L.A. gay couple to marry on Rose Parade float

‘We’re excited to be part of that story’
Loots, Leclair

Loots, Leclair

The following comes from a Dec. 17 story in the Pasadena Star-News.

In a Tournament of Roses first, two Los Angeles men will celebrate their gay marriage on a Rose Parade float as it goes down Colorado Boulevard on New Year’s Day.

The wedding of Danny Leclair, 45, and Aubrey Loots, 42, will take place atop a giant wedding cake-shaped float sponsored by the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, according to a press release. It is the third float sponsored by the foundation.

“One of the things we’re really excited about is we’re standing on the shoulders of thousands of men and women who came before us in this fight for marriage equality,” Leclair said. “We’re excited to be part of that story, to be able to do this because of them. We’re looking forward to honor that.”

This Rose Parade is the first year gay marriage has been legal in California following the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in June.

Loots and Leclair own Studio DNA Salons, a chain of L.A. area hair salons.

The float’s theme is “Love is the Best Protection.” It will feature a large wedding cake, decorated in white coconut chips and maroon-colored kidney beans with white roses and dendrobium orchids.

Leclair posted the news on his Facebook page Sunday with the note:

“Umm??…??those two tiny men on top of the float is us! Hee Hee?…”

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  1. Yet another family venue goes down the drain. I can just imagine the questions that will be asked of parents when this float comes into view as it is broadcast on TV. We can boycott the show, write to the Rose Bowl committee and TV stations , etc, but we know that political correctness reigns.

    • Right on Bob. It’s “In Your Face” all the time with these people. I turned off TV years ago, now I’ll forego the Rose Parade or any Parade for that matter! We need to “push back” like Phil Robertson and stand strong like EnCourage families do. My brother said to me years ago that in time there will be more of them than us……we will die off like the dinosaurs…..hate to say that he was right.

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        Sandra,
        The difference is that we can die in the State of Sanctifying Grace, without sincere repentance, THEY CAN’T!
        May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!

        Viva Cristo Rey!
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Bob,

      Political correctness can and usually is just another name for Satanism!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!

      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  2. Homosexuality truly has a narcissistic component to the disorder. Why do the “gays” persistently shove this kind of stuff in America’s face? During the Rose Parade? Now the wholesome Rose Parade will not be family friendly viewing in 2014. I’m sure 99% of families do not want to have their children exposed to this deviant sort of display at the Rose Parade. Must the “gays” corrupt everything in America? Must the “gays” make everything about themselves and their disordered attraction? Must the “gays” assault family values? The answer is “yes” because they are narcissists. In my book, until “gay” goes away or until America pushes back against the gay-ification of our society, America will be imprisoned by the lavender mafia and there will be almost no escape for decent, normal people and their families. Count me out as a viewer of the Rose Parade this year. Another lovely American tradition ruined by the “gays”.

  3. Marriage is an institution established between one man and one woman. What is described in this article is same-sex lust. End of discussion!

    • Only it’s not. End of discussion.

      • Oh, but it is. Homosexual sex is perverted and unnatural, it serves no purpose other than the satisfaction of lust. No “marriage” can take place between persons of the same sex, marriage takes place only between man and woman. Anything else is merely a sham and has no validity. Pointing out the obvious is not “hate speech.” To support the homosexual agenda is to fly in the face of logic and Church and biblical teaching. Unrepented mortal sin leads to death, both physically and spiritually.

      • Peter, in other words, “You Vill like it or Ve’ll destroy you!”

  4. “Love is the Best Protection”?!!!!!! This is NOT love!!!! Are we next going to hear about boys attending purity balls where they will pledge to remain virgins before they “marry” another boy and then remain exclusive with each other for a lifetime? I think not! How much more deception and deviancy can our society withstand?!!!! God will not be mocked!!!! Jesus have mercy on us.

  5. As this article has nothing to do with our practice of the faith, why is it on Cal Catholic? It’s like the editor is inviting rage for its own sake…and not for any love of God. Editor, I think I pity you. I certainly will pray (I’m actually praying at this very moment) that you come, and soon, to understand God’s love for His most broken. And before the angry hordes demand that the correction of sinners is necessary in genuine love, no one gay would turn to these pages a second time after they meet the ugly, even nasty, rants that are the norm here, so don’t pretend anyone is being corrected here. No one is listening to the outrage here except a small group of like minded angry, unconvincing (and all too often self-righteousness) Pharisees with only a marginal connection to a genuine Catholicism in which love of neighbor might actually be recognized as love by the neighbor. Yes, I know this won’t get published Editor. Only those who hate gays and bishops get to be offensive and libelous here…again, I think I pity you, Editor.

    • Amen to that!

    • Ahem…?, This has EVERYTHING to do with Catholicism! As a result of the HERASY of Relativism, maybe you have forgotten that Jesus Christ HAS established his Kingdom here on earth and His earthly servant and leader is the Pope. Let no one be deceived this goes well beyond a war on culture, it IS a war with Christ’ Church which IS the Catholic Church. You and ALL the Queer activist, who post here, know quite well the true teachings of The Church and it IS precisely these teachings that you are determined to eliminate. Since these teachings can not be effectively burned, the only weapon you have is to change the definitions of Church teachings in the hearts and minds of Catholics as well as other men, women and children of good will. This IS the War that is going on! This IS the War which Satan and his followers have been waging on Christ’ Kingdom ever since Christ established it. The booty IS no less than eternal souls!

      Yes, this has EVERYTHING to do with the practice of our faith! And yes, war IS Ugly! Meditate on the Passion of Christ, if you are not convinced.

      Oh Mary Conceived Without Sin Pray For Us Who Have Recourse To Thee. And Pray For Those Who Do Not Have Recourse To Thee, Most Especially The Enemies Of The Church.

      • Your model of the building up of the Kingdom through War reminds me of the Romans, it reminds me of Herod. It reminds me of many vicious characters, but it does NOT remind me of my Lord Jesus Christ. While meditating on the Passion, as you recommended, I hear him praying for forgiveness for those who didn’t know what they were doing, and welcoming a convicted and self-admitted thief to heaven. You might meditate on the Gospels as a whole, where salvation of sinners, not their angry denunciation and damnation, is Our Lord Jesus Christ’s expressed mission.

        • Ahem, You are selectively reading scripture, not me. Yes, Jesus did pray for His enemies and so must we! Haven’t you heard that the Rosary is Mary’s weapon given to her children for the battle?! Satan is at war with God and His Kingdom. Satan recruits willing soldiers for the war who are both aware of why they are serving, as well as those who are unaware of what they are doing. Jesus was crucified for this reason! Jesus promised His followers that we too would be persecuted for the sake of His Kingdom.

