance), Heaven, Hell, etc.

      • As a diocesan priest who am part of the institution, I could not agree with you more. Working for God, doing things, is easy: meetings, building construction, administration. Doing God’s work is harder: preaching truth to the world who rejects it, speaking the fullness of the faith, fighting against the institution’s sluggishness for the real teaching. It is what we are called to do. Now instead of saving souls with spiritual truth, it is about popular secular issues: immigration, living wage, social equality, justice, fairness, rights which do not have their root in Christ’s salvation above saving souls.

        • Anonymous says:

          Father Perozich. they have their roots in God’s justice.

          • Bernadette says:

            Anonymous, you have shared something very important with Father: ‘social justice’ is an ESSENTIAL part of being a Christian!!
            As we read in the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Matthew 25:41-46: “Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? Then he shall…

  10. Steve Phoenix says:

    The vague term “New Evangelization” is one of the circiterisms (= a vague term for a vastly different set of interpretations, each of which every person understand differently) of Vatican II. Another one is the famous “The Spirit of Vatican II”: means entirely different things to different people.

    The USCCB defines it as [1] where “each person deepens one’s faith”, then [2] “go forth and evangelize”. [Is this new? Sounds like Mt 28:19ff) However, anyone who has been familiar with all the talks we’ve attended for the last couple decades can’t overlook how often the word “new” appears: “new vision”, “new understanding”, “new theology” are also grouped together. A movement away from the past, definitely.

    • Steve Phoenix says:

      It is just that after 50 years of trying a “New Evangelization”, which has utterly failed (see the website where even they link to the 2008 CARA study showing a decrease in religious practice by all Catholics from Vatican II era on—the only group that retained most of their practice were pre-V2 people), the “New Evangelization” frankly is Old Failed Evangelization.

      You don’t know how many people I/we have assisted to become Catholics in the New Church who, when they asked about: Marian devotions, The Rosary, the cult of the saints, were turned down on more info, and fed “new evangelization” instead.

    • Anonymous says:

      Steve Phoenic, I find people’s understanding of the New Evangelization to be very poor. The “old” evangelization was to take the Good News to those who had never heard it. the New Evangelization is to carry the Good News to those who have forgotten it or who were poorly educated in the faith.
      There are a lot of people working in this area.
      As for those who asked about Mary and the Saints and the Rosary and were not answered, that sounds like an area that you could help with. These are important things in Catholicism.
      So the new evangelization can and should be done by everyone. It takes people who know the Faith to do it, though.

      • Ann Malley says:

        Folks do understand, Anonymous, that is folks who know the Catholic Faith.

        This ‘new evangelization’ promoted with a smile is nothing more than a cover up for failed policies and those who have not been doing their job for far too long. That is why the smile and verve without the necessary acknowledgement of culpability is like getting absolution without having to confess.

        It’s not valid.

        “…As for those who asked about Mary and the Saints and the Rosary and were not answered, that sounds like an area that you could help with.” You don’t seem to understand, Anonymous, that Mary, the Saints and the Rosary weren’t not not answered, but were poo pooed and mocked.

        That’s why the mea culpa is necessary before…

        • Ann Malley says:

          …absolution and renewal. Merely glossing over 50 years of heartburn just won’t cut it.

        • Living Water says:

          @Ann Malley, –so what’s wrong with the “old” evangelism of sharing the gospel with people who no nothing of Christ? We are to be about the lost as Jesus commanded. The problem is that the great majority of Catholics are poorly equipped and trained to reach outside someone who isn’t Catholic. It’s pathetic what has happened. I asked someone after Mass about the new evangelism. He said “taking someone to Mass.” I asked how can you explain the Mass to someone who doesn’t have clue about Jesus except He is some dude that lived 2,000 years ago and died on a cross.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Nothing is wrong with the old evangelism, Living Water. I was responding to Anonymous posting of:

            “… the New Evangelization is to carry the Good News to those who have forgotten it or who were poorly educated in the faith.”

            You are right on when you say, “…It’s pathetic what has happened.”

            That is why I’m more for owning up to the failure of the ‘new’ ways. The old way was to teach, preach, and uphold the truth. All of it. May be unpleasant and unpopular, but that’s the only way to get it out there. And part of that is the Church hierarchy admitting culpability for the poor state of affairs – and not to the point of inventing even more new, fresh, different bangly spangly approaches. Just BE Catholic, all the way.

          • Anonymous says:

            The new evangelization is the re-proposal of the Gospel to those who at one time were Christians. Why are you having such a difficulty understanding this?
            You seem to think it means altering the Gospel in some way. It does not.

          • Ann Malley says:

            There is absolutely no lack of understanding on my part, Anonymous, about the need to teach the gospel.

