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Marian Sisters of Santa Rosa

The following comes from a Jan. 22 story by Jim Graves in Catholic World Report.

In Northern California, the Marian Sisters of Santa Rosa are preparing to receive their first three postulants on February 2. The new community of four perpetually professed sisters was established as an Association of the Faithful in 2012. Their charism includes intercessory prayer for the Diocese of Santa Rosa and the instruction of the faithful in the Catholic faith. They were welcomed into the diocese by the newly appointed bishop, Robert Vasa, in 2011.

The Church in Santa Rosa has suffered much in past decades due to financial and sexual scandals, and vocations to the priesthood and religious life experienced a period of stark decline. However, this diocese of 140,000 Catholics has been experiencing a slow turnaround in recent years. The establishment of the Marian Sisters of Santa Rosa has been a part of that, and the community’s superior, Mother Teresa Christe, hopes to see her small order grow and make a significant contribution to the spiritual revival of the diocese. She recently spoke with Jim Graves for Catholic World Report.

CWR: How did you decide to become a nun?

Mother Teresa Christe: The Lord took me by surprise!

I grew up in a large family in Los Angeles.  I had seven brothers and two sisters.  My mother was a devout Catholic.

I felt directed toward the married state.  I had a life full of activity; we owned horses, I liked ice skating.  As a teenager, I dreamed of getting married and moving away from the big city to Montana, where I’d have 10 horses and 10 children.

Although I had read about women religious, I had never met one.  It was a dormant period in religious life when I grew up; if I did see a sister, I did not recognize her because she did not wear anything to indicate her vocation.

In the 8th grade, my parents sent me to a Catholic boarding school in northern Idaho.  It was there that I first encountered sisters in full habit.  I was scared to death when I arrived, because I thought the nuns would be hard and strict.  But, they were the most kind, warm and sensitive people I’d ever met.  I was happy there.  I learned to live in the state of grace and have fun.

My respect for religious life grew, but I didn’t feel the call.  At 17, I got my first job, and began making my own money.  When I went to Mass, I thought I’d be happy because for the first time I could put money into the collection basket that I’d earned myself.

But, when the basket came around, I had an unusual and dramatic experience.  I pulled the money out of my pocket, looking at it, then the crucifix.  I felt a profound sadness.  I said to Our Lord, “You gave me your whole self, and all I can give you is a few dollars.”

I had the sense that I wanted to put my whole self into the basket.  I knew God wanted more from me….

CWR: You became a sister with the Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (Congregatio Mariae Reginae Immaculate), a group that identifies itself as Catholic but is not in union with the Holy Father.  You were one of about 50 sisters at Mount St. Michael in Spokane, Washington. You later returned with 14 other sisters to full communion with Rome. How did you make this decision?

Mother Teresa Christe: Conversion comes in many layers.  In the traditional community I entered, we never thought of ourselves as out of full communion with the Church. But the grace I received in baptism acted as a homing device that called me to full communion.

I loved my life in the traditional community.  But, it was the saint for whom I’m named, St. Teresa of Avila, who said, “In the end, I die a daughter of the Church.”  I realized that to have the fullness of the Catholic faith, I need to be in union with Rome.  We have to trust Our Lord; where Peter is there is the Church.

My former community believes that due to confusion and heresy, the popes after John XXIII lost their authority.  It’s really a hopeless outlook….

CWR: How were the Marian Sisters of Santa Rosa founded?

Mother Teresa Christe: When the 15 of us left the CMRI community, the Diocese of Spokane, first under Bishop William Skylstad and then Bishop Blase Cupich, set us up in a temporary situation by incorporating us as the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church…. Father Thomas Nelson of St. Michael’s Abbey in Southern California suggested Bishop Vasa, who was on his way to Santa Rosa. Since I had met Bishop Vasa and we had an incredible connection, we sent him our packet. We received a response from him immediately. He agreed to give our new community a try.

I moved with another sister to Santa Rosa in 2011. Two other sisters from a Marian community in Connecticut joined us.

CWR: How is it working with Bishop Vasa?

Mother Teresa Christe: I love working with him; you know exactly where he stands.

Bishop Vasa has been placed in a region of the country that is very liberal.  Many here are sensitive to being politically correct; Bishop Vasa comes in and says, “The Ten Commandments say this.” He has been a faithful, straightforward bishop in an area where he’s learned you have to apply the truth gently. He won’t compromise, but I think he’s recognizing areas where he’s come on too strong.

CWR: What is your apostolate?

Mother Teresa Christe: I work at the diocese’s Cardinal Newman High School where I teach two theology classes. They were the idea of the bishop.

Newman High is a good college prep high school with a good sports program, and we attract many students, both Catholic and non-Catholic. It’s in an affluent area, where many people can afford a private education. However, practicing Catholics only make up about 20 percent of our classroom population. Many of our students don’t know what the word “Eucharist” means.

My theology classes are a kind of “AP religion” for students who want a more challenging education in the Catholic faith. There was some resistance from the administration, who initially argued that we’re saying the Catholic kids are better than the non-Catholic kids, and that they valued diversity.

But my classes have gone well, and haven’t caused division among the students. We started with a freshman class, and now we’ve added a sophomore class.

Our other sisters are involved in works of Catholic education as well. One runs the confirmation program and teaches religion classes at the cathedral school. Another works in the chancery assisting the superintendent of Catholic schools. Our goal is to teach people the Catholic faith, emphasizing its beauty and goodness…

CWR: What will a typical schedule for your postulants include?

Mother Teresa Christe: They will rise early, and begin with an hour of Eucharistic adoration.  They will especially pray for the priests of the diocese.  They will chant the divine office, and then say Marian consecration prayers.  They will share breakfast together while listening to spiritual reading.  They will then go about their daily duties, coming together later to say the Rosary, make an examination of conscience, and recite the Angelus at noon.

There will be afternoon recreation, other prayers throughout the day and a common dinner.  One of the sisters formed in religious life will lead them.  Ours is a structured religious life, which works for four or 400 sisters.  Our vision is to faithfully and lovingly live our lives.

CWR: Where do you live?

Mother Teresa Christe: We live in a house vacated by the bishop.  He said it was too big for him, so he gave it to us.  It has a chapel.  But since we’re growing, we’re making arrangements to move into what was once a convent for the cathedral.  It’s being renovated for us….

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  1. God bless you Mother Teresa Christe. May God in His abundant kindness bless your small community with many holy vocations for the good of His Church. Welcome Back!

  2. Abeca Christian says:

    Now this is a person who is not tainted by slanderous unnecessary information. Her heart is pure and chaste for our Lord. God bless her. She is an inspiration, a lovely soul!

    I am with this same believe and remain chaste in my mind and heart too:

    “I loved my life in the traditional community. But, it was the saint for whom I’m named, St. Teresa of Avila, who said, “In the end, I die a daughter of the Church.” I realized that to have the fullness of the Catholic faith, I need to be in union with Rome. We have to trust Our Lord; where Peter is there is the Church.” …………………………..God bless her beautiful innocence.

    • Ann Malley says:

      And God bless her, Abeca. Mother Teresa Christe is not tainted by slanderous unnecessary information unlike others you are trying hard not to mention.

      God bless you for your honesty. Finally.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Ann you need to go to confession…

        Your finality of finally is again what your heart holds….must be horrible to see hostility where there is non….it is this flaw in you that stops you from hearing our Lord calling to you…to be in full communion with him. With your attitude I can see why the SSPX has not been open to rejoining, I feel for our Pope or any other Pope, for they have to deal with unreasonable people who refuse to be in full communion. Keep exposing your “true colors”

        It just keeps proving my point. You bless me but how can it be a blessing when your heart is filled with malice thoughts. There is no charity in your responses.

        • Anonymous says:

          A reminder: SSPX and other independent priests do not have faculties to absolve sins in Confession. One must go to a priest that has faculties from the local ordinary.

        • Ann Malley says:

          ‘Hostility where there is none?” Abeca.

          How can you say that to yourself – forget CCD – after having used nearly the exact words ‘tainted by slanderous unnecessary information’ to impugn my honest attempts to answer the questions you yourself pressed me for on another thread. In all honesty, how can you?

          You knew the reaction you would get and you wanted it. So be it.

          You say, “keep exposing your “true colors”,” tossing back my words to you. But I have been very forthright about my colors where as you have not. At least not with me. Hence the sudden switch in your position with both myself and others.

          As to blessing you, I do because you need it and so do I. My mind is not ‘filled with malice thoughts’ but with an honest desire to adhere to the Truth. You do not see that because you do not agree with my position. And that is okay, as I have said countless times.

          But you may want to think about your being the accessory to sin if you believe me guilty. You are the one who kept asking me questions. You are also the one who hid your heart while using what you admit to be ‘reverse psychology,’ on me. That is goading, Abeca.

          As for Pope Francis, yes, he has a mess to deal with as so many hearts are hard and cold and filled with themselves. But a good place to start might be being honest and forthright about all manner of what folks like you would deign ‘unnecessary and slanderous information.’ It’s called Truth.

          God bless

        • Abeca, while I am no fan nor supporter of the SSPX, I really think that you are treading on dangerous territory. Please meditate on the following verses:

          “If you are angry, let it be without sin. The sun must not go down on your wrath: do not give the devil a chance to work on you.” Ephesians 4: 26-27

          I believe that you, yourself have mentioned that you, at one time, were not as fervent in your practice of the faith as you are today. Was not the Lord patient with you? If someone had spoken to you, during the times when you did not put as much emphases on discovering the truth, as you are now speaking to Ann, would you have been attracted to the truth? Having zeal for the faith does not give one an excuse to be uncharitable. Yes, two of the Spiritual Works of mercy are “Admonish the Sinner” and “Instruct the ignorant”. But two others are “Bear wrongs patiently” and “Forgive all injuries”. It takes wisdom to understand how to properly practice all four of these Spiritual Works.

          • Ann Malley says:

            God bless you, Tracy, for trying to help. That said, I appreciate your benefit of the doubt with regard to my searching and your kind forbearance. But Abeca has come to know that I have searched, and learned, and that it is by way of a rather protracted and fervent practice of the Faith that has led me to attend mass where I must. (And no, I’m not Sedevecantist)

            She just does not agree with me and that is okay. You don’t either and that is fine, too. Abeca, however, seems to take my position as a personal rejection. Likely she has been praying diligently for my ‘conversion’ and now assumes that it is pride instead of Faith that leads me. She cannot seem to reconcile it to anything but because I do not agree with her. And that is okay too.

            But please, don’t bother running any interference in this regard or intimate that I’m ignorant of what I’m doing – you’ll just get her more upset because she knows full well that I’m not.

            Thanks again and see you ’round CCD :)

          • Ann, on the contrary, I do not think that you are ignorant of what you are doing. In addition, I would agree with you that Abeca may be taking your position as a personal rejection or more likely a threat to her faith. I only inserted myself into the discussion, because, this is a public forum.

            The reason why I believe you and I get along despite any differences of opinion is because we are only here to illuminate the truth, as each of us, to the best of our ability, with our individual fallen natures, is able to do so. That being said, at the end of the day, I think we both understand very clearly who the Savior IS!