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          Peter at least you have the courage to give your first name, I doubt this person’s name is Ahem.

          Ahem, are you blind? Your idiotic statement ” no one gay would turn to these pages a second time after they meet the (alleged, my addition) ugly, even nasty, rants that are the norm here” flys in the face of reality! Or are you one of those idiots who does NOT believe in reality?

          I am very concerned about what you are going to be permitted to say to Our Lord and His Mother on your judgement days!

          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
          Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          Ahem,

          So what would you say to the Mother of God who told Blessed Mary of Agreda in the “City of God” about the one man in the crowd who wanted to homosexually molest Our Lord on His Way to the Cross of Our Sins. She told Mary of Agreda that up until that time She had not used Her powers of intervention, but She did so on this poor soul, and had him thrown bodily into Hell, thus he is the only person up until now that is bodly in Hell. The fallen Angels have no bodies!

          May God have mercy on your sold to Satan soul,

          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
          Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        Tracy, 9:44 AM,

        On first thought I was going to correct you on your misspelling of “heresy”, but then I realized that it was not a misspelling but your way of making a statement of fact as in harass!

        May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
        Viva Cristo Rey!
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
        Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • Ahem…? : The editor remains anonymous here, but this site mostly functions as fodder for discussion, and if you look at the posts that have the highest level of interaction, the ones that are gay-related have by far the most activity. There’s an element of giving the people what they want, maybe… and it obviously generates traffic.

      What’s interesting is there’s a community of very like-minded people here, and it’s deceptive in that it gives the impression that the attitudes here accurately represent Catholics in California, or as a whole. Most Catholics I know don’t have any issues with gay marriage, or people. And a lot of the sentiment here isn’t even Catholic, as it’s more sympathetic to schismatic sects than the actual Church anyway…

      • Ann Malley says:

        “…Most Catholics I know don’t have any issues with gay marriage, or people. And a lot of the sentiment here isn’t even Catholic, as it’s more sympathetic to schismatic sects than the actual Church anyway…”

        Have you ever thought that perhaps what you consider mainstream Catholicism and normal Catholic sentiment is something rather new in the scope of Church history, Siollan? I doubt you’d have found such a casual brush off of ‘gay marriage’ even 30 years ago among Catholics. Why? I mean, really, ask yourself. How in the heck did that happen? And in so short a time.

        That said, why does there seem to be sympathy for ‘schismatic sects? Perhaps because what you describe as the ‘actual church’ in reality today is somewhat of a new bird. A new invention. Something completely different than what She was before. And not in a good way or at least not a Catholic way as the new philosophy seems to embrace the spirit of the world

        You raise very good questions, Siollan, and illustrate very well by your statements the reality that

        • Ann Malley says:

          cont:
          …what the Church teaches now is not what She has always taught, at least not in practice.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            YFC said ” If I was the poster that made that mistake, Catherine and Abeca would jump on me, no doubt, and say something like ” etc

            YFC Catherine and I are gentle ladies, don’t worry we won’t jump on you…..LOL

            You say things as if you knew us and it’s just hilarious on how your perception works….don’t worry about it. I’ve been told worst things…..but jump on you, well that is a new one….remember you are still talking to ladies…..women of faith. Please use proper dialogue if you want us to dialogue properly. Brian S I wonder if you are offended by his “jump on me” …that is a bit harsh don’t you think? Why don’t you be a gentleman and correct him. Lets see where your priorities are.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Notice you don’t dispute that you would attack me, another word for “jump on”. Because you know you would. Trust me Abeca, you may think of yourself as a gentle lady, and usually you are on here, but you definitely know how to attack others when you want to.

        • Siollan Murphy says:

          Ann, you’re illustrating my point here. You’re basically saying that the Church is no longer the Church, and there is presumably something more valid.

          But in regard to your other point; the Church really hasn’t changed much in the past 50 years, but society has. I would imagine that most of the most vocal homophobic voices here grew up in an era where gay people were either pariahs or deeply closeted (and functionally invisible), and homophobia was deeply ingrained in the culture. That’s what has changed. It’s convenient to selectively quote Church doctrine to condemn gays, but it comes across as a function of antiquated culture seeking bias confirmation more than anything.

          These days, most people know people who are openly gay, and understand that it’s something naturally occurring and inherent. “Conversion therapy” is nothing more than wishful thinking. Extramarital sex is equally sinful regardless of sexual orientation, and if marriage isn’t recognized, that’s a problem, as it’s the only available option.

          I don’t expect to convince you, but if you think that Catholics are automatically homophobes, you’re way off.

          • Thank you, Siollan, for further clarifying what I am trying to illustrate. You say, “…The Church really hasn’t changed much in the past 50 years, but society has.” **BINGO** Give Siollan the prize! The Church hasn’t changed and yet those who, and in full communion no less, casually accept gay ‘marriage’ or gay ‘sex’ as okay are now somehow still Catholic in their thinking. (That’s a whopper of a change, Siollan.)

            At some point you have to ask yourself, are you a Catholic who actually believes in what the Catholic Church teaches – the one you say hasn’t really changed much? Or are you a Catholic who considers herself Catholic despite willfully turning from the deposit of the Faith toward what the world teaches? Because that’s precisely what seems to have happened and which is why so many on CCD take issue with what you say – especially the ones that were catechized 50-plus years ago. (Make the connection?)

            If you are the former, a Catholic in a backward unchanging institution, why would you want to associate with an organization that by your way of thinking is homophobic? If you are the latter, believing that the Church’s beliefs are led by what the people have come to accept, how can you take issue with my assertions that the Church prior to VII had more to offer? Or that She has somehow changed? Obviously if popular opinion is the basis for belief then change would be constant. So where’s your problem with Traditional Catholics?

            That said believing Catholics *do* hold that homosexual sex is a sin, Siollan, no phobia about it, despite the indoctrination you’ve received. Although you seem rather fearful or agitated by those groups you deign schismatic. That is anyone who is honest in their appraisal of what’s going on in the Church.

            I don’t expect to convince you either, Siollan. But the questions you raise are ones that you should seek to answer for yourself.

            And that changed society wants to call itself the Church and change Her from within. As if Truth can be changed.

            You and your so-called Catholic friends/associates have changed. That is why you so casually discount ‘gay’ as natural and inherent ins

          • Ann, (I’m a he, not she, btw. Not that it matters).