            But to be successful in preaching the fullness of truth, I believe it is paramount to acknowledge the ‘why’ behind the reason so many ‘Catholics’ no longer know or practice the Faith.

            Why you seem to want to gloss over the hierarchy taking full responsibility for this is telling. But by bypassing the mea culpa the door is left wide open still to pretending that we need to continue the pursuit of ‘new’ and ‘different’ ways to pass on the Faith.

            When the answer is to merely admit that novelties were to blame and go back to the fullness of Truth that works.

          • Anonymous says:

            If you went to a Catholic Church, you would never had posted that. The breakdown is usually in the individual and in the family. The hierarchy and the parishes have worked very hard to offer education to adults. Not many takers. In recent years, false education such as that on the Internet, has also become a factor.
            I know you have a very biased and bigoted opinion of the Catholic Church and its hierarchy. You falsely accuse often.

          • Catherine says:

            “The hierarchy and the parishes have worked very hard to offer education to the adults.” = You mean Protestant Programs

            One local parish just announced that they will be suspending certain Catholic teaching programs while using the ALPA program instead. They are doing this because they see that Catholics are leaving. Many were not taught the faith and they have not passed it down to their children. This is why Pope Francis referred to Confirmation as the sacrament of farewell. Logic should tell truth seekers that Bishop Athanasius Schneider is correct to call out for clarity. continued….

          • Catherine says:


            How disloyal and illogical to look to Protestant based programs to revive the Fullness of Truth. This is as ill fated as asking Henry the 8th (after he broke away from the Church) to help implement a program that would bring in more numbers. If the Family Synod ambiguously goes Henry’s way then you might increase numbers while further decreasing solid Catholic Truth.

            Should the ALPHA course be used in a Catholic Context


          • Ann Malley says:

            You claim it to be a false accusation, Anonymous, because you are so long deprived of Catholic truth and Catholic practice that you’ll accept anything as a good effort. That is a shame.

            But God’s ways are not our ways. That is why the best effort is to teach the fullness of the Truth with as much consistency and charity as one can muster. Begin as you plan to go along.

            This deficiency wasn’t instigated over night and it won’t be fixed over night. But continued novelty and looking to that which is not the Faith to fix problems won’t work. Consistent, compassionate and thoroughly Catholic practice will.

          • Anonymous says:

            Catherine, the Bible and Catechism of the Catholic Church are Protestant now?

          • Let us know when you practice the Catholic faith and will talk.
            Plus stop sinning. You are breaking one of the 10 Commandments that you teach pupils are the greatest act of mercy by God.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous, God love you, but you are breaking the commandments by putting yourself in the place of God. You should stop. As to letting ‘you’ know, let yourself know that it is all right to allow God His Providence. He can be trusted.

          • Ann Malley, God bless you.

      • Anonymous says:

        I agree that you should not evangelize if you do not know the Faith very well.

        • Living Water says:

          @Anonymous: The “Bible” is neither Catholic nor Protestant. It is –the word of God. And the purpose of the ALPHA program is not to have anyone join *a* church, –it is to introduce people to Christianity who know little or next to nothing about Jesus. The first 2 weeks will have the largest attendance and then the disinterested drop off. From week three forward those attending have found the message compelling enough to stay to the end. Catholic parishes have found ALPHA to be positive program. If you have attended ALPHA, Nicky Gumbel is not telling anyone to sign up to be a Protestant or Catholic. It’s about Christ and His gospel. You need to get over yourself.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Here is another program for men:

  12. Anonymous says:

    In the confessional, and in their homilies, our priests here at my parish in Marin County ALWAYS help us dads strive toward holiness as solid husbands and good men.
    They address the problems of pornography, prayer, spedning quality time with your kids and your wife.
    I don’t know where YOU attend Mass, but my buds and I are very inspired by our two priests – who are both converts, by the way, and both about 50 years old!!

  13. If you have effeminate men on the altar and clipped haired mean faced women running the parishes , you will not find real men in the pews..Its as simple as that

    • Living Water says:

      @Canisius: Amen to that. Real men do not respect men who don’t act like men. And way too many women are running parishes behind the scenes because real men are not stepping up. A lot of clergy have abdicated their role as spiritual leaders and teachers to the congregation. Instead, we have homilies given by clergy who are more intent on presenting “feel good” homilies which are really disposal. Enough already of Priests who try and imitate David Letterman after the reading of the gospel.

      • Could not have said it better myself LW

      • Canisius, let’s say you are correct – real men won’t follow effeminate Priests. What does a Priest do that makes him effeminate? Does he behave differently? Not spend enough time in the gym? Not drive a Harley? Bow too low at the altar? Plays piano instead of drums? I have never seen an effeminate Priest in all my years of going to church, so please help to give us a clearer definition.