          • Ann Malley says:

            Thanks, Tracy. God bless :)

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Tracy I am not angry. I’m sorry that you were fooled into assuming ill. I’ve been commenting here for several years now, look back in the archives and refresh your memory of where I stand on things. : )

        • Gordon Campbell says:

          As a Lurker and observer of posts particularly yours Abeca-I think you should remove the log from your eye.You constantly fight with others and Judge their Faith which is God’s purview only.I think YOU should go to confession and get a Spiritual Advisor because I see an unpleasant Pharaisical streak in you.

          When people complain that someone is acting “holier than thou,” they mean that the person is acting in a way that is obnoxiously pious or sanctimonious. But could it also be true that people can act obnoxiously while professing their lack of piety? Could they be behaving inappropriately by rubbing the noses of the religious in their mistakes, and refusing to take responsibility for their own actions?

          You do have a choice. You have a choice how you will react to what someone else is doing. You can choose to react in a way that mourns whatever offense has been committed yet leaves your spiritual peace intact. Or you may choose to react in a way that poisons your spiritual life and robs of you of the peace God wants you to have. But it’s still your choice.

          You can’t control what another person is going to do. But you can control how you choose to react.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Thank you Gordon….but I bet you are also not in full communion with the church, why else would you be attacking my person? OR perhaps you have not read in detail why it came to this. I use to defend countless of times Mr. Fisher on this issue, so it is not how Ann made this turn out, she left me no other choice. I do not care what you and others have to say to the matter, because I have nothing to proof to anyone here. I am faithful and will always be to Jesus and His church! I bet you have not read the whole other threads leading into this discussion with Ann. So you are judging unwise because this thing Ann dragged.

            Now on your other complaint….does not matter….most of the time, I only jumped in to back up people whom I thought were church militants. I thought they were defending the faith, so I jumped in to back them up and many times I felt the need to defend even their good name, because I thought I knew them well. My mistake that is for sure. Now if you are judging because I do not tolerate the condoning of sin publicized, even the condoning of making excuses as to why not to unite with Rome, then its your prerogative sir.
            PAX CHRISTI

    • Kenneth Fisher says:


      Would you have been in full Communion with Pope Liberius when he was in heresy? Would you have been in full communion with Pope Honorius who was also in heresy?.

      Those of us who attend Independent Chapels see more obedience to the Holy See and to, what is even more important, to Our Lord and His Mother than we we see in most of the chanceries of today!

      Have you looked at the list of speakers apparently approved by the approved Archbishop and Bishops for the 2014 upcoming REC. You can find it at Once you look at it, contact me and I will give you a real description of many of the speakers such as Fr. Richard Radcliff who is very sodomite friendly and he isn’t the only one!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

      • We must be in full communion with the Pope when he declares a statement on Faith or Morals only to be a Doctrine of the Faith.

        This is why the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” is so important – from the Magisterium – for accuracy rather than anyone’s personal opinions. It was promulgated through an Apostolic Constitution called “Fidei Depositum” and an Apostolic Letter.

        We must adhere to the CCC in entirety – not picking and choosing.

        QUOTE: “….the CATECHISM has raised throughout the world, even among non-Christians, and confirms its purpose of being presented as a full, complete exposition of Catholic doctrine, enabling everyone to know what the Church professes, celebrates, lives, and prays in her daily life.” UNQUOTE
        – Pope John Paul II (CCC pg xiv)

      • Ann Malley says:

        God bless you, Kenneth, not only for speaking up on CCD, but for seeking true faithfulness to Our Blessed Lord and honor for Holy Mother Church.

      • Anonymous says:

        “I deny that any Pope was ever a heretic, have researched each case where that is claimed, and will be glad to answer and refute any claim that any Pope ever committed himself or called upon the faithful to hold any heretical belief.”
        This was written by Warren H. Carroll, the leading conservative and orthodox Catholic historian and founder of Christendom College.

        • Kenneth Fisher says:

          Cowardly Annonymous,

          I wonder just how much research you really did!

          All one has to do is to realize that Pope Liberius was for a time an Arian. Thank God, he repented before his death. He also invalidly excommunicated the Bishop of Alexandria, who is now known as St. Athanasius the Great, Doctor of the Church. Liberius’s successor declared Liberius to have been a heretic.

          As for Honorious:
          More than forty years after his death, Honorius was anathematized by name along with the Monothelites by the Third Council of Constantinople (First Trullan) in 680. The anathema read, after mentioning the chief Monothelites, “and with them Honorius, who was Prelate of Rome, as having followed them in all things”.

          Pope Honorius I mosaic
          Furthermore, the Acts of the Thirteenth Session of the Council state, “And with these we define that there shall be expelled from the holy Church of God and anathematized Honorius who was some time Pope of Old Rome, because of what we found written by him to [Patriarch] Sergius, that in all respects he followed his view and confirmed his impious doctrines.” The Sixteenth Session adds: “To Theodore of Pharan, the heretic, anathema! To Sergius, the heretic, anathema! To Cyrus, the heretic, anathema! To Honorius, the heretic, anathema! To Pyrrhus, the heretic, anathema!”

          • Anonymous says:

            It was Warren H Carroll who did the research. He has a 5 volume history of the Catholic Church. This quote of his was from EWTN. I would not have access to the things necessary to do the research. Warren H. Carroll says on this:
            Liberius was Pope at the height of the Arian heresy, when at one point all the bishops in the Roman world who were allowed to function as such by the Emperor Constantius had been compelled to condemn St. Athanasius, who was upholding the orthodox faith almost alone except for the common people. Liberius was imprisoned, certainly ill-treated, probably tortured. He agreed to condemn Athansius — unjustly, as he later admitted. (Popes are not infallible in individual disciplinary decisions.) He agreed to sign an ambiguous confession of faith, the Third Formulary of Sirmium, which was capable of an Arian interpretation subordinating the Son to the Father — yet he added to the document, even from his prison, anathema on all who said “the Son is not like the Father in substance and in all things.” And he steadfastly refused to sign the Second Formulary of Sirmium, an undoubtedly heretical document proclaiming that “the Father is greater than the Son.” Though many people at the time had the impression that Pope Liberius had endorsed Arianism, the documents show that he never did.

          • Anonymous says:

            A similar situation arose in the pontificate of Honorius I. The Emperor Heraclius at Constantinople gave his support to a Christology intended as a compromise with the Monophysite heretics who denied Christ’s human nature, which in fact was a heresy itself — Monothelitism, the doctrine that Christ has two natures but only one will, which is divine rather than human. (A man without a human will is not a man.) Patriarch Sergius of Constantinople accepted the new heresy and wrote to Pope Honorius I explaining Monothelite teachings in a carefully expurgated and toned-down manner, and asked the Pope’s opinion. Honor ius replied that he thought it would be vain to dispute the issue as Sergius had explained it, and refused to give an opinion. Sergius then distributed the Pope’s letter all over the East as proof that Mono thelitism was not heretical, though actually the letter said nothing of the kind. No real difficulty regarding papal infallibility would ever have arisen from this — since obviously teaching heresy and refusing to denounce a heresy at a particular time are wholly different things — were it not for the fact that the Third Ecumenical Council of Constantinople, which condemned the Monothelite heresy in 681, forty-three years after Pope Honorius I died, also condemned him as a heretic because of his letter to Sergius. However even the decrees of an ecumenical council are not binding on the whole Church unless and until, and to the extent that, they are confirmed by the Pope. Pope St. Leo II (681-683) did confirm the acts of the council, but he also noted explicitly that Pope Honorius was being condemned for tardiness and negligence in not denouncing the Monothelite heresy sooner. Pope St. Leo II said nothing to indicate that he believed Pope Honorius had taught heresy or that he had assented to any condemnation of him for that reason.
            These elaborations are from

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous writes: “Pope St. Leo II (681-683) did confirm the acts of the council, but he also noted explicitly that Pope Honorius was being condemned for tardiness and negligence in not denouncing the Monothelite heresy sooner. Pope St. Leo II said nothing to indicate that he believed Pope Honorius had taught heresy or that he had assented to any condemnation of him for that reason.”

            That’s great that Pope Honorius was CONDEMNED for tardiness and negligence in denouncing heresy. You have outlined precisely the problem, Anonymous. That of tardiness and negligence in our own Church hierarchy not outright condemning the modernist heresies beating Mother Church to a bloody pulp.

            The Church holds the Truth, in other words, but if Her leaders neglect their duty and/or do not speak clearly according to those truths, they will be condemned in future.

            So while you cling to the protection of a negligent hierarchy – and using sophistry to cloak error, you’ll have to excuse those who are not negligent with regard to their own souls and those of the children from calling a spade a spade when it knocks them upside the head.

            Otherwise all you are protecting is the office of the Papacy and a particular Pope while neglecting that which the Papacy is called to protect, defend, and transmit to souls for salvation.

            What say you of the countless souls led to Hell by the Pope’s negligence, Anonymous? For if negligence and tardiness is a condemnatory offense, it must be being condemned as THESE ACTS LEAD SOULS TO HELL.

            God bless you for your post.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous also writes:

            “Liberius was Pope at the height of the Arian heresy, when at one point all the bishops in the Roman world who were allowed to function as such by the Emperor Constantius had been compelled to condemn St. Athanasius, who was upholding the orthodox faith almost alone except for the common people. Liberius was imprisoned, certainly ill-treated, probably tortured. He agreed to condemn Athansius — unjustly, as he later admitted. (Popes are not infallible in individual disciplinary decisions.)”

            You have said it again, Anonymous. But the only difference between then and now with regard to upholding ‘ORTHODOXY’ is that people have been conditioned to not believe that anything so grave could happen in THEIR lifetime. Much like folks don’t believe themselves to be potential victims for natural disaster until it happens.

            Well, the modernist heresy is happening, Anonymous. All around us. Modernism that has been condemned by previous Popes. Syncretism. Indifferentism. Relativism. Orthodoxy is being held by a few. But you would condemn those few back then just as you do now by blindly believing our times impervious to error even while looking back and reading about the grievous error and injustice in history.

            That’s why the study of history and the understanding of it is PARAMOUNT. Otherwise it repeats itself. And it does, again and again because folks always convince themselves that bad things happen to a mysterious OTHER people.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous also writes:

            “…He agreed to sign an AMBIGUOUS confession of faith, the Third Formulary of Sirmium, which was CAPABLE OF AN ARIAN INTERPRETATION subordinating the Son to the Father — yet he added to the document, even from his prison, anathema on all who said “the Son is not like the Father in substance and in all things.” And he steadfastly refused to sign the Second Formulary of Sirmium, an undoubtedly heretical document proclaiming that “the Father is greater than the Son.” Though many people at the time had the impression that Pope Liberius had endorsed Arianism, the documents show that he never did.”

            God love you, Anonymous, for it is precisely the ambiguous texts of VII, those that must be interpreted in the hermeneutic of continuity (having to interpret something indicates very clearly that it is not CLEAR) that are the problem today.

            Yes, Pope Paul VI signed off on them, BUT he issued Humane Vitae. Good for Paul VI, but a wee bit late considering the smoke of Ambiguous was already seeded into that which the Faithful would receive for the next 50 years.

            The SSPX will not sign on to ignore this grave lack of clarity which mirror the technique used by the Arians.

            Why? Because the notion of religious liberty has given way to the interpretation that one has a right to worship God as he wills, that is that people have the right to worship God via the golden calf method if they so choose.

            The more you research and write, the more I love your posts, Anonymous. Thank you.