            The nice thing about the Catholic Church is that it’s pretty uniformly anti-sex (except in one specific set of circumstances), and there are three levels of sinfulness; none, venial, and mortal… and virtually any kind of sexual activity outside of the procreative married variety (save for a natural infertility of some sort) is equally mortal in its sinfulness. So virtually everyone with a functioning reproductive system is equally guilty (at one point or another).

            So therein lies what is so obviously homophobic about 99% of the comments here. It has nothing to do with caring about the overwhelming prevalence of active sexuality (even among Catholics) outside what the Church approves of, and everything to do with the fact that… face it… It’s convenient to feel that you have some kind of divine sanction that validate an acculturated bias and prejudice.

            In regard to schismatic traditionalists, I’m not deeming them schismatic, That’s up to the Roman Curia. My issue is with laity proclaiming a schismatic sect is equal or greater in validity to the Church and still thinking that’s Catholic.

            I love how you use “Indoctrination” to intimate corruption or something. The Church indoctrinates by design. You go through most of your Sacraments before you develop an ability to think critically. Then you go out into the world and learn experimentally. Finding the indoctrination worthy of criticism is an essential function of reason.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Siollan, you are mistaken if you believe that the Catholics here have no problem with sodomy (that is anal and oral sex) practiced by married couples. The notion, even by misguided Catholics, that no holds are barred within heterosexual marriage is a myth. And that goes for those who use Humane Vitae to give their stamp of approval for ‘untive’ sex – be it oral or anal. The same goes with the whole sale looking away from artificial birth control (mortal sin) within marriage.

            That said, it is not correct to say that 99% are homo’phobes’, but perhaps homo’hypocrites’ as in they practice sodomy themselves (within marriage – hahah – all aimed at fun without fruit) while castigating open homosexuals. If those are the folks you’re calling out, I’m with you, as morality should be God centric, not whatever ‘society’ deigns acceptable.

            And I’m glad to see that you ‘love’ the intimations of indoctrination, for you are indoctrinated by a school of thought just as much as you believe Catholics to be. You are so steeped in it, however, that you do not see it for what it is. As for experimentation and learning, did you opt to learn math, science, and even how to read by trial and error? Or did you lower yourself to the sad tradition of indoctrination that was given to you as a gift, a gift based on the trial and error of those that came before you?

            You also say: “…My issue is with laity proclaiming a schismatic sect is equal or greater in validity to the Church and still thinking that’s Catholic.” And yet you still claim to hold positions that are somehow better informed and righteous than Holy Mother Church based on your own ‘life experience.’ That is hypocritical in the extreme, Siollan. For by your own words you give greater validity to your own way of thinking while declaring yourself to be a faithful Catholic.

          • Siollan, not sure what happened to my earlier response to you, but here goes again. You are incorrect if you think that posters here do not equally condemn the Sodomidical sexual practices that go on between married men and women (that is anal/oral non-procreative sex.) They do! This also concerns the condemnation of artificial birth control and abortion. If only you had just asked the question instead of pushing forward with what I’d term homo’hypocrisy’ not homo’phobia’. (Nobody here is fearful of sodomites, Siollan. But perhaps the ‘Catholics’ you know fit into this category of false fear as they do not want to look at their own sexual sins.) That said, it seems that you may fear being labeled as hypocritical concerning homosexual sex/marriage instead of taking the truly Catholic position of condemning the sin and scandal while trying to aid the sinner (And that goes for the married who are not living their vocation either.)

            If that’s what you’re calling out, hypocrisy, then you and I are on the same page as I cannot stand those ‘Catholics’ who indulge in/condone all manner of illicit whatever (all of it mortal sin) within ‘marriage’ and yet scorn those homosexuals who are doing much the same. And yet there is indeed an added sin that goes on with this new push for SSM as it is lauding the sin in a public forum. Or would you advocate Adultery Pride Groups or Kleptos For Free Stuff video taped stealing and keeping the goods because they just cannot help themselves.

          • Ann, I think you’ve defined the rigid/puritanical Catholic view of acceptable sexuality well enough… basically to illustrate that very few people (even those whose identities would appear to conform) are actually abiding by it.

            Whatever. It’s hard to take it seriously. It’s something that falls more into the category of ideals, and has WAY too much emphasis placed on it, to the detriment of the actual message of Christianity. The fact that you have to skip from the Old Testament to St. Paul for your guide to Biblical sexual politics should be an indication of its level of importance.

            I think you’re missing an essential point about schismatic traditionalists. It’s one thing to question some (incidental, cultural, largely Medieval) aspect of Church doctrine, and entirely another to lead an organized revolt against the authority of the Church. The latter really forfeits designation as Catholic. The former is basically… love or hate it, you’re stuck with it.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Siollan, thank you again for illustrating the shift/change in supposed Catholic thinking… or rather the thinking of tepid Catholics. You are a product of your time, not necessarily a product of that which is Catholic. That is why you find it hard to take what I and others say on CCD seriously or even Church teaching. Nothing is taken seriously these days – not even sin. (And Siollan, I’m speaking of far more than just sexual sin.)

            RE: “Ann, I think you’ve defined the rigid/puritanical Catholic view of acceptable sexuality well enough… basically to illustrate that very few people (even those whose identities would appear to conform) are actually abiding by it.)”

            And why do they not abide by it, Siollan? Because sin is tempting. It gratifies the flesh. It *feels* good. Wake up already. As to leading an organized revolt, be honest with yourself, Siollan. Be honest with the revolt in your own heart and mind to what the Church has always taught. For the ‘schismatics’ as you call them are only defending Church teaching. That which you intimate true Catholics reject by their actions.

            That said, Catholics are bound to obey in all things but sin, Siollan. That is a superior can order a subordinate to sin and/or put themselves in the occasion of sin and be rightfully disobeyed. So while you opt to mix/mingle with those who hold revolt in their heart and actions, I’ll stick with the crowd that steers clear of the mess for fear of losing the actual faith.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Ann Malley writes: “For the ‘schismatics’ as you call them are only defending Church teaching. “.

            Correction: The schismatics are defending what they THINK is Church teaching, not what it actually teaches. That is why they are schismatics.

          • Ann Malley says:

            YFC: You have no basis on which to determine who and what is schismatic as you cannot even answer a straight question about your own views on homosexual sex.

            That is why you are spinning full communion to intimate everything but Catholic teaching. And why there is specifically such ‘confusion’ in the hierarchy about the SSPX.