        • Here goes, Bob One: marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement

          Men are supposed to be men. That is they must lead by not shying away from that which is hard because it is hard. Like Christ saying, “Get behind me Satan,” when it was suggested that they just avoid Jerusalem. (Pretty harsh words. Especially considering they were said to St. Peter.)

          Too many religious, for whatever reason, seem to have their hands/tongues tied when it comes to speaking the hard truth, that is being manly in pronouncing it and perpetuating it. Life is hard. That is real. God’s laws are often hard for us to accept and to conform to, but we must. And that is why we need strength to lead the way, not that which seeks the compromised and/or…

          • easier road.

            That is why women need to cut out the, “I’m worried about his tone,” nonsense. If Junior is in preschool and he takes a tone with mommy, he should be corrected. Otherwise, for love of Heaven, let’s try to let men, when they behave as such, take the reigns and do what needs doing.

            Otherwise, women, you’ll never get a man to do diddly. He’ll always be on the look out for the tone police, or you didn’t smile when you said that, or “I” would have done it this way. That last typically ends up with you doing it your way because all the men will leave you to it. Your way, your problem, your loss.

        • Who normal men like me despise and in a more enlightened time they would be burned at the stake….I could also give you the example of the gay priest who harassed by nephew who was 17 at the time for a date. Of course when I entered the situation, the so called priest begged me not to damage him….I know liberals like you Bob One adore nuance, I prefer brutal clarity…every single gay/effeminate priest should be physically thrown out of the Church…I hope this helps…

          • ….thank you for doing what you did for your nephew.

            And for the record, I liked the ‘tone’ of what you had to say. Genuinely masculine!

  14. John Feeney says:

    The Catholic Church didn’t have this problem in 1959.

  15. david drewelow says:

    i ran into a priest a few years ago who explained to me what a liberation vatican ii was for him. he told me how formerly he would spends long hours hearing confessions, sometimes in hot summers(lamenting that people spent so much time confessing things that weren’t sins’ . he had now become fee to develop a ‘100 ministries’ church with a multimillion dollar building plan extending years into the future. It’s very much a matter of faith.

  16. There is a vast difference between men and women. Men are builders, fighters and supporters, women are nurturers and care givers. For many years now, the Church has been feminized, especially the liturgy and the hymns, and unfortunately many priests who are effeminate are pastors. This drives men away, just as Hillary Clinton does. Instead of Onward Christian Soldiers, we have Let’s Go Camp Fire Girls. The same is true in most Protestant churches as well.

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Herman, Onward Christian Soldiers is a Salvation Army hymn, not a catholic one. I have never heard it sung in a Catholic church. Nor in any Church that even has historical ties to the Roman Church (Lutheran and Episcopal and Orthodox).

      I doubt you ever have either, and I doubt you have ever met a man who left the Church because of “feminized liturgy and hymns”. If so, their faith was like the seed planted on rocky soil.

  17. david drewelow says:

    slips in last post ‘fee’ should have been ‘free’, ‘confessing things that weren’t sins’ should have been wrapped with missing quotation mark now supplied before ;;confessing;. i left it in understatement, without showing the impact on me of internally disagreeing with this common priestly complaint i have heard ad infinitum as priests would disrespect the individual conscience of a penitent and insist that they knew the conscience of the sinner better than the sinner. and thus eroding the meaning of the sacrament for many faithful who were made to feel foolish.

  18. Deacon Craig Anderson says:

    A few further comments after reading what others have written:
    There is clearly misunderstanding about the new evangelization. The term and concepts go back to St. John Paul’s teachings, not 40-50 years ago. While much could be said about it, such would be beyond the scope of a web comment.
    As one who has been involved in Catholic men’s ministry for many years, Dana is correct that there are some things only God can do in the lives of men, and women as well, for that matter. And, there are many Catholic men, including priests, who are sacrificing and fighting for their families, churches and nation. Do we need more? Of course. Ora et labor!
    Lastly, I know of no heretical doctrines inherently associated with the “hand jive…

  19. Linda Maria says:

    When I was a child, nearly every Catholic boy at some point, considered becoming a priest. The Priesthood was highly-respected! In that day, the roles of man and woman were natural, normal, well-respected, and well-loved! People maturely accepted traditional roles of man and woman, husband and wife, father and mother, (etc.) as the foundation of society, and the Church! People married early, or else joined the priesthood or convent — the pathway to a successful life, was very clear, for each vocation. Life was a serious matter– you matured quickly, took on responsibilities, and never acted foolish, irresponsible, or hedonistic– and never fell for ridiculous, “liberal” or “babyish” nonsense!