      • Ann Malley says:


        Would it be possible for you to get an actual article posted here on CCD regarding the REC? If so, that would be great as I’m sure it would be well written, exhaustively documented, and irrefutable so as not to be ‘confused’ with slander.

        Not that you would ever please, Anonymous, but that doesn’t matter as at least one of the ‘legion’ believes himself/herself to be receiving locutions regarding CCD posters.

        God bless.

        • Kenneth Fisher says:


          I have posted plenty here on the REC!

          All one need do is go to to see more.

          Fr. Richard Radcliff, who urged all in attendance at a past REC to go see the “R” rated movie “Brokeback Mountain” is just one of the bad guys this year, there are plenty more.

          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher

          • Ann Malley says:

            Thanks, Kenneth. I’ll visit Your mention of Chokeback Mountain gives me a very clear idea of what I’ll find.

            God bless!

    • Abeca, I think a simple quiz will shed a lot of light on this:
      How old were your children when you had them baptized?
      How many men have you had sex with in your whole lifetime?
      How many Sunday Masses have you missed?
      How many baby daddy’s do you have?
      How many abortions have you had?

      • Anon .. What a strange personal question. Even in confession we don’t get “interrogated” by the priest and you are no priest and CCD isn’t a on-line reconciliation room. Just to keep you happy however I’ll answer for my self.

        1 How old were your children when you had them baptized?
        A: No Children. If my girlfriend had survived AND if we’d had children I expect we’ have had it done in a month or so.

        How many men have you had sex with in your whole lifetime?
        A: None. Google “Gold Star Lesbian” for details.

        How many Sunday Masses have you missed?

        A: Wayyy to many. Always have to confess that one. I use business as an excuse too much.

        How many baby daddy’s do you have?

        A: Since I’m the so-called baby of the family, I guess two. Dad and my Heavenly Father.

        How many abortions have you had?:

        –A: None, in the past or in the future. May I presume you haven’t either?

        Now, please stop harassing Abeca!

        • I’m not harassing Abeca. My point was that Abeca has lived a moral life and is faithful to the Church.
          Apologies to all-it was a poor attempt to support someone.

        • A baby daddy is the father of your kids. It is usually used when someone is not married to the father or if you have kids by someone who is not your current husband.

        • C&H, I hope you are not working on Sunday. Please keep holy the Lord’s day. It is a very important Commandment. People do not realize how much God is offended by the profaning of the Lord’s Day. When I was praying for rain for California, it was placed on my heart that the priests and the bishops need to preach the 10 Commandments. Many people violate them without thinking. And thanks to God for answering our prayers for rain.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            By the Lord’s day, did you mean Saturday?

          • Sunday. You are thinking of the Sabbath.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            So Moses got it wrong?

          • No. Moses got it right. The Sabbath was the 7th day on which God rested after all his work of creation and so man too rests on the 7th day. “God blessed the 7th Day and made it Holy.” Gen 2:3
            “The Sabbath precept, which in the first Covenant prepares for the Sunday of the new and eternal Covenant, is therefore rooted in the depths of God’s plan. This is why, unlike many other precepts, it is set not within the context of strictly cultic stipulations but within the Decalogue, the “ten words” which represent the very pillars of the moral life inscribed on the human heart. In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the Church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a defining and indelible expression of our relationship with God, announced and expounded by biblical revelation. This is the perspective within which Christians need to rediscover this precept today. Although the precept may merge naturally with the human need for rest, it is faith alone which gives access to its deeper meaning and ensures that it will not become banal and trivialized.” Blessed John Paul II Dies Domini

        • My condolences on the loss of your girlfriend. Prayers and sympathy.

  3. Abeca Christian says:

    Douay-Rheims Bible Matthew 19:14
    But Jesus said to them: Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me: for the kingdom of heaven is for such.

    Douay-Rheims Bible Mark 10:15
    Amen I say to you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, shall not enter into it.

    We are to approach our Lord as little children, now tell me, if you give too much information to a child, fill them up with what resentful things people have about the church, if you fill them up with information that can scandalize their chaste hearts, then how are we helping them remain little children in God’s eye’s?

    We are too busy gathering unnecessary information, information that does us no good to nurture our soul. St, Jerome was warned about reading unnecessary books and look how his obedience helped him with what we have today as the Douay-Rheims Bible.

    God bless Mother Teresa Christe. I feel very blessed to have learned about her today, may her goodness inspire many more today!

    • Ann Malley says:

      God bless you in your insistence about avoiding unnecessary information, Abeca. I wonder how St. John of the Cross felt when his superiors forbid him to say mass and locked him up in closet because they didn’t want to reform.

      It was Our Lady who showed him the way to escape, you know. That is escape his lawful superiors. So he could go aide St. Theresa of Avila in reforming those who would otherwise lock them away to shut them up.

      I pray these good sisters do not find themselves similarly locked away once the newsworthy image of their glorious reunion has lost it’s marketing value.

      God bless you.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Ann you are not in full communion with the church…you leave me no other choice but to admonish you and to remind you that it is because of that reason, that your comments to me here are disruptive and it shows your hatred/hostility towards my church.

        Let this be a warning to those in full communion, don’t fill yourself with unnecessary information that will cause you confusion enough to break your communion with mother church. This is very typical thinking of what I experienced coming from the SSPX. There is double standard and they are your friends as long as you vent about the issues within our church but if you point out their flaws, they will hunt you down, its their pride and refusal to be in full communion with Rome that is causing this division.

        well anyhoo… message above was to uplift many to remain faithful in our church and to not allow those who have disconnected themselves to persuade you with unnecessary conclusions! Well I still stand by my comments and not of Ann’s faulty addition of it. Satin loves to distract and to cause more confusion and I’m gathering from Ann’s persistence to come after me, she is being used by him. That is why I advised her to go to confession.

        This attitude of rigidness and uncharitably from Ann is exactly what I have experienced from many in the SSPX members. They turn a good message into something malice, destroying the gifts from God by their poisonous mentality!

        • Ann Malley says:

          If anybody points out your flaws, Abeca, you get mad as a wet hen. It has nothing to do with the flaws in the Church – SSPX or NO. I’ve always been up front about my support of the SSPX. You haven’t been up front, however, much like many in the NO I’ve had to endure….. priests included.

          I’m glad you are now operating toward the salvation of my soul. I wish you had done as much from the beginning. That would have been true charity. But you didn’t as I was too helpful in aiding your arguments against others you considered a higher priority as your agenda is homosexuality.

          Thanks for putting me at the bottom of your salvation list, Abeca, and using me by way of false flattery. That said, it isn’t charitable to put on a false front of holy indignation when that which is inconsistent is pointed out to a person. But that is your issue and that of those entrusted with guarding Holy Mother Church.

          That said, you never advised me to go to confession. I usually go weekly when I can. That said, you may want to go yourself for having laid bait to ensure that I would ‘hunt you down.’ I hope this new showdown is settling whatever doubts I may have stirred up in your heart. You have proved your loyalty to yourself. GREAT!

          But please stop playing the innocent victim as it takes two, Abeca, at the very minimum. For you have said nothing regarding your obvious persistence, saving putting yourself on a pedestal for your supposedly righteous admonishments.

          God bless.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Correction to Abeca:

            Please forgive my having missed your holy admonishment to go to Confession. I just now read your previous post. Good grief, Abeca, I have lost all respect for your way of doing business.

            God bless.

          • Ann Malley sounds like a scorned woman against the Church. Always having to put in her last word too. Don’t be fooled by her disloyalty. She is no friend.

            Ken Fisher with friends like you, who needs enemies.

          • Abeca is a holy woman. Abeca stay clear. Do not be tempted to respond to this she devil. My advice to you Abeca is to have friends like this Marian Sister. Some of the regulars here preach to be church militants but which church are they speaking of? I was watching these threads for the last few months and nothing was more disturbing and backwards then what I read from this Ann woman against you. I don’t like to comment but with this particular thread I felt the need. Just consider me as someone passing by and not returning.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Charles A – You are wrong. I am a SKIRTED She-Devil. One must abide by the letter when making proper condemnation. I’m glad you felt compelled to comment, however, as you have just made my day by your intuitive commentary. But no, I would imagine you usually keep yourself limited to secret reading of otherwise juicy threads.

            Such blessed hypocrisy.

            God bless :)

          • Ann Malley says:

            Well, Charles A, you know what they say about scorned women. I might take a cue from YFC and say you’re a ‘femaphobe’? Not sure what to call one who is afraid of women….

            God bless.

          • Nah not afraid of women, I value Abeca’s faithfulness. Which is not what I can say about you. I am married and have 4 daughters.

          • Ann Malley says:

            With 4 girls I can see why you’d value feminine faithfulness that looks the other way when root causing a problem. It comes in handy, especially from a male perspective. God’s blessings on keeping all your young ladies from identifying issues as they grow. That is the girls and the issues that, if not identified and rooted out, will only get bigger.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            AM I believe the word you are searching for is misogyny, rendered as a noun as mysogynist.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Thank you, YFC. That is the word!

  4. When Seminaries and Convents do NOT require their students to study the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” as one of their required texts – they will not know, nor can they pass on the Doctrine of the Faith in entirety.
    If they had studied the CCC they would have known they were not in communion with the Church.
    It’s such a shame that Bishops and others neglect passing on this great gift from the Magisterium. It could solve many issues within the Church.

    God bless these Sisters. Welcome back.
    Please encourage all Catholics to read the Bible (especially the New Testament), and the CCC.

    • There will be no UNITY within the Church until all literate Catholics have read the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”.

      • ANNE, in my humble opinion, even if ALL lay Catholics were illiterate, there would be unity if ALL clergy and religious were unified under the teaching authority of the Pope. We have so much division these days because of too many renegade Bishops and priests teaching false doctrine.

        • Ann Malley says:

          Excellent point, Tracy, and another reason why the push for collegiality is misguided. Giving doctrinal authority to Bishop’s councils or even hinting at doing as much in practice under the guise of ‘trusting one another to know what to do/teach’ is an abnegation of lawful authority and duty.

          IOW: The Pope IS the head of the Church and needs to act as such instead of leaning further and further toward the democracy of free thought and ‘the will of the masses’ to include progressive minded Bishops who adopt and/or allow all manner of heresy to go unchecked.

          If as much attention were paid to stamping out actual heresy instead of stamping out Tradition, the Church of today would look very different.

          • Ann, hasn’t the church always given doctrinal authority to Bishop’s councils, as finalized by the Popes approval? Wasn’t the Nicene Creed “democratically” voted on? I really do not understand the point you are making.

          • Ann Malley says:

            I’m speaking about the prospect of increased leveling of authority in the Church. While I do believe that Bishops should be held accountable for what goes on in their diocese, and that they do have the grace of state to work in union with the Pope, I do not believe that Bishop’s councils should be given more authority with regard to prospectively defining doctrine and practice as pertains to their regions.

            In my opinion, that would breed even more division from the whole – that is from Rome. And makes for even more clearly outlined factions.

            Like breaking up the Roman Empire under 3 Caesars. Sounds very practical until one doesn’t know who to follow. It’s interesting enough the changes one encounters, even in supposedly Traditional circles, of what is binding from one country to the next by way of disciplines.

            But in a time where the Church obviously has the need to unite, I find the talk of doing the opposite with regard to teaching authority, very disturbing.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Even Lutherans and Episcopalians believe in the authority of the ecumenical councils, surely the purest form of collegiality there is. Do you?