            At least they don’t cry Inquisition, Inquisition when put to the test. Or asked a simple question.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Ann Malley, you are right, I have no basis to determine who is schismatic: it is not I who declared SSPX to be schismatic. The Curial officials and the Popes themselves declared them to be so. Just because you refuse to listen to the Pope on the matter doesn’t mean that I am forbidden from reminding you of their admonishment to the Society.

            As to my opinion about homosexual sex, let me just say this: I think it is best to not invite others who have involuntary doubts about a Church teaching to create scandal by making those doubts known. It would be a sin for you to invite another to sin in this way. So please, when a person demurs about what he or she believes, perhaps you ought not to try to entrap them into the sin of scandal, lest you yourself be guilty of sin.

          • Ann, Love the word Tepid. What’s worse than pure evil? Mediocrity!

            YFC, your take on that strikes me as too nuanced and legalistic. Maybe it’s technically more faithful, but I don’t see why you’d want to embrace dogma that categorically marginalizes and excludes you, particularly something so flawed, and a relic of human influence so arguably in need of reexamination.

            Ann: why don’t people abide by the narrow dogmatic definition of acceptable sexuality? Some do. I would argue that historically, probably most haven’t. Change in the broader culture has really only exposed that. Catholic culture has a cherished history of regarding sexuality with repression and denial, and not denying sex as much as plausibly denying its acknowledgement.

            This functioned better when people married in their teens and mostly died by their 50s, Christian culture was the prime influencer of the broader culture, and anything deemed aberrant was shrouded in secrecy guarded by heavy shame.

            What is the origin and utility of any of this anyway? The origin is selective reading of the Old Testament, and he human culture of the early Church, skipping Christ altogether… The utility is maintaining a birth rate (which is valid), but gets seriously conflicted when the laity thinks its faith lies in prurient obsession with / condemnation of others sex lives over the Christ in Christian.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Actions speak louder than words, YFC. So when you let those on CCD know that you’re in a long-term, committed homosexual union, and defend SSM and the like, you do not have to answer ‘the’ question or express your doubts to make your position known. You do as much with every post.

            Much the same as I elude to my sympathies and support for the SSPX who has done so much aid the Latin Mass Community – all of them, especially those with diocesan approval. Or ‘full communion’ if you’d like. Just look at the track record of diocesan approved Traditional Communities built on the heels of the long, arduous, spit upon missionary work of the SSPX. (This is also why, despite your categorical dismissal, there is much dissension in the Church hierarchy about the Society.)

            So I’m NOT going to throw them under the bus, or encourage those with diocesan approved mass to do so. Much of what they have is owing to that which they claim/fear is schismatic. (And that is actual fear, for they fear excommunication etc.) That said, many religious and religious institutions of the past have been unfairly persecuted by Bishops, ArchBishops, Cardinals, and Popes of the past. That is nothing new. Much like one would be taught at the SSPX – nothing new at all. That’s the point.

            What is new, at least in the context of the Faith, is pushing for Holy Mother Church to advocate for that which has always been considered sinful. That is bad for the person… against God’s nature. Not so much evil of itself just because of the action but because of what it does and/or makes of the person/persons involved. The Same Sex push attempts to make true that which is not. Man and woman compliment one another.

            That’s why I find it so odd that you seem to hide behind this cloak of magisterial purity. That’s why I find it odd that you call others homophobic (that is fearing homosexuals) while it seems to be you who ‘fears’ scandalizing or perhaps fully embracing homosexuality while scandalizing/embracing 24/7 with your posts.

            Even so, thank you for your concern for my soul. I *APPRECIATE* it very much, YFC. God bless!

          • Ann Malley says:

            Siollan: You wrote to YFC:

            “…Your take on that strikes me as too nuanced and legalistic. Maybe it’s technically more faithful, but I don’t see why you’d want to embrace dogma that categorically marginalizes and excludes you, particularly something so flawed, and a relic of human influence so arguably in need of reexamination.”

            The above statement is precisely why CCD posters wonder if you consider yourself to be a practicing member of the Catholic Church. You don’t seem to respect and/or abide by Her teachings (that’s no slam, just an observation based on what you write.)

            That is also why it’s just weird that you’d bring up with any measure of seeming shock the sympathy you perceive to be show to ‘schismatic’ groups. You’re a schismatic in your heart and by what you write. That is you hold huge differences in what you believe and what the Church teaches. You just base your reasons on assumptions about what the people historically did or didn’t do.

            As for skipping over Christ, you might want to focus on His teachings regarding purity. They are there for you to read. That said, He was also a faithful Jew. A Jew who kept the law. Purity was part of that.

            Again, that’s not meant as a slam, but what do you consider the Catholic Church to be? A democratic movement based solely on science and human knowledge? Is that what the other Catholics you associate believe? Because if you wonder why YFC would just embrace dogmatic teachings…. even if he struggles with them…. it is because he is trying to maintain himself as a Catholic.

            That said, if you only consider yourself Catholic because you’re not technically ‘schismatic,’ that’s a pretty legalistic view, isn’t it? I mean, you supposedly say you’re Catholic, but like, you’re not really. … because most people aren’t in their hearts. Kind of like paying dues to some organization you neither respect nor agree with, but you like the name, so you keep paying the dues.

            I don’t get it, Siollan.

          • Ann, what an eloquent post you just wrote.

            To deny and demonize that which is and has always been naturally occurring, regardless of how prevalent and culturally entrenched such a denial may be, is what is truly against nature.

            If SSA is truly against God’s nature, why exactly would he impart it in even distribution across all populations, like left-handedness?

          • Catherine says:

            Ann Malley, God bless you for the excellent January 1, 2014 2:19 pm response! Ann, You are exactly right when you say that you find it odd for YFC to hide behind the cloak of magisterial purity when he promotes the homosexual agenda from a position of being in “full communion.” This odd runaround dialogue from YFC clearly showcases the same pattern of dark powers and nonsense that is often shown to faithful priests and faithful teachers and the faithful laity. The same dark powers and nonsense are still thriving in disobedience, and are hidden under the banner of being in “full communion.” These wolves in sheep’s clothing have deliberately scattered Christ’s sheep. It isn’t enough for these ravenous wolves to have scattered the sheep or to be able to carry on in their selective disobedience under the banner of being in “full communion” no, they are always compelled to show such vitriol and cruelty to those whose only crime was to want to truly BE in full communion in words and in actions. These are the wolves in sheep’s clothing who have compromised and they do not want a reconciliation with the fullness of Truth because they are reconciled to only serve the world…….continued

          • Catherine says:

            continued from January 1, 2014 at 5:05 pm post

            Ann Malley, Take for example the true story of a family that wanted to send their child to a school at an independent parish in our area for fear of their child being taught error. A pastor called the parent to say that this was wrong because the school is not recognized under the diocese or in “full communion.” Then Ann, this very same pastor invited a heretical spokesperson who WAS given “full communion” permission from the diocese to speak at this pastor’s parish. This is a spokesperson who is well known in this area for very anti-Catholic beliefs and an intense dislike for the authority of the Pope. Who do these wolves in sheep’s clothing think that they are fooling? They are certainly not fooling God. Ann Malley, This is the suffering of the Broken Body of Christ and many are praying for the uniting reconciliation of all of our dear brothers and sisters in Christ.