  20. Linda Maria says:

    Perhaps the roles of “manhood” and ‘womanhood” can be put into a nutshell, with the term: MATURITY. That is what has been missing, since the 1960’s! Most good American citizens, prior to the 1960’s– would never be caught dead– believing, supporting, or acting like immature, self-centered, babyish, immoral “liberal fools,” with no integrity, no decency! Screaming for babyish “rights,” never accepting the responsibilities and hardships of life! Never “paying their dues,” to society, to God, and to the Church! Never accepting the WORK ETHIC on EVERYTHING, from childhood! Refusing to live by Christian morals and manners, and good speech and dress! Such ignorant, immature, liberal garbage– is NOT for America!

    • Abeca Christian says:

      The roaring 20s presented itself a time where innocence was lost. I was just doing a study and wow, there was alot of sexuality growing even back then. Yea sure they didnt have the modern conveniences as we do now like the stupid facebook, internet and computers but i bet if they did the filth we have now, would of taken over alot sooner. Yes we still had common decency and good common sense but thats because life was more simple back then because of the lack of current modern conveniences.

      • Ann Malley says:

        …that was when Catholic Action would boycott bad movies. A censor board was created to put a lid on the over sexed films so that the youth wouldn’t be corrupted on a wholesale basis.

  21. Linda Maria says:

    Our country needs respect for traditional manhood, and traditional womanhood– these concepts are universal! When I was a child, a little girl wanted to grow up to be like her mother, and a little boy wanted to grow up to be like his father! We referred to God as our Heavenly Father, and Our Lady was Our Blessed Mother, in Heaven! A little girl was taught to imitate Our Lady, and a little boy would be taught to imitate Christ! Of course– people knew, that in real life, a human being is never an idealized picture, in a book! And only God is perfect! But we need those ideals, to guide us to full maturity– each in their own unique way!

  22. Linda Maria says:

    Long ago, I knew some homosexuals and lesbians, who were mature people, and looked and acted just like any other man or woman. No one could tell that they were “different.” They accepted their traditional roles in society, and in their churches. They never married, led chaste lives, were very busy with work and other endeavors, kept quiet about their “problem,” and were mature. They still considered themselves a man, or a woman– regardless of their abnormal feelings, inside! And these people led successful lives, dealt with their hardships, and even left money to churches, and to big charities, when they died!

  23. Maryanne Leonard says:

    The less priests do, the more Catholic women step up, and the less the men feel attracted to the Church, even though the Church is run virtually exclusively by men even today. Priests must address the needs of our Catholic men more fervently, as this is a job no nun or any other faithful Catholic woman can do for men. We need the salvation of our men taken seriously, both in terms of eternal salvation and their worldly salvation as well, for our men are in crisis these days, just as are our women. Deeper faith and greater human connection are desperately needed throughout Catholic America today as never before.

  24. Michael McDermott says:

    Catholic Priests’ Forgotten Flock: Catholic Men
    The New Emangelization Project has documented that a key driver of the collapse of Catholicism in the U. S. is a serious and growing Catholic “man-crisis.”…

    The growing losses of young Catholic men will have a devastating impact on the U.S. Catholic Church in the coming decades…

    While there are massive cultural forces outside of the Church (e.g., secularism, pluralism, anti-Christian bias, radical feminism, pornography, media saturation, etc.) and missteps within the Church (e.g., failure to make men a priority, sex abuse scandals, homosexuality in the priesthood, etc.) that have contributed to…

  25. Men are supposed to lead, while women are expected to follow. That is the way it is, like it or not. Calling me names, and saying I am against women does not change the facts or alter the reality. God planned it this way, and by looking at nature you see this is the correct way. When women cease being ladies, and imitate manly qualities, they become as wicked as sin. Look at the prisons: female inmates are worse then men. Without men in leadership positions, the void will be filled by women.

    • Anonymous says:

      Herman, you are right on target – for a member of the Taliban, for example.
      As for Christianity, you get at best a D- and should apply for a refund from any Catholic School you attended.
      As the Holy Mass says when a couple get married, “may he recognize that she is his EQUAL and an heir with him to the life of grace.”
      EQUAL – not a mere “follower.”

      • Ann Malley says:

        Anonymous, equal does not mean the same or the same job. And being second in command doesn’t imply ‘mere’ follower. Stop being so delicate. That in itself is a disservice to both men and women.

        There’s a natural order. Or would you have the world stop just because nobody wants to recognize that but have everyone on the planet competing for the same job.

        Good grief.