          • Ann Malley says:

            I said nothing about not believing in ecumenical councils, YFC. Not sure what the comparison to Lutherans and Episcopalians was intended to imply.

            I’m talking about breaking down the big pow-wow and the authority attached to it down to a lot of little pow-wows and granting these little groups a similar level of authority with regard to their associated region.

  5. Our lives are so blessed by these Sisters in Santa Rosa.

  6. God bless these sisters and the good bishop who gave them his own home! What humility! Santa Rosa will certainly benefit from the teaching, prayer and example of the sisters and Bishop Vasa.

  7. Kenneth Fisher says:

    There is material union and there is Spiritual union. Those of us who now attend The Tridentine Mass, which never could have been denied us, at places not approved by heretic, or at least approving of, bishops. Pray for the day when we will all be one again. Even our priests do not like the present situation. We get solid teaching every Sunday Mass from those priests. Many have asked how long it has been since they have heard solid theological teachings from the pulpit. Our answer is EVERY SUNDAY MASS AND SOMETIME WEEKDAYS AS WELL!

    May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
    Viva Cristo Rey!
    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher

  8. A Catholic Bible and the “CCC 2nd Ed” are must haves for study in every Catholic home.

    CCC: ” 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility.
    This is the case when a man takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.
    In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.”

  9. Publically arguing over which Mass (Ordinary or Extraordinary) is better, is in itself sinful.
    Personal preference does not make one Mass holier than the other.
    Only heretics and/or schismatics fight about the Mass.

    May the Body and Blood of our Lord bless each of us, and have mercy on all of our Souls.

    • Ann Malley says:

      “…Personal preference does not make one Mass holier than the other.
      Only heretics and/or schismatics fight about the Mass.”

      Not everyone attends the TLM out of personal preference, John. If only that were the case, it would be so very simple. Sadly, it is not, otherwise there wouldn’t be a growing Latin Mass community.

      You are spot on about mercy, however, at least in my opinion.

      God bless

    • Kenneth Fisher says:

      So, John, you say that a Mass written by six Protest-ant heretics, and two suspect “Catholic” Archbishops is just as good as one written and promulgated by Saints. Mind you, I am not talking about validity, but merit. In other words, which Mass inspires to sanctity more. Hands down it is the Tridentine Mass which could never have been validly condemned!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

      • Kenneth, I am glad that the Tridentine Mass has so much merit for you. I agree that every priest that wants to say it in his parish should be able to do so. But, it is important to remember that it is only valid when said by a priest who is in communion with the Roman Catholic Church. From what you have stated in the past, I understand that the parish you attend each week is not in communion with the RCC. Is this correct?

        • Mass is valid when said by a validly ordained priest. I think you mean it is illicit.

        • Steve Phoenix says:

          Bob One, you may want to read what Card.Dario Castrillon Hoyos, JP2′s appointed head of the Ecclesia Dei commission, has said many times regarding the validity of those celebrating the Tridentine Mass (on several of these occasions he specifically referred to the SSPX). He and several others in positions of authority in the Catholic Church (ex. Card. Edward Cassidy) have said that those who celebrate accordingly never celebrate an invalid Mass, but a valid one. The question is about liceity, or is it a ‘canonically authorized’ Mass.

          The same Cardinal Hoyos, concluding years of research,also explicitly determined that those who celebrate the Latin Mass are not schismatic; yet however, lately Cardinal Gerhard Mueller, Pope Francis’ new prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Faith (Jan., 2014) , no friend of the Latin Mass and a ‘New Theology’-type, made a statement that they are schismatic, ignoring the extensive years of research of the Hoyos Commission on the matter.. So as usual confusion reigns.

          Let us also remember that for decades, we were told the Latin Mass was abolished, there was no change in the words of consecration, and that the liturgy was not changed at Vat2. Yet Vat2 mentions nothing of the abolition of a Latin Mass, no authorization for a ‘New Order’ of the Mass (There was no ‘New Order’ established at Trent: it codified the already- existent Mass) and says at least that the norm of the Mass is to remain in Latin, with Gregorian chant its music and the organ its instrument. If that is the Mass you go to, it must be at a ‘schismatic group’? :)

          • Steve Phoenix, you have mentioned things like this about Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos before. I have found websites which say that he said that. The websites which claim he said that all seem to refer to an interview he gave to an Italian paper named 30 Days:
            CASTRILLÓN HOYOS: “Unfortunately Monsignor Lefebvre went ahead with the consecration and hence the situation of separation came about, even if it was not a formal schism.”
            This is a quote from Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos from Feb. 10, 2009:
            “We are moving forward, trying to rebuild the unity of the Church, and put an end completely to this schism.”
            John Paul II in the Moto Proprio Eccesia Dei in section 5c calls it a schism.
            The difference may be in the term “formal” schism.

          • Steve Phoenix says:

            Again, there is the confusion of overlooking the historical study of the last 4+ decades, which has shown that the TLM was never “abrogated”, “obrogated”, “abolished”, nor lawfully suppressed, nor that the SSPX is in schism:
            1) JP2′s motu proprio “Ecclesia Dei” is dated 7/2/1988. His statement at that time (sec 5c, “schism”) is prior to the historic Ecclesia Dei commission. The commission studied the matter for over a decade(1989-2012) AFTER the date of this motu proprio.
            2) Cardinal Hoyos took over the Ecclesia Dei commission in 2000, and continued until summer 2009. During this time, he undertook sincere dialogue with traditional Catholic groups and most of this time maintained confidentiality on the progress and gave no specific interviews. As a result of exhaustive study, starting in 2005 through the next 3 years, Cardinal Hoyos in at least 6 interviews specifically stated the SSPX are not “schismatic” (not in ONE interview in one review), but in several different interviews. For example, Hoyos stated the same facts in L’Osservatore Romano in Mar., 2008:
            a) priests of the SSPX are not excommunicated nor are they in schism.
            b) He recommended ad orientem celebration of Mass, also for the Novus Ordo. (Dont hold your breath on that happening)
            c) He recommended the celebration of the Novus Ordo in Latin—–which is what Sacro. Concilium of Vat2 actually called for! (And dont hold your breath on that either.)

          • Steve Phoenix says:

            Again and again, I find that critics of the Latin Mass and its various traditional groups, ESPECIALLY the hated SSPX, that these critics like to refer back to a now dated statement of JP2 in July, 1988, overlooking how that was effectively voided by years of study and research, culminating in Summorum Pontificum in 2007. It was in effect voided because Summorum Pontificum essentially validates just about all the major points re. the liturgy the trad groups had originally asked for. JP2, Card Hoyos, and B16 did a great deal to allow open-minded research and study, showing good faith in their discussions with traditional believers.

            The real issue is that, as historical study progresses, more and more we realize that the famed “Consilium” of Vatican 2 used their position in between both Paul VI and most of the worldwide Council Fathers, to play each side into accepting completely unacceptable and revolutionary concepts of the Mass—a failure which some day will be fully revealed and finally corrected.

          • So what’s next? A priestly fraternity that obeys the Pope in all things but same-sex marriage? Would they be schismatic? The Catholic Church is not a franchise where each priest can pick and choose what he does and doesn’t agree with.
            The first commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it. There are various ways of sinning against faith:
            From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
            2088 Voluntary doubt about the faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief. Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spiritual blindness.
            2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. “Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”11

          • What you describe is entirely possible, if not on paper, then absolutely in practice, Anonymous. Our Church is in crisis specifically because of Cardinals, Bishops, priests and religious who say with their mouths that they obey the Pope/magisterium and yet ‘pastorally’ allow same sex couples their unspoken blessing, communion for remarried divorcees, breaking the first commandment by encouraging the faithful to attend the services of their ‘Separated Bretheren’, the desecration of Sacred spaces by allowing worship services of Buddhists, Muslims, etc inside the Church. The list goes on.

            So God bless you in the promotion of wholesale heresy of heart and schism. If you want to do some real good, take your CCC, hit the road, and demand an accounting of the source of schism – BAD BISHOPS. When they laugh you out of town, perhaps you’ll have a taste of real schism.

            God bless.

          • Names, dates????
            Your pattern is to make unsupported allegations. Please support each of them. If you can support your accusations, I will contact the bishops that you accuse.

          • Ann Malley, go read the National Catholic Reporter. They hate the bishops too.

          • It’s not our Church, Ann Malley. It is God’s Church.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous 1: Nobody is stopping you from writing Bishops. It’s getting them to heed you that is the problem as ignoring is the pattern of many.

            Anonymous 2: The true Bishop haters are those that do not care enough to call bad bishops into accounting now, while they can repair scandal before death.

            Anonymous 3: It IS God’s Church, which is why the hierarchy should treat the Church as such instead of like a second hand rose in need of a revamp or just continued neglect.

            God bless you all.

  10. ALL – When writing in public try not to use the word “I” so much.
    “I” shows a lack of humility, and makes oneself the centerpiece of the printed material.
    Ignore wounded pride.

    • Ann Malley says:

      It’s hard, John, when one has been duped by flattery down the rosy path of false friendship. Thank you, however, for the common sense advice. It is appreciated.

      God bless

  11. Ann Malley says:

    Thank you, Kenneth. Well and truly said.

  12. Michael McDermott says:

    “Newman High… Practicing Catholics make up only 20% of our classroom population.”

    That says a Lot – given the Cardinal Newman Society and its focus on Catholic Education. My question – are we Turning Away Practicing Catholics who are Too Poor to afford the “affluent” lifestyle needed for tuition?

    Catholic Education should be Free to Practicing Catholics & Their Children who cannot otherwise afford it, before we start turning it in to a for profit AP School for wealthy agnostics and atheists.

    The disgrace of Oakland building huge glass Cathedrals at great expense – when the local Catholic school yards don’t even have jungle gyms or PE equipment, shows a lack of concern with the most important source for Charity – to Our Own Catholic Children, who are the Future of the Church.

  13. Cat fight among the faithful females! :)

    • Ann Malley says:

      Glad to make you smile, Anonymous :)

    • Pastor Anonymous of the Church of Satan, if anything could possibly make you gay it would be a cat fight among the faithful. :(

      O Mary Conceived Without Sin Pray For Us Who Have Recourse To Thee. And Pray For Those Who Do Not Have Recourse To Thee Especially The Enemies Of The Church.

      • Ann Malley has a lot in common with the sodomites. This is why there was a “cat fight” against a holy woman! I advice all holy and obedient persons to detach your self from these threads. Homosexual Catholics that get involved with lesbian and gay groups only grow more in error just like those getting involved with those outside of the church.

        God protect us from all evil.
        In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen

        • Ann Malley says:

          Cat fight implies that there are two ‘women’ fighting, Charles A. And thank you for slandering me. I take it as a compliment and my crown.

          God bless you.

          • ALL -
            Stop with all the “I”, “I”, “I”, “I” , “I”, ” I” in the media.
            First of all it is a sin of PRIDE,
            secondly no one cares but you, and it drives people away from reading comments that may help them understand the Faith better.

            There should be NO PERSONAL attacks and personal conversations of any kind in the public media. Stick to issues only.
            Do not defend yourselves, defend the Faith.

            Those who are guilty of pride and personal attacks must go to Confession.