            Romans 8:28 And we know that to them that love God, all things work together unto good, to such as, according to his purpose, are called to be saints…..Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Ann Malley, may I offer the thought that if you read my posts in their entirety, not reading into them things that you might be projecting or things that you might imagine me to be saying “between the lines” as such, that you might not find my posts odd at all. I have explained quite clearly in some of my posts the broader reasons for posting what I post. I won’t repeat that post here. But one of the main goals I have by posting here is to show that the biggest violators of the Church’s stand relating to homosexual people are actually straight people who do not treat gay people with the dignity and respect that is called for in the CCC and magisterial teachings. If you and others really cared about full conformity with these teachings, you would admonish others on this site to conform to those teachings. Instead, you and others selectively single out gay people as the sinners on this site. As though our souls were the only ones in jeopardy. If you really care about the jeopardy of souls, you will be more even handed in your admonishments. “You” being plural for you and all the other anti-gay homophobic posters on CCD.

            Ann Malley, I assume you meant to use the word “allude” instead of “elude”? If I was the poster that made that mistake, Catherine and Abeca would jump on me, no doubt, and say something like “See, you really are hiding after all! Hiding in the darkness of the evil one who lures you into the depths of homosexual obsession”, or some such nonsense. I won’t stoop that low. I assume you made a simple mistake and aren’t hiding or evading anything from anyone. You just made a mistake. We all do. It isn’t some indication of deeper moral fault. But I bet Catherine and Abeca won’t jump on you, because they don’t hate you. It is me that they hate which is why I am held to a much higher standard than anyone else on this site, even going so far as to scrutinize my grammar for evidence of evil.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Siollan, there is nothing ‘elegant’ about it. Again I ask you why you cleave to the Catholic Church at all ? What is asked upon Baptism on behalf of the unbaptized is Faith, not reason and/or understanding or agreement. Faith. Similar in the way you take for granted that dog means dog when learning language from the cradle. Or that 1+1 actually equals 2. The higher the math function, the greater the ‘faith’ on which most people have to take the answer. We can use the formula, but can you explain and or understand every aspect of Physics or Calculus? Do you understand precisely how your car processes fuel or do you accept that it does and use your car to get to work?

            BTW: You are completely ignoring my questions to you regarding how you reconcile the deriding of those who cleave to what the Church has always taught, the teachings you admit have never changed, and your own circle who ascribes to holding schism in their hearts, minds, and actions while supposedly being Catholic. God aside, why would YOU do that?

            You ask why God would distribute SSA so even handedly if it were unnatural. Okay. Why would He allow blindness? Deformity? Illness? The same could be said of any human difficulty or tragic life circumstance. My answer to you is that if everything were permissible under the sun, there would be no test of love whatsoever. No sacrifice. No choosing to love God and suffer for Him as He has suffered so greatly for us…. even when we spit upon Him. Your method of reasoning would expunge us all from any culpability whatsoever. (Again, no slam intended, just observation.)

          • Ann Malley says:

            Thanks for your posting, YFC. And your kindness regarding my admittedly imperfect grammar/syntax. Having said as much, I want you to refer back to the days when you used to compliment me as I still believe that sodomy of any kind is a mortal sin. Even between men and women. In my view, as I believe Catherine and Abeca feel, much of the homosexual movement is based on the neglectful slippery slope of those ‘married heterosexual’ Catholics giving way on their own set of moral imperatives – that is follow your vocation and use sex for its lawful purpose. Otherwise, you cannot point fingers at others. (The push for SSM didn’t come overnight by any means. And nobody here with the ability to read would believe it did. But the line pushing needs to stop…. for everyone. That’s why there’s such a call for Tradition…. for everyone.)

            The difference, however, and this is not gay bashing or homophobia, is the very public nature of this same sex push as it is visibly scandalous. Much like a public figure who extols their view on mortal sin by way of lifestyle or vote and then goes on to be treated as if they are in full communion with the Church. It is a scandal. Much like a man who would bring his mistress to the communion line would commit. But I don’t ‘see’ a group formed to make that happen.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Catherine, thank you for outlining why I homeschooled my children. It wasn’t out of personal desire or pride by any means. Thank goodness, their grammar/syntax is far better than mine. Then again, that is likely due to the fact that they have young, uncluttered brains. And yet I wouldn’t trade anything to be young again. Theirs will be a much harder struggle than ours…. and so it goes.

            I pray we merit a bounty of faithful priests in 2014. And a more faithful ‘faithful’. That said, we often forget that faith is a huge, tremendous, GIFT! That is the ability to choose to believe. An act of the will, not feelings or the inclination of nature or the understanding of our puny, limited five senses. If that were so, how disappointing Heaven would be.

            God bless and keep up the good fight!

          • Ann Malley says:

            As a post script, YFC, I would also venture that your belief that Catherine and Abeca hate you is way off base. Yes, it may feel like they do. But they don’t. It is the sin you ‘seemingly’ endorse and embrace and wish to spread or pray becomes acceptable that they hate. Much like Our Lady hates sin.

            Also, if you find them to be hypocritical with regard to other types of sin, you may want to ask them what their views really are. Even as you are asking to be understood in your posts/views.

            If you reply back that their hate of you is inherent in their posts, I would put forward that there is a similar issue with your posts. As you may believe your intention to be one thing, pointing out hypocrisy, while it comes across as something completely different to the reader.

            God bless!

          • Ann: Threads here get convoluted, as responses sit in queue until the moderator approves them. My last response to you was in regard to another. I wasn’t ignoring a question.

            There’s no point, really, in endlessly stating the same positions (though you communicate yours beautifully, btw.) I’ll just say that the only “tragic life circumstance” inherent in SSA lies in encountering attitudes such as yours. I live in a place (SF) that has traditionally been a refuge of community for people fleeing hostile environments and often disowned by families for being born with an immutable characteristic. That is tragedy. And as society changes, the tragedy lessens. That is progress.