  26. Maryanne Leonard says:

    Herman, are you faulting women who not only remain faithful, practicing Catholics for filling the voids left by men who are not volunteering, and priests who have encouraged others to do the work they themselves once did? Are we all to be called names and suffer your insults for stepping up to fill these gaps? Would you prefer that women “follow” men and abandon the Church and all that it does for others? If we all stopped contributing, are you implying that men would suddenly feel motivated to become involved, faithful, practicing Catholics as they were in our grandfathers’ day? Is it once again our fault that men do not contribute as much as they once did and would do again if only we women would step away from the plate? Gosh,…

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Maryanne i agree. Hermans comments do add concerns. I think the way he expressed himself here is a little disturbing.

      • Ann Malley says:

        ….can’t have it both ways, Abeca. If you want strong men who will take up a leadership role, women need to back off and let them lead. To include sometimes stepping on our toes and not being as sensitive as ‘we’ would like them to be.

        It’s this exact kind of nonsense, “…the ‘way’ he expressed himself here is a little disturbing,” that makes men, the manly variety, wash their hands of the entire affair. Why? Because it’s petty and smothering.

        Goodness knows women do not take kindly to others telling them that their mode of expression is a little disturbing, etc. In fact, such comments often set off a viral spin into peripheral issues that have no bearing on anything save people’s fragile egos. And that, is why…

    • Ann Malley says:

      …Maryanne, it is not so much women’s fault, but rather the fault of the enabling behavior that, contrary to helping a man do his job, facilitates men becoming more and more like little boys who let mommy take care of everything. This also can ignite a get-out-of-the-way-you-inept-boob attitude in women who latch onto that role with gusto.

      Of course there are times, especially when children are involved that that is very necessary, but the reality of the dysfunction comes at a price. Often that price is men who are hard wired to let the woman do-it-all. Why? Because she can.

      • Ann Malley,

        Your Sept. 1, 2015 post is such an exceptional response! What a beautiful gift God has given you. Keep up the good work in striving to bring unity and Truth.

        • Ann Malley says:

          God has given me children, Catherine, children I’ve had to school at home and that itself lends tremendous insight. The urge to ‘do for’ as opposed to teaching them to ‘do for themselves and others’ is highly instructional.

          No wonder God in His Providence provided us with the school of the family. This experience has chiefly taught me. God willing we’ll all get back to these basic lessons and put them to proper use!

          God bless 🙂

  27. Anonymous says:

    New survey which compares church-going Catholics to non Church-going Catholics on practices and beliefs.
    I’d love to see one that has even more detail on what people believe.

  28. In a marriage, the man is the head of the house. That does not mean the wife is a slave, but that, even though they are both equal, the husband should have the last word. The New Testament mentions this fact several times.

    • Anonymous says:

      “…even though they are both equal, the husband should have the last word.”
      The Great Santini has nothing on you, Herman.

      • Ann Malley says:

        What is the Wow, Anonymous? The idea of what Herman proposes comes from Scripture. A Church that is modeled after the world and her values is not one that conforms to Christ, Her Spouse.

        • So does the idea that slaves are to be subservient to their masters come from Scripture. By the way, have you paid your gardner this month yet, at least so he can put his kids through college?

          • Ann Malley says:

            I am my gardener, Anonymous. And Christ is my master. So I am subservient in that regard. Your mention of college, however, seems completely out of context to the conversation….. then again, most of what you post, usually falls into that category.

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Where herman?

  29. Several priests I know have confided in me that the ‘nuns on the bus’ crowd are heavily involved in parish activities. In the 80, when many priests were giving up the tasks that were normally assigned to them, the void was filled by women. I recall one priest showed a film on the Rosary and the head of CCD complained that it was flawed because it showed angels with wings. That is a small point, but the radicals are now so involved that few priests are wiling to stand up to their evil ways. When men cease to be leaders, women will take over.

  30. To all SSPX haters (yes YFC and Abeca) read this and cringe: Thank you Rorate-Caeli

    From Pope Francis:

    “A final consideration concerns those faithful who for various reasons choose to attend churches officiated by priests of the Fraternity of St Pius X. This Jubilee Year of Mercy excludes no one. From various quarters, several Brother Bishops have told me of their good faith and sacramental practice, combined however with an uneasy situation from the pastoral standpoint. I trust that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity. In the meantime, motivated by the need to respond to the good of these faithful, through my own disposition, I establish that…

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Yes, Cansisus, our Pope Francis has established the indulgences for the Jubilee Year, which I note affect SSPX in a comment I made this morning in another post. For the duration of the Jubilee Year, he is giving faculties to hear confessions to SSPX affiliated priests. This is surely a sign that he is serious about bringing the Gospel of Mercy, the subject of the Jubilee Year, to everyone, including you and Ann Malley. I urge you to take advantage and cling frequently to the Sacrament during that year, and to draw closer to the Father, as we are all called to do.