          • Ann Malley says:

            When one is asked a direct question or expresses their opinion based on experience, it is not pride, Paul. It is a dialogue style.

            But your point about personal attacks is well taken. Thanks for the reminder :)

        • This thing has gotten silly. Charles A.: Arguing theology won’t make Ann a lesbian. Even her coming to my Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Women’s Conversation and Potluck Group’s Olympic watching party won’t make her a lesbian. Can we turn down the heat and turn up the light here?

  14. Tony de New York says:

    “Those of us who attend Independent Chapels ”

    independent? like the sects, right?

    • Kenneth Fisher says:

      Tony de New York,

      No, like chapels where priests and religious who were crucified by their local chanceries for teaching the fullness of the Faith find refuge, and where Catholics who still want to raise their families in the Traditional Catholic Faith seek sound Catholic teaching!

      “There will come a time when they shall reject sound teachings…….” St. Paul.

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  15. The following is a portion of the original interview with Mother Teresa Christe which CCD chose not to print:

    Mother Teresa said, “Part of my process of coming into full communion with the Church was recognizing the authority of the Holy Father at the time, Pope John Paul II. Privately, I prayed for him, and asked the Lord, “Please make it clear to me when you want me to move and come into full communion with Rome.”

    When asked if she was still in touch with the CMRI community, she responded, “no”. Mother then went on to say, “The CMRI sisters believe we have been misled. They’ve circled the wagons, and become a more intensely closed community. They’re committed to their theological theory, and they’re surrounded by a culture that supports them.”

    Apparently, Mother Teresa’s former community thinks that she has left the “fullness of the faith” by choosing to now be in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.

    Mother Teresa admits that she loved being part of a traditional community, but she is humble enough to acknowledge “that to have the FULLNESS OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH, I need to be in union with Rome. We have to trust Our Lord; where Peter is there is the Church.”

    I pray that Mother Teresa’s humble obedience to the Church will inspire more “traditionalist” to come Home!

    • Ann Malley says:

      The CMRI does not believe the Pope is the Pope, but rather that the seat is vacant. That is not the case with the SSPX and assorted independent parishes.

      Also, you’ll note that Mother Teresa says she attended school in Northern Idaho where, “…I learned to live in the state of grace and have fun.” If she is speaking of St. Dominics, an independent branch of the Dominicans that makes use of the SSPX for the Sacraments, even Mother Teresa does not believe they are devoid of grace. The CMRI schools are in Spokane, WA.

    • If all convents required new aspirants to read the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” in entirty prior to receving final vows – there would be less schism and less heresy.

      • Ann Malley says:

        Actually, Paul, the requirement of having religious read the CCC Second edition would only make them more culpable when they actively go against what is written.

        The rules are there and have always been. But if those rules are not taught, that is by enforcing them, folks learn that the rules mean little to nothing.

        God bless.

  16. Steve Phoenix says:

    One of the reasons why it is futile to discuss matters with an “Anonymous” poster is demonstrated above. I think I like Michael McDermott’s position of not following an anonymous troll down a rabbit hole. We dont even know which person we are addressing for one thing; and we can’t even hold Anonymous to his/her prior statements for any consistency. It is quite futile.

    As to those who seem to hold that every Council of the Church is infallible in all its proceedings, it seems this is a desperate effort to shore up the serious flaws of so much of Vatican II, trying to claim the total infallibility of that Council. We know that Chalcedon defined the two natures of Christ united in one person: THAT part of Chalcedon is infallible. But the many acts of Chalcedon deposing this bishop and that bishop, and their equally vicious counter-depositions—it is ludicrous, even if “affirmed” by a Pope, to claim that all the acts of a council are inherently infallible matter.

    I also enjoyed reading Anon’s equally desperate effort to claim that all or nearly all pronouncements of a Pope when somehow “affirmed” are then infallible too. That of itself exceeds the carefully circumscribed rules of Vatican Council 1, which explicitly limits papal infallibility. The defined dogma must be congruent with the long history of CC tradition.

  17. Sounds like a lot of confusion to me. Now wonder Jesus prayed, “That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. John 17:21

  18. Steve Phoenix says:

    Vatican I (Pastor Aeternus, 1870) set out a series of limits on papal infallibility, only some of which we can describe in 250 words or less: here are a few:

    The defined dogma must be congruent with the long history of CC tradition. It must pertain strictly to faith and morals. It must be a matter “defined” explicitly and ex cathedra. It must be declared as a matter of faith to be held as binding “immutably and forever.” These are some of the components of a pope’s infallible pronouncement. But if we are not careful, and make make infallible every malaprop statement of a pope, we run the risk of making a pope a Living Prophetic Elder (like in the LDS Church), with those divine powers that are reserved to the Trinity alone.

    Finally, the psalm response today once again is: “The SSPX is excommunicated, Alleluia.” Again, this claim violates what Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, himself the head of the Ecclesia Dei commission, again and again declared: that the SSPX is not schismatic and that in effect their sacraments are valid, including penance.

    But it is fun to fight, esp. with those who hold what we always held and believed—up to some indefinable date in the 1960′s, when we were supposed to have changed, and they wouldnt go along . So, if Simon Peter is our new Living Prophet (i.e. the Pope du jour), do we do what he says today—or what the previous popes said then? Do we follow Simon Peter, just as he consistently follows Christ, or is it now we just follow Simon Says?

    • I do not think it is fun to fight. It is a Catholic website. You should find people who are loyal to the Catholic Church and the Pope. What would you expect to find? Your loyalty seems to be to the SSPX. Just because someone posts a Catholic answer doesn’t mean they are dissing your priestly fraternity. Most of the posts should be supportive of the Church. Maybe I have misunderstood what is meant by Catholic in the title of the website. It is becoming unclear what kind of Catholic website this is. If the editor would please inform us whether California Catholic Daily is or is not in union with the Catholic Church and/or is a traditionalist or sedevacantist or sedeprivationist or some other brand of “the Catholic Church left me” kind of Catholic website, it would be appreciated.

      • Ann Malley says:

        Your loyalty seems to be to the word of the law, Anonymous, even if that word contradicts itself, is ambiguous, or leads people to schism in their heart. Bishops do not, in practice, teach the same thing, despite what the Church says. That is why you are forever having to pull out the ol’ CCC. As if people don’t already know what it says. They DO, Anonymous. And that’s the point.

        Nobody is telling you that you have to go to the SSPX or anywhere else than where you attend mass. And that is fine. God will no doubt reward your loyalty. But you calling into question the loyalty of those who desire true Unity of Catholics within the bosom of Holy Mother Church is rather out of place considering it is the heterodox practices of Bishops – that which is allowed left and right – that scandalizes the faithful. Not the SSPX.

        So go to the source of the scandal. Pursue these Bishops that are not enforcing the CCC in their diocese. Talk to them, Anonymous. Demand they obey. They won’t. Write to the Holy Father. Explain this tremendous fallout of Traditionalist Catholics who desire the Truth, clarity, and teaching documents that do not negate themselves from the beginning of one sentence to the end.

        But please do not beat up on sheep that have already been beat up enough. God in His mercy has given them shelter and it is not up to you to cry disloyal. For they have been driven away, driven away by the very shepherds you seem to believe are blameless despite their vocation, education, and ultimate responsibility.

        • HUH???????????????????

        • Excellent post Ann Malley! Anonymous and the same trolls have become quite unraveled with the many truths that have been exposed on CCD. Ann Malley you never once tried to persuade anyone to leave the Church or break communion with Rome. You have brought though an intense love of Christ and a beautiful searching desire for the full Truth. kanonymous remains completely silent when wolves from within are using every intellectually charged terrible excuse to tear apart the Body of Christ. We look forward to the day when all our brothers and sisters in Christ are united in full communion with Rome, ESPECIALLY those WITHIN the Church who have abandoned Our Lord in schism of the heart and mind. “It is better for scandals to arise than for the Truth to be suppressed.” Pope Gregory the *Great.* Faith without works is dead.

          P.S. If Pope Francis eventually helps to reunite the SSPX with Rome, then many will also be calling him Pope Francis the *Great* too. Many Catholics are praying for this unity. Many enemies of the Church and activists who post on CCD are working against that unity because they not only reject the truth, they hate it. Under the banner of pretending to be in full communion, their schisms remain protected and hidden in their hearts but the devastating results can be seen all around us. As the Church leadership goes, the world goes. There is no longer a sense of shame in the world because sin is not being addressed. “My people perish for lack of knowledge.”

          James 2:16] “And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? [17] So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. [18] But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith. [19] Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. [20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?.”……..Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible


          • The Prophecy of Isaiah Chapter 5 – Douay- Rheims Catholic Bible

            “5; [11] Woe to you that rise up early in the morning to follow drunkenness, and to drink till the evening, to be inflamed with wine. [12] The harp, and the lyre, and the timbrel, and the pipe, and wine are in your feasts: and the work of the Lord you regard not, nor do you consider the works of his hands. [13] Therefore is my people led away captive, because they had not knowledge, and their nobles have perished with famine, and their multitude were dried up with thirst. [14] Therefore hath hell enlarged her soul, and opened her mouth without any bounds, and their strong ones, and their people, and their high and glorious ones shall go down into it. [15] And man shall be brought down, and man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be brought low.”

          • kanonymous? oh well. I give up trying to understand these rants!

          • John 6
            35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst.
            36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.
            37 All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out.
            38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me;
            39 and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.
            40 For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

            Read more:

          • Catherine you are complimenting Ann? Its a shame. I thought you were a holy woman, now we all know that you are not! You are no different than those trolls you mention. You might as well yell “crucify him”. Your silence on the attack on another was very telling. You are no friend, but an enemy. I would be careful with whom one thinks are friends here, it seems like they can turn on you, just like Judas did on Jesus! Wrong is wrong! Even if this self righteous woman wants to perfume it!

          • Ann Malley says:

            Thanks for taking the time to understand what I’m trying to say instead of what you fear I might be doing. There’s no hidden agenda here. At least none that I know of. God willing this much-manufactured trial of confusion and seeming unknowing will end sooner rather than later.

            God bless!

          • Ann Malley says:

            Read what Catherine wrote, Charles A. Look to the issue being discussed, not the person, the perceived allies, and or anticipated loyalties…or disloyalties. This is not a matter of who is holy or holier.

            I believe I understand that you consider yourself as being loyal to Christ. This is great. But being loyal to the point of refusing to assess the permissive will of Church hierarchy in allowing all manner of confusion without correction is little more than hiding the dirty laundry…. or moving predator priests around from parish to parish instead of getting rid of them to the benefit of souls.

            You may well believe me to represent some horrible scourge, but what do you consider those priests and religious who empower the unending stream of immorality and religious indifferentism that infect us and our children? I lived through much of that nonsense myself, Charles A, so it is not just a matter of getting hold of some bad book.

            If you love God as you seem to do, I pray you would rejoice in the methods He has used to give me Faith. Faith in Him and love for His Church, Our Mother. Not picking sides and duking out an imaginary battle that, truly, only our spiritual superiors can solve. If only everyone would correspond to the abundant GRACE provided.

            God bless.

          • “That said, my “apparent” sin is exposed and open to admonishment by you all.”