            My issue with schismatics is not as hypocritical as you seem to think. I have major issues with the Church, to be sure. I don’t care if others do to, even if I find them puzzling or antithetical to my own. However, I do see a lot of utility in having a unified Church. With over a billion adherents, I would also expect diversity and conflicting philosophy, even open dissent.

            SSPX is doing more than dissenting, it’s splintered off and declared itself above the Church, with the only hope of reconciling lying in an inflexible ransom demand that the Church conform to its vision of what it should be. And that’s not going to happen. So it’s functionally separated itself. That’s fine, but that puts it in the category of any other schismatic reform movement. However sympathetic you are, you can’t deny that.

          • Ann: I should answer your other question. Why do I cleave to the Church? Family history dating to 5th Century Ireland? (If not for Saint Patrick, I might be on Cal-Druid Daily). My parents’ magical gift of indoctrination and acculturation? Stockholm Syndrome acquired in parochial school?

            Catholicism is the frame of reference by which I came to understand the world. So there’s something indelible about that. It’s not necessarily a faith I would have chosen, but faith of one variety or another is universal, and this is the one I was given. There’s quite a lot that I appreciate about it, but lots that is worthy of criticism. I am obviously not as devout as you (in that I tend to see authority as inherently worthy of questioning). But whatever, everyone is born into a belief system and a community. This is mine.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Ann Malley, the word I used in my post is “hypercritical” not “hypocritical”. There is an important difference.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Siollan: Thank you for responding in full. It is most appreciated and makes for better understanding. At least for me.

            Now, having read your reasons for being Catholic, I have to say, and not to judge, that this does not constitute Faith, but culture. Again, no slam. Having said that, I can well understand your disagreements with the Church and your desire for unity in diversity. That is what our culture in the United States represents…. the great melting pot. (At least we used to melt and fuse together with the immigrant ideal, but many are working, it seems, to push for breaking factions apart so as to regroup the Legos.)

            I spent 23 years in the Bay Area and am well aware of the culture there – a culture that is not Catholic. That said, you make a good point about many of the poor souls being rejected by their families etc. (Not just Catholics to be sure.) But, and this is important, the same used to be said about the lame, the blind, the mentally disabled, the old, etc.

            It was the Catholic mentality brought about by the gospel that changed this rejection attitude for many. (A rejection that used to be quite natural as those perceived as abnormal in nature are usually rejected, killed, and/or left to die.) But never, when accepting a lame child, would one advocate the cutting off of legs for others if they feel an attraction to it. Nobody advocates that being blind as being fully functional or a lifestyle choice. I cannot fathom anyone who would opt to remain blind. That said, it is no lack of love that leads a person to state that which is reality – blindness is not the norm, being lame is not the norm, being barren even is not the norm for the species.

          • Ann Malley says:

            to Siollan cont:

            But we love our own as we should. And that love, for one of Faith, includes following the precepts of what leads to eternal life and avoiding, as closely as possible, that which leads to eternal damnation. One cannot embrace or welcome sin under the guise of love – for if one believes that Hell is real, the one who LOVES their child would practice the tough love necessary to wake them from their stupor and save their soul. Not because the ‘Church’ per se decrees it so, but because the Church has relayed the words/desires of God who is creator, master, Lord, etc.

            You may not hold these precepts, Siollan, based on your reasons for being Catholic, but many Catholics do. Base their faith on Faith, that is. By an act of the will. Because it is hard at times. Much like punishing a beloved child who cries and laments, pricking the heart of the parent who, despite wanting to, refrains from scooping up the child until they see their error and opt to try to do better. Talk to that child in exile, however, and you’ll hear all manner of venom against how unfair the parents are.

            So, while there can be disagreement on non-essentials, the core beliefs of Catholicism do not change, otherwise the Church would cease to be Catholic. I’d venture you have somewhat the same view of the threat of schism, but rather from a patriotic/home-team point of view.

          • Ann Malley says:

            That’s great about the difference between hypercritical and hypocritical, YFC. You are absolutely correct. I would say, however, that I’m absolutely correct in telling you that neither Catherine or Abeca hate you. Quite the opposite.

            If you don’t want to respond to that, no worries. But misunderstanding and false assumptions go both ways. Much like the sad reality of writing what we are convinced will be taken one way, but having it be interpreted by the reader as something entirely different.

            God bless you, YFC, and Our Lady protect you. Even if you don’t like Her Miraculous Medal. She’s praying for you, you know.

          • Ann: I love your writing. It’s beautiful. Not that I necessarily agree.

            This thread is WAY too long to find the Reply button, but I’ll give the culture v. faith argument to you. At least for the sake of argument. There might be a degree of truth to that, though not absolute. There’s really no way to simultaneously challenge dogma faithfully, so I don’t mind that at all.

            I really appreciate your thoughtfulness.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Ann Malley thank you for your true defense..you are absolutely right…I don’t hate him. I would welcome him and you and others into my home and feed you, cook you up a feast.

            If anyone preaches or brings an agenda against God, I will admonish because I love Christ. It is the soul that belongs to our Lord, and it should hurt us all when any soul is separated from our Lord due to their fleshly sins especially since they have free will and choose against the truth. It should hurt us all. I know that you too know this, you understand what is at stake. God bless you for your charitable heart, your words to YFC are noble and good.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            YFC its interesting how you would feel that way, but I actually feel that anything against God, are actions that hate. I want to be loved in the way that it leads me in the arms of our Lord. If anyone preaches the opposite of our Lord and His natural law, then I feel that they hate me enough to invite me to hell. Anyone that truly cares about anyone, even if they don’t understand the spiritual outcome, if they lead anyone towards sanctifying grace, then that person is worthy of my appreciation and gratitude. Today we lack friendships who wish to see us in heaven as well, many are just living this world without a care about the nurturing of their soul and love for our Lord. They lack fear, fear of the Lord. Perhaps they love the idea of God, in their own image, but do not have the elements that would lead them towards a personal relationship with Christ, that personal relationship also takes suffering, courage, and more…not just happiness of this world but joy that only comes when we unite our soul with Christ, making it His forever. That is the greatest joy! I’m sorry that you think ill of us….you are actually blessed to have people here who “love” your being more, because it shows because they care deeply about nurturing your salvation. The rest, well we don’t know you personally and do not have to proof anything to you…Our God is an awesome God, He knows our hearts and we know that we are not better but all it takes is a caring heart, one that takes the time. But you must not abuse us and our time, because you know very well how we will admonish any error preached against our faith.