      Side note: The Pope would not have had to extend faculties to SPPX priests if they didn’t lack them in the first place. This is why we should all pray for the unity of the…

      • Ann Malley says:

        Side note, YFC, the Holy Father has given ordinary jurisdiction, but that does not effect in the slightest the Societies reliance on the Church’s supplying now and in the future.

        Your admonition to draw closer to confession and to the Holy Father is something you should do. Perhaps this mercy extended to assuage your fears would allow you the opportunity to visit a Society priest and, in so doing, be challenged to give up your erroneous assertions regarding homosexual sexual activity that seem to have continued unabated despite your current illusion of being in ‘full communion.’

        God bless.

        • He did not give them jurisdiction or faculties. I guess this is a picky canon law point.
          but for the Year of Mercy, if anyone confesses to an SSPX priest, he will be able to absolve you of your sins.
          That is enough to know.

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          You are so hilarious Ann Malley You think the Pope gave faculties to SSPX in order to hear MY confessions? Really? Get a clue!

          • Ann Malley says:

            YFC, the Holy Father just put words to the state of necessity within the Church regarding the faithful.

            That said, it is entirely possible that the Pope did what he did so that you would have the grace of being told that certain activities are in fact gravely sinful.

            Really. Being kept in the dark or encouraged to continue bad behavior is no mercy, friend.

          • YFC I highly doubt that you ever go to confession….after all you honestly believe you are without sin…..

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          Ecclesia suplet does not apply to SSPX confessions outside of the Jubilee Year, as you keep allowing yourself and others to be mislead to believe. Rather, it is basically an admission that the Confessions and marriages are invalid.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Your understanding of ecclesia suplet is just as trustworthy as your understanding of conscience, YFC. So while you wax hither and yon with ‘rathas’, others will continue to allow the Church to supply for the salvation of souls in sound doctrine and trustworthy sacraments.

            The admission, you see, is that there is a need within the Church. And, YFC, your continued postings are nothing but a bright, neon illustration of ongoing crisis and failed catechesis. Again and again, you supply vivid example. Thank you!

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            If a penitent thinks he is walking into a Church, sees that confessions are being heard, makes a good confession but the priest lacks faculties, absolution is still granted because “ecclesia suplet”. That is different than if the priest and penitent both know he lacks faculties.

            If a priest is on an airplane that has to make an emergency landing in a foreign diocese, and a person on that plane, fearing for his life, asks the priest to hear his confession, ecclesia suplet.

            If a priest with faculties grants an aboslution or a performs a wedding, but forgets the formula and mixes up a few words, ecclesia suplet.

            There is no misunderstanding or emergency that would invoke ecclesia suplet in the case of SSPX confessions outside of…

          • WITW??????????????????

          • Ann Malley says:

            Again, YFC, thank you for expressing your understanding that there is no state of crisis within the Church. But again, your understanding of what constitutes ‘just cause’ is not binding. God bless.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Can. 1335 If a censure prohibits the celebration of sacraments or sacramentals or the placing of an act of governance, the prohibition is suspended whenever it is necessary to care for the faithful in danger of death. If a latae sententiae censure has not been declared, the prohibition is also suspended whenever a member of the faithful requests a sacrament or sacramental or an act of governance; a person is permitted to request this for any just cause.

        • Ann…Let me suggest that you might amend this post to read “Your admonition to draw closer to confession and to the Holy Father is something *we all* should do.”

      • “I urge you to take advantage and cling frequently to the Sacrament during that year, and to draw closer to the Father, as we are all called to do.” Not only are you a lying sodomite but you are sanctimonious as well.

      • YFC – the Pope has granted the SSPX the ability to hear Confessions for – one year only. This does not include marriage, etc.
        The following still stands until and unless the Pope changes it –
        “….. the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers ….. do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.”

        • Utter nonsense: there is obviously a tremendous amount of schizophrenia going on in the Vatican about the SSPX, no Pope would have granted this mercy to any group of priests if they were considered outside the Church or . do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.”

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            I think the Pope, as Benedict before him, bends over backwards to try to get SSPX to return to the fold. This came back to bite Benedict, who lifted the excommunicaiton of one SSPX Bishop and had to admit that had he so much as done an internet search on the man would have learned that not only should the excommunicaiton not be lifted, but he should have been censured even further because of his gross anti-semitism and holocaust denialism.