            Dear Ann Malley, The reason that these roaming trolls wonder if we are the same person is that a guilty or scheming conscience is often it’s very own accuser. I have had company at our house and it was another dear sweet sister in Christ, who just happens to be one of my three sisters, and she came to visit and spend two nights as a guest. What a blessing and so much fun to spend time with her. God bless you meanwhile for hanging in there. Thank you for focusing on the wrong and the error that is being done to Jesus Christ Crucified and thank you for your humility. Please do not let kanamous troll tactics railroad you into silence. Ann Malley the “most apparent” quality of your posts has been an encouragement to always uphold the traditions and truths that have always been taught by the Catholic Church. It IS important for those who have been driven away by wolves in sheep’s clothing to understand and recognize that there are many faithful Catholics and faithful priests who are in full communion with Rome who DO understand and recognize what you are communicating. You and others will always be welcomed with much love and open arms but as you can see the truth is NOT welcome by those who have gained *from within* a comfortable foothold in their ill-fated mission that attempts to completely dismantle these truths. “In the End My Immaculate Heart Will Triumph”. Christ established his One, True Church on earth. You DO desire to follow Jesus Christ Crucified and to be in full communion and you ARE the salt of the earth agitating trolls who do not love those truths. The beauty of the Catholic faith is that you may address ONE TRUTH and that TRUTH even lovingly applies to sneaky trolls as well as those who are of good will. If we do not desire the conversion of those sneaky trolls then we too need a conversion. There is one thing that the devil cannot conquer and that is the LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED!


          • Continued for Ann Malley from February 13, 2014 at 11:27 am

            The Gospel of John 17: [11] “And now I am not in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name whom thou has given me; that they may be one, as we also are. [12] While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled. [13] And now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy filled in themselves. [14] I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world; as I also am not of the world. [15] I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil. [16] They are not of the world, as I also am not of the world. [17] Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [19] And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [20] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me; [21] That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.” Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible

          • Ann Malley says:

            Thanks, Catherine, and God bless. I’m glad you had a good visit!

          • How weak in faith you are! How sinful! You try to make those who are faithful to Jesus Christ Crucified look as if they are the Judases. While you flatter the one who admits she is disloyal and sloughs it off by saying “Everyone is a Judas.” She is including you in that, too.
            The only way I can make any sense of this is that you are doing some kind of flattery (a sin) to try to bring Ann Malley (or whatever his or her name is) back to the Church. In doing so, though, you have totally lost any credibility as a faithful Catholic. I am sure those who have left the Church for greener pastures will appreciate your support. I hope you will rediscover the True Faith and the True Church and that you will understand why it is a heresy to reject belief in the One Holy Catholic Church (a tenet of the Creed that is necessary for belief) and why you should not ever support it or flatter those who commit it.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous, your zeal is duly noted as is your admonishment that there is only One Holy Catholic Church. This is precisely true which is why I do not seek ‘greener pastures’ but rather the restoration of what those in positions of authority have willfully obfuscated despite Our Lord’s promise.

            As to being a Judas, nobody has to make anybody out to be a Judas, we all do that well enough ourselves. Even those who believe themselves to be pious and holy and dutiful. It is a continued process of having to always turn back to God. Even the righteous man sins seven times a day.

            So please, look to the accusations you yourself make. I do not reject that there is one True Church. Quite the contrary. But just because you do not see that, does not make what you think you believe, true.

            God bless you Anonymous.

          • There is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church united to the Pope. That is the one True Church established by Jesus Christ and founded on the Apostles. Jesus Christ is the Head of the Catholic Church. You say you do not reject that there is one True Church. Neither do the Mormons or the Jehovah’s Witnesses. But they do not believe in the True Church. You seem to not believe that Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit guide the Catholic Church. You seem to believe that men have conquered Him. Christ conquers. Christ reigns. Christ orders.

          • Ann Malley says:

            No, Anonymous, I do not believe men have conquered Christ. That is impossible. There is, however, a tremendous battle waging, as evidenced by even the recent survey of Catholic faithful. As for Christ and the Holy Spirit guiding the Church, Our Lord guides everything by active and/or permissive will. But Churchmen, much like the Apostles did, sin. Even Peter did.

            I’m not sure if you are the Anonymous who posted Pope Honorius: “Pope St. Leo II (681-683) did confirm the acts of the council, but he also noted explicitly that Pope Honorius was being condemned for tardiness and negligence in not denouncing the Monothelite heresy sooner.”

            This implies that Pope Honorius was negligent in his duty to protect the flock. Fast forward to current times and we are awash in the heresy of modernism. You may not think so yourself, but history will tell as hind sight is 20/20.

            And as St. Robert Bellarmine says: Just as it is licit to resist the Pontiff who aggresses the body, it is also licit to resist the one who aggresses the souls or who disturbs civil order, or, above all, who attempts to destroy the Church. I say that it is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and preventing his will from being executed; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior.

            (De Romano Pontifice, lib. 2, chap. 29,
            Opera omnia, Paris: Pedone Lauriel, 1871, vol. 1, p. 418

            God bless!

          • Which Popes do you think are or were modernist heretics?

          • Ann Malley, I just want to check on your understanding of God’s Will. You understand that God’s permissive Will is not what we pray for when we pray Thy Will be done. Saying that God guides things by His permissive Will indicates that sin is a part of God’s plan and it is not. Saying that God permits something means it is not His Will. He may bring Good from it, but is not permissible to do evil hoping that God will bring Good from it. More Good will come from staying in God’s known Will and resisting the temptations.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Of course, Our Lord doesn’t will sin, Anonymous #2. That said, God’s known will is that we avoid even the occasion of sin and keep the Faith full and entire. This is precisely why I avoid that evil which has been allowed into the Church by the permissive will of a hierarchy who seems, for all intents and purposes, to believe that allowing evil will somehow bring about the good. In many instances, the above motive, is as charitable as I can be, Anonymous.

            This is not to discount the benefits of you doing as your conscience dictates or to tar every NO priest. If you have a solid parish that aids you in sanctifying your soul, that is beautiful. And a blessing. Not everybody has that blessing…. or the ability to perpetually hunt around for a solid parish.

            Many also use the argument that ‘Our Lord is there’ and that we should humble ourselves to attend even an abusive mass for that reason. This is odd logic as Satanists also put Christ in the Blessed Sacrament at their masses. But what do they do there? They blaspheme the Lord and allow that which is unholy. Yes, this is an extreme example and I am not associating the Novus Ordo with a Black Mass, but I hope it illustrates my point.

            God bless.

          • Ann Malley says:

            I’ll leave it up to you as to who is or who has allowed modernist heresy, Anonymous. God bless.

          • Well, that was a cop-out. But let me ask you this,then: please explain what you mean by “awash in modernism.”

          • Ann Malley, you have said often that Mass is a near occasion of sin for you. If you don’t mind sharing, what sin do you commit at Mass?

          • It is the slow degrading of the sacrificial reality of the Mass, Anonymous, that proposes an occasion of sin for me. I know this because I lived through it.

            Thank you for your question and God bless.

          • Awash in modernism is the heterodoxy imposed by not consistently preaching the truth, Anonymous. On all levels. From the pulpit. In the confessional. In the manner in which mass is offered. By avoiding difficult social topics. Even architecture – no kneelers, no Tabernacle, obscure modern and often grotesque ‘art’. False ecumenism and the encouragement to attend the services of our separated brethren. The increasing reliance on lay people, who do not have the grace of state, to do those functions to which the priest is called by his vocation. The rampant push to promote NFP before marriage, thereby undermining the very generosity to new life inherent in the married state. (Practical band-aids, Anonymous)

            All of these things combined lead to the diminution of the realities of the Real Presence, Moral doctrine, the very real differences between Catholics and Protestants that cannot be pretended away. Combine that with inconsistencies from diocese to diocese. Some (under the auspices of being pastoral) allow couples who are living together to receive Holy Communion, some give Communion to those in irregular
            marriages, some will give rampant willy-nilly annulments and still allow couples to have a ‘Church’ wedding. Some religious teach Reiki on retreats, advocate the spiritual aspects of Yoga, and inter-religious spiritual retreats. Some will welcome a pro-Abort politician to Holy Communion (a prime example of DOING EVIL while hoping some good will come of it like a magic prize.) And unlike you may believe, the CHILDREN are watching, learning, and asking for equal treatment to do AS THEY PLEASE as there is no private life anymore.

            That is why I know these things, Anonymous, not because I’ve had my ear to the ground listening to all the bad press by those outside the Church.

          • Ann Malley, Retired priests who have generously used their time to catechize many said it is often very difficult to find a good solid parish to send these people to attend. Many of these individuals who have been taught by these retired priests were not Catholic and they wanted to learn more about the Catholic faith. These priests were so joyful to be able to introduce them to Catholicism and teach them about the faith but when it came time to refer these individuals to a particular parish that was close to the person then the difficulty arose because they knew that it would not be a good parish to send someone. In some cases it can be similar to the parents who trustingly sent their children to Catholic Universities where their children ended up losing their faith altogether. I remember sitting at a meeting where a very good priest told a group of Catholics to not attend their local parish if it was not good. He told them to go out a find one that was solid in teaching the faith. One lady, God bless her, rose her hand and said, “Father I am blind and I do not drive, and I cannot keep walking out with my white cane in search of new bus routes to new parishes.” This woman then compared the Catholic Church to a working car and she said that if you remove all of the wheels and other exterior elements you can still pretend or refer to it as a car but when they start to remove the engine (the full supernatural truths) which powers and moves the car then it is no longer a car but just an empty shell. Then she raised her voice and said once again, “Father I AM BLIND and I should not have to keep searching out a new bus route in order to find a good parish.” That is a true story. This woman may not have had eyesight but she was certainly not spiritually blind when it came to her strong faith. The story about these sisters is beautiful and Bishop Vasa is blessed to have them. Many Catholic parents in Orange County still have to homeschool because they do not want their children exposed to the heterodoxy that takes place in so many Catholic schools. They also cannot drive to Santa Rosa each day for their children to be taught by these lovely sisters.

          • Ann Malley says:

            to Anonymous cont:

            I also do not know these things because some ‘schismatic’ group got hold of the innocent lamb. I know these things because they have decimated my siblings and their families, those that haven’t looked at the whacky hypocrisy and just given it up to atheism. This is all despite what the Holy Father says and what the Church ‘really’ teaches, Anonymous.

            That’s why I’m not about to toss the Society under the bus as that would be just plain cutting my nose off despite my face. But if you have a great parish/diocese, THANK GOD! I mean that. You do not realize how blessed you are.

            Appreciate what you have. Give thanks. And give thanks that God, in HIS mercy, has deigned to provide for those scandalized souls who would otherwise be further scandalized instead of coming to know, love, and desire to serve God.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Thank you, Catherine, for reporting the reality on the ground, in the trenches. And God bless Bishop Vasa. He is very astute to acknowledge and employ the BLESSING of these good sisters. And he has been blessed.

            These sisters are equally blessed that they were not consigned to say, Orange County, or perhaps an area where Tradition is not welcome. Their beautiful vocations would be surely put to the test if not crushed underfoot were they assigned elsewhere.

            That said, these sisters were not converts to Sedevecantism from the Novus Ordo. That is they didn’t seek out Sedevecantism as young adults. They were raised in it. So while their position regarding the Pope was irregular to say the least, their training in the actual Faith was firm, uncompromising, and their love of the Lord unquestioned.

            That’s likely why Sister says she learned to live in the state of grace at school in Idaho. She was preserved from much that could very likely have turned her from fulfilling any vocation at all. And thank God for that.