          • Anonymous says:

            abeca, first of all, I think you are one of the true Christians who post here but I think you let other posters confuse you sometimes. Second, YFC does not commit the fleshly sins you are so concerned about. Thirdly, many errors go without being admonished. Many sins go without being admonished. Many preach or bring an agenda against God and against the Body of Christ and are not admonished.

          • Ann Malley says:

            God bless and thank you, Siollan, for taking the time to read my admitted exhaustive posts. Man, I can really get going.

            That said, I’m s glad to have had the chance for real dialogue with you. It is *always* a pleasure, even when parties don’t fully agree, to get the sense of being understood for what they’re trying to say.

            Take care and see you on CCD!

          • Ann Malley says:

            God bless you, Abeca, for your promotion of Truth and edifying witness to your * love * of Jesus Christ. That’s really what it’s about. :)

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous, you are correct, Abeca is a true Christian and that is why she knows precisely what she is about. That is why I suggest, most charitably, that you not underestimate her ability to discern. You are sadly mistaken in doing so especially in light of your own apparent blindness in discerning the consistent agenda of those you, for some odd reason, choose to defend.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Anony you are in total error. I am not confused. I won’t fall into this trap by making YFC the subject at hand. I feel that you are the one causing confusion. If you truly cared to nurture YFC in his spiritual life, you would have not made that comment about him. You need to be more honest because you know darn well what YFC advocates here.

            The father of confusion will not leave us has you divided. You need to understand fleshly sins are not just of sexual but of mind and actions as well, anything connected to the flesh that easily strays away from our Lord. Remember do not let your right hand know what your left hand is doing. Don’t also think that I will be bought with your flattery, you wanted to sound of as complimentary but I know better, you might as well stab me. You hurt my sisters and brothers in Christ, then you ill the rest of the body of Christ, I feel wounded too. I am no better than what you assume me, especially since you say I am confused. hmmm you are beginning to sound like another poster who uses another name but I can be wrong. We all hurt due to scandal. I don’t know which anony you are but if you are the same one that causes confusion by sounding faithful yet still calling another a faithful an evil witch or others insults, then I want no part…..

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Thank you Ann M….I try and do my best. Thank you as well. God bless you.

          • Anonymous says:

            Ok you’re not a Christian. Sheesh.

      • “What’s interesting is there’s a community of very like-minded people here…”
        Yes Siollan, that community is known as the Roman Catholic Community; and thank God they do not represent California Catholics as a whole.

        The “Catholics” who “don’t have an issue with gay marriage” are actually the “like-minded” ones. Ironically, Siollan, your tribe is the true schismatic sect, standing in opposition to the Faith and the Teachings of the Magisterium.

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        Siollan,

        The above comments and teachings from Our Blessed Mother apply equally to you!

        May God have mercy on your sold to Satan soul,

        May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
        Viva Cristo Rey!
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher

        • Kenneth: thinking that you’re speaking (and judging) on God’s behalf, and that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow under the influence of Satan is nothing divine. It’s plain old worldly narcissism. It’s also the subject of countless Biblical passages, none of them taking a kind view of the matter.

          • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

            Siollan,

            When I finish reading for the second time “The Mystical City of God, Blessed Mary of Agreda. I will give you page and verse where She said what I quoted from memory. I am reading this great book for the second time for that very purpose of indexing things of great importance. Fr. Aloysius Elacuria, CMF, whose cause is now under consideration was the one who told me to read those books because he said “when you do, you will know more about the Mother of God than most theologians with their crazy theories”. So your trying to tell me that I am under the influence of the one you are definitely under gives me great consolation.

            You ignore not only my pleadings, but those of many others who are concerned for your eternal salvation at great peril to your eternal soul. Satan is very pleased at how he has confused your soul!

            May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
            Viva Cristo Rey!
            God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
            Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
            Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

          • On whose behalf are you speaking when you advocate a pro-homosexual sex/ssm agenda, Siollan? You are judging, you know, when you call people homophobes for considering homosexual sex/ssm sinful. You are putting unfair, untrue labels on them.

            What are you afraid of? Being labeled as backward for upholding God’s teachings regarding human sexuality? Of what spirit are you? The spirit of the world? The spirit of science/academia? The spirit of popular opinion and misplaced compassion?

            There are many passages in the Bible – many that could be turned against your methods, too.

          • Kenneth, I didn’t say you were under the influence of anything. I didn’t know much about Maria Agreda, but I’d take 17th Century private revelation with a grain of salt, particularly in the veracity of fantastical details of events centuries earlier, totally uncorroborated. She looks like a fascinating figure, though. The Mystical City of God is thousands of pages.

            There is a profound arrogance in proclaiming someone has sold their soul to Satan (as you have said twice now), or thinking you are qualified to judge someone else’s soul and cast them into hell with a disingenuous “mercy”, as you seem to do in virtually every comment you make here.

            I don’t see a lot of Satan in the world (other than as a symbolic synonym for evil.). There is plenty of evil, though… and 99% of it is the product of common/human causes: haughtiness, myopic self regard, sense of entitlement, indifference to external consequences… Much more so than even malice, or anything supernatural.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Catholics profess Faith in that which is seen and unseen, Siollan. You know not of what spirit you are.

    • Ahem, you assume a great moral superiority based on “God’s love for His most broken,” and assume motives of those opposing you as the usual haters, bigots etc. Some of us might think that your persepctive is just a blatant expression of the narcissism we claim to see in gay advocacy. For you assume God’s love for you means God’s approval of your life-style, and there is evidence neither in Scritpure nor tradition for any such point of view. You childishly deem your opponents as Pharisees, without undertanding of the love of God or neighbor. For that you appear to me to be very uninterested in Catholicism as Catholicsism, but rather the latest cultural morphing of gay culture with Christian language.

      • Dan…sorry, but I find you truly unconvincing, especially when you get to narcissism. And when you speak of my lifestyle, about which I have said nothing and about which you know nothing, you reveal a stunning willingness to judge in ignorance…you might read up on those who judge others in the Scriptures…doesn’t look good. I pray for your conversion to Catholicism.

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          Ahem,

          So let’s look at Romans 1: 24-27 shall we: “Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their hearts, ” unto uncleanness, to dishonor their own bodies amongst themselves (hm, don’t you wonder what Paul meant about that).
          25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie (wonder what he means by that!); and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
          26: For this cause God delivered them up to shamefuf affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that which is against nature (explain that please).
          27: And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lust one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. (pray tell, just what does that mean to you?)
          28: And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge. God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient (why do you think God sees those things as not convenient?)
          29: Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers,
          30: Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
          31: Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.
          32: Who have known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death: and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

          NOW WE WANT YOU, AHEM AND OTHERS, IF YOU CAN, TO EXPLAIN TO US JUST WHAT THOSE PASSAGES ALLEGEDLY SAY TO YOU!