          • Only leftist like you think the lifting of the Excommunications were a problem, well too bad it happened… I am sure you believe groups like the Lesbian Coven of Wiccan Revolutionaries (LCWR) is firmly Catholic even though it has proven they preach anti-Catholic nonsense. They should have crushed for the leftist lesbians they are..Once the SSPX is back in the fold we can begin of ripping apart the liberal wing of the Church

          • Also YFC… I understand that offending Jews is major sin in the new Church so called Holocaust denial, it may make one a bad historian not a bad Catholic…. Notice Christian are hardly mentioned by leftist like you

        • Ann Malley says:

          ..sorry, Leigh, but absolving sinners is a big part of ministry. Stay tuned.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          Thats correct Leigh. You post truth. God bless you. In doing so informs the sinners and those who listen will gain graces. Many outside spin their own interpretation, which in turn produces more confusion and choas.

    • I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Fraternity of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins.”

      This is a very great mercy. Praise to Jesus Christ.
      Much relief to those of us so concerned about souls.

    • In this day and age, anybody who does not pat people on the head and tell them they are awesome (even when they are doing something wrong) is a hater.
      Young people these days expect a medal or trophy for simply showing up for work. They need constant affirmation and support (even if they are making mistakes.) They think they deserve promotions no matter what their job performance has been.
      So of course, someone is going to think that you are a hater if you don’t tell people they can go to whatever church they want and do whatever behavior they want, Even Oprah isn’t THAT affirming.

      • Uh no. Nobody calls you a hater for not patting someoby on the head, Miss paternalistic mum.

        If people call you a hater, maybe its because you….

      • Anon you do hate the SSPX its quite obvious not only you but YFC and the rest of the leftist..When SSPX is regularized they will help bring about the final destruction of the liberal wing of the Church….something I have been hoping for

        • No I do not hate the SSPX. They can be regularized any time they choose. I do not think they will choose that without a really compelling reason. They are used to having the freedom to do what they want. I do not like that they alter Church teaching to suit themselves.

          • Sorry have changed nothing… Rome Changed…deal with it and you do hate the SSPX along with rest of the leftist on this site

          • Ann Malley says:

            ….not the freedom to ‘do as they want’ at all, Anonymous. Rather the freedom to practice the Catholic Faith whole and entire without politically correct compromise. I find it odd that the practice of the Catholic Faith, whole and entire, is the only inculturation disallowed in modern theology.

          • Because it is NOT the practice of the Catholic Faith, whole and entire.

          • So what year in Catholic History do you consider to be an example of the True Faith?
            What made all the changes before that OK? Was the Church wrong before it made those changes?

          • Canisius, let me just say, I do NOT feel anything at all about the SSPX. It is what it is. I don’t like to see it made into something it is not. It does not deserve to be idealized or put on a pedestal or glamorized. It is not the Catholic Church as it was before Vatican II.

  31. This is a great mercy. I am so glad that the Pope did this. I always felt so sorry for those who attend SSPX chapels and counl not get absolution. During the year of Mercy they can. Yea!!!!!

    • Steve Phoenix says:

      I would think one would be more worried about one’s own full contrition of heart and state of one’s soul than snide comments about other people’s conditions of absolution and state of soul, contemptuous Anonymous.

  32. From what I have been told, many women are running the parishes. In several dioceses the bishop has appointed women to be pastors, and these females call a ‘sacramental minister’ to come in once a week to celebrate Mass. In other parishes, the women tell the priest which Eucharistic prayer to use etc. Too many priests today are wimps, while way too many females are manly. Ave Maria Purrissima !

    • Jesusita, many of these women have master’s degrees in theology and ministry. They are as well trained as many of the Priest, but not consecrated. The number of parishes that are without a Priest-Pastor is growing as the current Priests age and fewer new ones come through the seminary. Most men, in my experience, who want to serve become Deacons. Women can’t do that, so they stick to pastoral work.

      • Ann Malley says:

        ….Bob One, having a masters in theology is not having the grace of state to lead men. That said, one should look to what constitutes a ‘masters’ of theology these days. Not precisely Catholic teaching, friend. That too, is the problem. (One PhD female pastoral worker I know actively deconstructs Catholic doctrine and is currently heading the formation of RCIA instructors. Explains a lot, Bob One, about why it is that Catholics do not know and/or believe what the Church teaches.. to include the supernatural basis for it all. The woman actively teaches against the reality of original sin.)

        As to most men in your experience, the disconnect could be that your experience is heavily in the theology as a science instead of Faith as…

        • Ann Malley says:

          … supernatural and coming from God. That is why being consecrated is not the secondary factor it is all too often made out to be.

          Lest we forget, Bob One, all things are possible WITH God, not with a degree in theology.

  33. Maryanne Leonard says:

    Well, somebody’s got to get things done. If not priests, and if not men, and, you seem to be saying, not the women either, as to serve is to offend your sensibilities and to make woman appear manly to you, who then? Children? Won’t that make the children appear too “grown up” for your tastes? Why are you criticizing women for stepping up to the plate? Are you proposing that women sit back, or stay home, and allow the work to remain undone? Or that men contribute more?