            Keep up the good fight, Catherine, and enjoy the rest of the weekend!

          • Ann Malley, to clarify on the occasion of sin: “It is the slow degrading of the sacrificial reality of the Mass, Anonymous, that proposes an occasion of sin for me. I know this because I lived through it.” Are you saying that you commit the sin of willful doubt of the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist when you attend Mass?

          • Ann Malley, I think you may be confused on what modernism (the heresy) is. Heterodoxy and modernism is not the same thing. But modernism would be heterodox.
            Catherine, I totally agree with that woman. The fullness of the Faith should be in every Catholic parish.

          • And the purity of the Faith should be in every Catholic parish.

          • Ann Malley says:

            So my experience is that the Church is awash in the heterodox, ever-evolving fruits of the heresy of modernism, Anonymous. Is that more precise for you? It doesn’t really matter, however, as your pondering words and syntax doesn’t change the reality of what is. Especially not for those on the ground hungry and searching for that which will impart and nurture Faith. (You sound like an embedded Rules of Engagement lawyer in the midst of a Taliban fire fight, thumbing through what can and cannot be done while the Seal team saves your bacon so you can nip pick for yet another day.)

            The Church hierarchy may not be teaching modernism by actual text, Anonymous, but much like in the Arian Heresy, the shift to that which is pastoral instead of doctrinal has left the window wide open to an exceedingly liberal interpretation. That’s why there is such confusion… I mean diversity. But just like a corporation that finds itself too diverse in its offerings, there comes a point where the corporate charter is lost.

            But keep on swimming where you are. You seem to be receiving all the graces you need and that is wonderful.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Regarding ‘willful doubt’ Anonymous. When would you say someone commits a sin against the 6th Commandment? Is it only when they cheat on a spouse? Is it when they sleep around, but are unmarried? Is it when they watch a full blown XXX movie? Is it when they buy Penthouse? Is it perhaps when they buy a Sports Illustrated Swim Suit Edition? Is it when they, knowing their failings, start lingering in the women’s underwear department and just happen to notice the full blown pics of models wearing underwear on the wall. But for the last part they’re just there because they told their wife they’d pick something up for her. It’s an innocent trip. A kindness. There’s no sin there. And yet if said man’s wife happened to come to the store to find him fixated and contemplating the ‘underwear’ would he be embarrassed? Would he admit that he’d become even the slightest bit interested in who was wearing said underwear? I’d hope so or else he’d come off as a total boob or an unmitigated liar.

            It’s a process, Anonymous, it’s a process of understanding that human beings are effected psychologically by their environment. You may believe your faith is strong and will never be effected by the things I mentioned in my previous post. God has blessed you then, to be sure. But I am no sinless, Blessed Mother. If I go somewhere where the fair is donuts and pastry, eventually I WILL BREAK MY DIET. That’s not a lack of faith on my part, but the knowledge of human nature, specifically, my own.

          • Ann Malley says:

            correction to Anonymous:

            That should read ‘nit pick.’ My apologies :)

          • I am sorry that I have made you defensive. I do not know why you are insulting me. I thought we were having a discussion. I am not trying to tell you what to think or to manipulate you in any way. I want to know what you mean by the things that you said. You are correct that modernism can be the root cause of heterodoxy. It may not be. I would like to continue the discussion if you are ok with that. It has nothing to do with a Society (SSPX? SSPV?). It has nothing to do with where you or I worship. If you want to continue-I would like to know what heterodox statements you heard from the pulpit.

          • “The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.” (CCC, n. 2181)
            The Mass itself should be an occasion of merit.
            What I hear you saying is that if you attend Mass (Ordinary Form) and there are errors (not in the Mass but in the Homily?) you will believe them. That would not be a sin. It could be a sin if you did it willfully, with full knowledge. But I understand that one would not wish to be in error. And one would wish to avoid a Mass where one felt the priest could not be trusted. However, these things can become occasions of merit when one hears something that sounds untrue and researches it and becomes stronger in the knowledge of the faith. Not attending Mass is a grave sin. I am saying this for those who may be reading this and would use this as an excuse to stop attending Mass. It is not a just reason and one is obligated to seek the Truth which may involve talking to other priests or even tweeting the Pope.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous #2: Tweeting the Pope isn’t the answer to the Church’s ills, Anonymous. Consistency in teaching and practice from parish to parish and Bishop to Bishop is…or at least would be a good start.

            As to what constitutes just cause, you presume too much. Even so, yes, Catholics are obliged to attend mass. That is why folks who attend the SSPX do attend mass where their conscience allows. And it is more than just homilies, Anonymous.

            Your argument: “What I hear you saying is that if you attend Mass (Ordinary Form) and there are errors (not in the Mass but in the Homily?) you will believe them. That would not be a sin. It could be a sin if you did it willfully, with full knowledge. But I understand that one would not wish to be in error. And one would wish to avoid a Mass where one felt the priest could not be trusted.”

            You completely negate the the reality of wanting to please God, Anonymous. Sin is not to be avoided merely to escape the culpability of it, but rather to be more pleasing to God. That is why it is not a matter of wishing to be error-free, or wishing to have a priest I could trust. These things are a necessity as grace builds upon nature.

            God bless.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous #1:

            Ascribing ‘cop out’ to an honest reply is not an amicable discussion. If you are not ‘that’ Anonymous, that’s okay, but this type of confusion is part and parcel of choosing to keep a nondescript moniker.

            To answer your question, at the age of 9, our parish got to hear how sickening it is for priests to have people stick their tongues out at them all morning. Lots of guffaws. This was a long, time ago, Anonymous, just two years after my First Holy Communion where I’d been taught to do precisely that. Why?

            Because Our Lord is truly present in the Blessed Sacrament. Because priests hands are consecrated by virtue of their ordination. And because we should receive Our Lord with the greatest of reverence and humility.

            God bless.

          • Well, that was a joke. It was not modernism or heterodoxy. Did that make feel uncomfortable when going to communion when you were 9? Did it offend you then or in hindsight? Was it during a time when they were trying to get people to change to receiving in the hands? You are correct that we should always receive Our Lord with the greatest of reverence and humility. I guess I should ask you: Do you consider receiving the Host in the hands modernism or heterodoxy?

          • Ann Malley, I am really struggling to understand your answers. This has nothing to do with the SSPX. This isn’t about me or my parish. This isn’t about whether you go to Church or where you go to church. I am interested in hearing about your experiences in the Catholic Church. I am coming to the conclusion that you may not mean the same thing as the Catholic Church means when you use words like heterodoxy and modernism. I am not trying to nit-pick or prove you wrong. Some things happened when you went to Church that upset you or that you thought were wrong. So, just getting away from the “big words” and not worrying about labeling the things that upset you or made you feel insecure or anxious or that you weren’t in the right place (I am not trying to offend, but like I said-I am struggling to understand your answers) I would like to know the things that you experienced that were not the way the Church should be. (I have things that upset me, too. And things that make me question.) Assuming you want to continue, and really feel free to end this if it is not something that you want to do, you mentioned the manner in which Mass is offered. What happened with that? Also, you mentioned “pastoral vs. doctrinal”. I had that happen about 30 years ago, and it was really frustrating. I wanted to know the answer to my question and I got no answer. But God sent me the answer in another manner. So what happened to you?

          • Yes, Anonymous #1, it was a joke. And it is an ongoing joke as the guffaws were only coming from the pulpit, not from the increasingly empty pews. I remember that too in addition to a great many other episodes of that which – oh, no – wasn’t heresy or modernism or sinful. Just misunderstood, smarmy dumbing down that was little more than saccharine and empty and disgustingly patronizing. As if the Church had overdosed on estrogen.

            The attempt to ‘get people to receive in the hands,” is also a failure as the loss of the Sacred is what afflicts the Church today. But then the ‘supposed’ intention of acknowledging human dignity by having the faithful stand and receive in the hand is the grand excuse when the practice is blamed in part for the diminution of belief in the Real Presence.

            Much like sitting through questionable sermons, but not being held accountable for any resulting sin just because it wasn’t entered into willfully. So what are we up to now, Anonymous? The promotion off unintended heresy and modernism?

          • Anonymous #2: Feel free to ask me one off questions as they come up, but you might want to read: The Second Vatican Council – An Unwritten Story Paperback by Professor Roberto deMattei (A purely scholarly, academic review of the mechanics behind VII)

            Regarding the changes in the mass, you might try: “The Work of Human Hands.” It is written by a Fr. Anthony Cekada. This priest is a Sedevacantist, something which I am not, but even so, the head of ICEL, Monisgnor Wadsworth, has praised this book as an essential work to understand where the Mass went. There is no advocating for sedevecantism in the book. And there is no advocating for sedevecantism from me either.

            But the book explains a lot – as it compares, side by side, the text of the Latin mass vs. that of Paul VI. Even if you believed it to be complete nonsense, if you seek to evangelize lost Traditional sheep, you would do well to understand the POV.

            That said, you received your answers and so too have I, Anonymous. But God works where He wills and there are many unseen alliances working to the ultimate good and for the love of God.

          • But, Ann Malley, those books aren’t going to tell me what I am asking you. But I guess you don’t want to share. You seem to be getting dismissive, so I will stop bugging you. God bless you.

          • Ann Malley, I thank you for your time. I am sorry that it wasn’t more productive. Those of us who have been stamping out the hotspots of error, heresy, modernism, heterodoxy and just plain making stuff up in the church will continue to do so.

        • Flamboyant gay men can post here pretending to be traditionalistic Catholic women and saying ignorant things about the Catholic Church because they hate the Catholic Church for it’s stand on homosexuality. So they post really extreme right wing stuff to make it look bad.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Really? You don’t need people pretending to be extreme right wing to make you look bad. Y’all do that real good all by yourselves.

          • Ann Malley says:

            God love you, Anonymous, you did it again. Your demonstration that it’s all about ‘appearance’ is a huge issue within the Church as the notion of the ‘dunghill covered in snow’ is a Protestant construct.

            So if the Emperor wants to strut about with no clothes, sorry, I’m not taking the fall for his decision. And I’m not going to tell my kids that he’s actually dressed for appearance sake.

            God help you.

          • Anonymous, don’t you mean “left wing”? – Morally corrupt persons who support homosexual acts and sodomy marriage.

            Any baptized Catholic who does not adhere 100% to:
            1) Holy Scripture (Catholic Bible);
            2) Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition;
            3) Code of Canon Law;
            4) GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal) for the Ordinary Form of the Mass; -
            are heretics or schismatics.

            Corresponding links to the Vatican web site:
            #2 –
            #3 –
            #4 –

          • This is what prompted the above post. It was not directed at Catherine. Catherine is a faithful Catholic although why she was selectively silent when Ann Malley was brutalizing Catherine’s greatest defender Abeca Christian, I can’t figure out.
            Ann Malley says:
            February 10, 2014 at 4:43 pm
            Cat fight implies that there are two ‘women’ fighting, Charles A. And thank you for slandering me. I take it as a compliment and my crown.
            God bless you.