    • Ann Malley says:

      MaryAnne, the notion of it ‘offending one’s sensibilities’ is absurd, but a very solid example of stereotypical female bristling whenever the issue of male leadership, or lack thereof, arises.

      As to letting things go undone. YES. In many instances, absolutely.

      Think of it this way, if your female sensibilities require that a room be cleaned daily, a man will let you go for it. Why? Because his sensitivity meter is set to cleaning once a week. So if you fill in for him, he’ll NEVER do the job because his sensibilities are never pinged. It’s like having Mom around who always manages to make everything happen behind the scenes as if by magic.

      Time for women to back off and let the men be men, to include FAILING so as…

    • “Are you proposing that women sit back, or stay home, and allow the work to remain undone? Or that men contribute more?”

      I am proposing that articulate women who *sometimes* sound very Catholic should not canonize men who lead others astray. You have showcased monumentally bad judgement in support for those who undermine Church teaching. Yes, for all of your gifts in articulating certain things, you are no friend to the fullness of truth. If you cannot fully defend the truth it would be better if you stayed home, baked cookies & organize your Birkenstock sandals. Chocolate chip cookies cannot be led astray.

      • Really, Does she have to be held hostage to something she wrote 4 or 5 years ago///
        She likes someone you judge as inferior. Wow, she might be something like a…what’s that religion where they are supposed to all love one another? You know, one of those Christians..
        She has to stay home and bake cookies because the world is not safe if she leaves her home.
        As for leading people astray, at least she doesn’t cooperate with the mortal sin of schis

        • Praising clergy who openly support same sex marriage is not stepping up to the plate. It undermines the faith. We should also care about the soul of any priest who publicly or privately promotes sin. We are now being held hostage, persecuted and jailed for NOT consistently stepping up to the plate. Catholic laity and Catholic Supreme Court Justices ignored God’s Laws. Your selective charity negates the sincerity of your words when it comes to loving one another. Please inform Pope Francis that you also think he is committing mortal sin for “cooperating” with the SSPX.

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Maryanne you bring up good points. Even in the 20’s women were always in the church. In years earlier, we’ve had men abandone their women and children.
      During St. Maria Ghorretti’s era, women faced powerty and abuse. Some of their men drank heavily or where at whore houses. Women still flooded the church for refuge.

      • Abeca writes,

        1. “In years earlier, we’ve had men abandon their women and children”
        2. ” During St. Maria Goretti’s era, women faced poverty and abuse,”
        3. ” Some of their men drank heavily or were at whore houses.” = Another prime example of men bashing.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          Says you! I place the blood of Jesus over these conversations and over their spiritually blinded eyes. Amen!

          • No, Abeca, you said it. Time to take ownership of what your words actually mean. You cannot castigate men and then expect them to play knight in shining armor.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Ann Malley were you aware that they redefined marraige? Just like you are trying here to what I actaully meant with. Catherine’s enabling. Pray for the veil be removed off of your eyes. Jesus protect us. Jesus and Mary Amen.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          …Catherine writes = enabler

          • Yes, I admit that when Catherine writes she does enable the truth to come out. Would that more people were as direct in calling our error and the foolhardiness of doublespeak that decries the need for men, but then chastises their ‘tone’.

            We need men, not babies or whipped puppies.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Ann Malley is dominated by evil spirits due to her disloyality to Christ Church. Its typical. We pray the blood ofJesus over their dissent and healing. Forgive them for they know not what they do. Its not personal. Its a sputual war. The spiritual attacks are geared towards personal attacks not differences in point of view. Its a good indication that its spiritual. Jesus have mercy. Our Lord gives us authority over church matters as long as we are faithful to His magesterium and His truth both through His holy word and through the faith.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Abeca, it is no demonic spirit that states that the Catholic Church is in need of men – not babies or whipped puppies. That may upset you, but that is just you being upset.

            Be well.

      • To all the single men….be happy and stay single…..

        • Abeca Christian says:

          And stay away from the porn.

          • Yep The real thing is much better

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Canisius single men and women are called to be chaste. Making love is for couples in a sacramental matrimony. A gift from God, a gift of intimacy. Being open to life. God blese you Canisius. Thanks for encouraging men to be men. Its refreshing to see or hear about men leading men, godly men. Men who fear the Lord and who honor God in all things. Who protect women and children from being volnerable. Have a blessed week.

          • Abeca I know what sex is for thank you very much…please I am grown man and I don’t need to have finger waved at me… I am done with this place….

  34. Bernadette says:

    YES, our priests must lead us to HEAVEN. And how do we get there? READ the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible: “And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me…

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