            This apparent confession that “she” is not a woman combined with her total lack of knowledge of Catholicism and traditionalism and the SSPX and her using Catholic expressions in such a manner that it become obvious that she has no idea what they mean, really has made me wondering whether “she” is what she says she is.
            Also, if she was really homeschooling all those kids how would she have so much time to be on the internet?
            She probably isn’t a gay guy but she sure is hostile to the Church!
            But, again, this is why it is better to post anonymously so people just respond to your posts and not to some image they have of you from accumulating posts.
            Sorry if I offended anyone.
            So I kind of understand now why Catherine got it in her head that I am someone and something that I am not. I’ll forgive her. Please forgive me. It really doesn’t matter who writes what as long as people know the Faith and are not fooled by error.
            God bring us all to true holiness, faith and love.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous, Catherine is not out to defend herself. She is about defending the fullness of the Truth. That said, read posts. Read even those posts you do not like or would otherwise cast as righteous not because of content, but rather because of ‘who’ wrote them.

            You implied that I was ‘brutalizing’ Abeca. The reality is she was attacking me, Anonymous, because she became flustered by what I said about the realities going on within the Church. The very issues posted by CCD, not a construct of mine or the SSPX. But if discussing reality is deigned as brutalizing, so be it. The Church is even now being brutalized and that is a higher priority to me.

            My admission – as you term it – was a correction to you that Abeca AND I were engaged in the supposed disagreement. Hence the ‘cat fight’ terminology used by another anonymous. But your blinders-on mentality rejects the notion that Abeca could possibly be engaging in something not quite wonderful – based on your perception of her, not what she’s saying/doing.

          • Ann Malley says:

            So does the Church hierarchy, YFC. That’s the point.

            God bless :)

          • Anonymous I have my concerns about you, but on this comment you mentioned I too wondered. You said “Catherine is a faithful Catholic although why she was selectively silent when Ann Malley was brutalizing Catherine’s greatest defender Abeca Christian, I can’t figure out.”. Don’t try to, they judge others from their desks but their hearts are like Judas who pretended to be a friend to Jesus.

          • It looks like Abeca did the right thing, admonished the sinner and then wasted no more time with arguing back and forth.
            Abeca I am Charles and a convert. If you are reading this, please pray for me. Few months ago you quoted from Fulton Sheen. It spoke to me. I purchased more of his books because of you.

          • Ann Malley says:

            God bless you all, Abeca, Charles A, and Anonymous. It wouldn’t surprise me if two of you were all one and the same person, but please, if you love God as you say, and I’m sure you do, read posts and stop judging who is holier than who. Who is a Judas. Who is of a good heart and who is ‘your’ friend.

            Everyone is a Judas. Every blessed one of us despite how holy we or others believe we are. Despite what others tell us. That said, my apparent sin is exposed and open to admonishment by you all. Something you righteously do with vigor as it seems to bump you up on the holiness charts. It doesn’t, however, but rather pushes those scandalized sheep further from the fold. Because despite your best efforts, these supposedly self-righteous sheep can see the teeth and saliva of the wolves dressed as sheep behind you. And that’s no perfume. That just is.

            And God bless Fulton Sheen – a man who looked to the order of his own soul and didn’t duck an argument by citing his own holiness.

          • Ann are you Catherine or Anonymous? Probably not a good idea to follow your tactics to manipulate. What’s the matter, you hate it that someone would defend the good name of a holy woman? It must be shocking to all in this hostile culture we live in. Just for the record, I am not Abeca nor Anonymous!! Its a shame what prideful people will come up with. Allow me the honor to remind you that Abeca is not here to defend herself.

          • Ann Malley, I would like to remind you that Abeca Christian is in poor health. She has not posted since your “catfight” and I am concerned about her. I do not wish to say anything about your posts except to address a comment that you made.
            About the “issues”, you are bringing issues up that everyone else has moved on from. It is hard here because some people want a forum and feel like they have friends here and feel free to comment about other people. I am guilty and I sincerely desire to forsake this. Other people realize it is a comment box and just talk about the articles or related issues.

          • To Pat-yes, it could be left-wing as well. I am reminded of an ad that the Freedom From Religion Foundation placed in the NYT addressed to liberal and nominal Catholics advising them that it was time to leave the Catholic Church.
            Using your example of homosexuality and gay marriage, should someone tell the truth about what the Church teaches, then tells those who disagree to go the their Church it is one level of sin. But if they lie and say the Church teachings are something other than what they are, then it is a whole other level of sin.
            You are correct that those 4 things must be obeyed.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Dear Anonymous:

            Do you mean to say that the comment box is not there so we can sling insults at each other, engage in 4th grade name calling, and calling out each others’ imagined sins…sins which are, after all, so MUCH more grievous and numerous than our own? Gosh, in that case, maybe I shouldn’t be so willing to learn by example!

          • First Epistle of St. Paul to the Corinthians Chapter 1

            1: 9} God is faithful: by whom you are called unto the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. {1:10} Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no schisms among you: but that you be perfect in the same mind and in the same judgment. {1:11} For it hath been signified unto me, my brethren, of you, by them that are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. {1:12} Now this I say, that every one of you saith: I indeed am of Paul; and I am of Apollo; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.{1:13} Is Christ divided? Was Paul then crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?{1:14} I give God thanks, that I baptized none of you but Crispus and Caius: {1:15} Lest any should say that you were baptized in my name. Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible

          • Poor Abeca. Oh well, she has a lot of people here who admire her and that don’t call the people who stand up for her trolls and wolves in sheeps clothing.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Wow! How crazy this thread kept going while I stayed away. What a circus I tell you. This is a beautiful article too. Its too bad. It was too much to even continue reading the rest, best I ignore. Not worth responding nor arguing, its useless.

            No Anony not poor me, poor those who have grown hardened in their heart and twist and live a life of self righteousness. But my eye’s are wide open and I see that whom I thought were admirable and to look up to are actually people who hold a great pride deeper and far more dangerous.

  19. Steve Phoenix says:

    I am reminded of a statement of great modesty and incisive insight of Pope BXVI: he is supposed to have said in 2005 during an address to priests in Aosta that: “The Pope is not an oracle; he is infallible in very rare situations, as we know”. I think some well-meaning Catholics would like the Pope to be an oracle, a Living Prophet, dribbling out infallibility in every verse and utterance.

  20. Ann Malley says:

    Well said, YFC. From one sinner to another.

    God bless.

  21. A priest on EWTN radio said that Pope Gregory the Great once said that bishops and priests who failed to warn their flocks of danger were like dumb dogs who failed to bark.

    “It is better for scandals to arise than for the Truth to be suppressed.” Pope St. Gregory the Great

    “We’ve had enough of exhortations to be silent! Cry out with a hundred thousand tongues. I see that the world is rotten because of silence.”

    “Not to oppose error is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.” – Pope Felix III


    • Taken from the Archdiocese of Baltimore

      III. Evangelized and Evangelizing

      “The renewal of our priestly lives does not necessarily mean working longer hours. Let me tell you something about my own priestly life. Busyness is often my excuse for avoiding what is truly necessary. It can be a way of delaying difficult decisions . . . . . . a way of sidestepping what needs to be dealt with in my own interior life. Busyness is just one of a garden variety of ways all of us can be diverted from holiness, the first priority in our priestly lives.
      Yet, deep down, I know and you know that our efforts to evangelize will not really bear abundant and lasting fruit unless and until we allow the Glad Tidings Jesus announced in the Nazareth synagogue to hit home in our spiritual lives in a deeply personal way. We must be the first to allow the Lord to help us face in our souls whatever hinders or even prevents us from being those priests whose lives bear witness to the Gospel we preach and the sacraments we celebrate.

      • As stated by others: Laity can not evangelize what they do not know.

        Bishops and their Priests have done “F” work in teaching the Laity.
        Most do not prominently and actively encourage the literate laity to read the Bible and the CCC – at HOME.
        How many can say this is encouraged from their parish pulpit, or diocese or parish web site, and Parish bulletin ? ? ?

        Even Jesus did not expect human beings to learn merely from mental osmosis. He taught them.

        “….the Catechism has raised throughout the world, even among non-Christians, and confirms its purpose of being presented as a full, complete exposition of Catholic doctrine, enabling everyone to know what the Church professes, celebrates , lives, and prays in her daily life.” – Pope John Paul II (CCC pg xiv)

        • Ann Malley says:

          Paul, it is not just learning the catechism, but rather enforcing it that is the issue. And enforcing it is the matter for priests, Bishops and so forth.

          So the laity can hop on board to knowing, but that doesn’t mean their pastor who has a very different take on enforcement will change one iota.

          God bless.

          • “It is not just learning the catechism, but rather enforcing it that is the issue. And enforcing it is the matter for priests, Bishops and so forth.”

            Thank you Ann Malley!

            Taken Father John A. Hardon, S.J. Archives


            Questions and answers by The Servant of God Father John Hardon SJ

            Re-Evangelization by Father John Hardon, S.J.

            In the present deluge of immorality, when will it become apparent – that continence in the Catholic Canon which has governed man’s behavior?

            “Oh, that continence is in the Catholic Canon Law. It will become apparent when more Catholics, beginning with more bishops, priests and religious practicing continency. Am I clear? I couldn’t be more clear. Now the teachers and custodians of Catholic morality themselves live morally good lives, including morally chaste lives.”

            Minding the current rise of heresy and the participation of even priests and religious in the acceptance of homosexuality, the changes in the Mass, and the so-called modern morality, why is the Devil so apparently strong today?

          • Monkey see, monkey do is a great adage, Catherine, as adults are much like children looking to their leaders for behavioral examples. (That’s why we needed Christ’s example isn’t it?)

            So saying, we can preach till we’re blue, but until there is a consistently good example, we’ll keep imitating the no-holds-barred model. But always with well constructed ‘sinless’ intent of course.

            God bless.

          • continued from February 19, 2014 at 9:45 am
            Taken from Father John Hardon SJ Archives on Re-Evangilization

            Why is the Devil so apparently strong today?

            Father Hardon SJ responded, For three reasons. And the Devil is extraordinarily strong and successful today: First, as penalty for sins committed – in other words – we believe in the solidarity in virtue and solidarity in sin. We believe that the present generation can be suffering for the sins of the past generation. First reason!

            Second reason, God is allowing the Devil to be so successful because those who should be guiding the Church in sound morality are not doing so! In other words, the Catholic Church depends, absolutely depends on the authority established by Christ when he ordained the apostles at the Last Supper. And, therefore, the Devil is so successful because the Devil, remember, he succeeded with one apostle, Judas. Judas was possessed by the Devil. Do you hear me? And he lowered himself to be possessed by the Devil to betray Christ. There are Judases in the Catholic Church today. And I am quoting Pope Paul VI. He knew exactly what he was saying.

            Thirdly, and consolingly, God allows such massive evil in today’s world being perpetrated by the Devil because God, in his Infinite Providence, was – plans to give extraordinary blessings on the generation before us – the century to come.

  22. Steve Phoenix says:

    I appreciate the Marian Sisters trying to right the ship after the liturgical disasters of the last 4 – 5 decades. But I know we can always depend on the Novus Ordo for more clowns, more realpolitik-’Masses’, more chaos.

    Dont know what I mean? Here is a great collection of images by an Italian site—and so many of these types of things would fit right in at St Boniface in SF, or Most Holy Redeemer, or anywhere you like:

    I love the clowns! Hi, Fr. Joyce!

    • Well said, Steve Phoenix. I thank God that these sisters were preserved from heterodoxy and modernism. Otherwise, they wouldn’t present the great help they do today!

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