          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher

          • You can’t really take this out of context and expect to understand anything about it. Can I selectively quote the following passage?

            “Therefore you have no excuse, O man, whoever you are, when you judge another; for in passing judgment upon him you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things.”

            So here: This is the opening of a long letter from Saint Paul to members of the Early Church in Rome, which was comprised (probably entirely) of people who still identified as Jews.

            This passage appears to be taking a swipe at the prevailing culture of Rome, with the purpose of expressing solidarity with an audience of the early Church there, who were outsiders and persecuted cultural agitators in Roman society, and still forming a cohesive identity, but still identified as Jews. It’s notable that he had, as yet, not visited Rome firsthand, and appears to view it wholly as lost to materialistic excess (understandable, considering this was just after the era of Caligula).

            From here, it goes into depth at stressing the continuity of Judaism with the Messiah, taking great care to emphasize that Judaic Law remains unchanged, and covers in greater depth the central message of Christianity; forgiveness, salvation, the universality of sin, humility, pacifism, and the profound importance of the arrival of Jesus.

            If you choose to read Romans as a divine treatise against the Gays, you’re really missing the point.

          • Ann Malley says:

            It seems to me, Siollan, that Kenneth is interpreting this timeless scripture passage as a divine treatise against sin (which it is.). Or would you advocate that we just let the damn break until our society is no better than that under Caligula and then try to Christianize it.

            As for a cohesive identity, you seem to want the Church to work in an opposite direction, that is dismiss any identity or opposition against sinful inclinations based on the scientific.

            Times change, Siollan, people don’t. And most especially not their inclination to follow the baser instincts that would all but obscure the Christ in Christian.

            And it’s not all about the ‘gays.’ Nobody ever said it was. It’s about resisting that which is sinful (inherently bad for a person). That which leads to death, Siollan. And nobody is judging anybody – any person. It is the sinful action and promotion of sin that is being judged and rightfully so.

            For while you may not tell a Catholic friend that he will fry in Hell for leaving his wife and kids to marry his girlfriend, I would hope you wouldn’t council him to do as much. Or stand as his best man at the ‘wedding,’ because you cannot judge and wish him well. Wishing someone well, is helping them to achieve the ultimate good, the salvation of soul. At least in true friendship.

            What you seem to describe as not judging is more like not making waves – for yourself. As it is difficult. Much like the exercise of true charity.

  6. This is just more of the “In YOUR Face” action on the part of militant gays.

    Everyone must boycott everything to do with the Rose Bowl Parade.
    And boycott the AIDS Heathlcare Foundation for promoting sodomy.

    What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their own business. They have the right to choose Hell over Heaven.
    However, these sodomists are foisting their sinful lifestyle on everyone else.

    The best way to avoid AIDS and other Sexually Transmitted Desease is to abstain from sexual activity.

  7. The militant Homosexuals only set themselves back by doing this, it is not the right venue for marriage, it is the “Rose Parade” for heavens sake, not a gay pride parade. There is no such thing as gay marriage anyway, marriage is a bond between a man and a woman. They want to be accepted by society and agree with all that they do, the favorite word used by the Left is tolerant, yet the Left is far from that. If you do not agree with their agenda look out!! All gays don’t act this way and live a quiet humble life, I for one know many who are devout Roman Catholics and yes even Traditionalists who love the TLM, they find these actions to be quite embarrassing and serve only to stoke hatred against their kind.

    • it stokes hatred in the hateful. Understood.

      • Hate is purifying and there is nothing wrong with hating evil and perverts

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          Canisius,

          You are partly correct. There is nothing wrong with hating evil, but there is something wrong with hating those poor souls in the clutches of Satan!

          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher

          • Abeca Christian says:

            MR Fisher is right and his comment shows charity and we should have compassion for all sinners in the clutches of evil one. Definitely.

            Just think, we can very well be stuck in those ugly clutches and we hope and pray that someone will pity us enough to pray for us.

          • Mr. Fisher, its really hard for me to have compassion for those who I truly believe are a blight on the human race, they destroy body and soul

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Canisius while some are just not humble enough to get you….I can sense your noble heart and your fear to offend God. God bless you.

        • Except that it eats the person who hates from the inside like a spiritual cancer and deadens their soul. Several years ago some people screwed me so bad on a big gig that I was in danger of losing my business. I had several talks with my pastor and he convinced me that all my hate wasn’t hurting them, it was hurting me..bad. With his help, prayer and a good lawyer I came out OK both financially and spiritually. Canisius, please think about it.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            C&H there is righteous anger and hatred. Plus you can’t judge His heart, only God knows what is really deep inside. I tell you there is more hatred hidden in people who commit immoral sins, the ones who act out worldly love yet commit sodomy and other immoral sins against God and His natural law.

          • C&H here is something you should think about. My own personal experiences aside, do you ever wonder why many decent people detest homosexuals and what they have done to this culture and the Church. Pedophiles like Alan Ginsberg was consider a poet genius, despite the fact that he was a founding member of NAMBLA. Turn most network TV shows and who is 9x out of 10x the bad the straight white male, tell me gays in the media are not writing these scripts. The LGBT mafia brow beats anyone that dare disagrees with them or tries to ruin them. As for the Church well that’s a whole another story, my nephew was not that long ago harassed by a gay cleric, it ended when I threatened this vermin with physical violence. (yes liberals violence works, especially when used against you). No C&H you are not just like the rest of us, there is something very wrong homosexuals so please quit trying to tell me your normal. I read an interesting article where pedophiles say they are born attracted to children, isn’t that what you in the LGBT crowd say, you were born that way, tell me what makes them wrong and you right?

        • “Hate is purifying…”
          Oh, really?
          Jesus said something about “whoever hates his brother…” but I guess we can forget about Jesus.
          Let’s go back to “an eye for an eye” and all that fun stuff.

          • Michael, get this through your liberal skull.. there is nothing wrong in hating evil…. nothing…..I will go back to an eye for an eye so long as liberals are being blinded

      • Peter, do you love EVERY behavior instigated by your fellow human beings?

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          Canisius,

          He never said it would be easy, but that He would give you the graces to achieve it. For your information, I find it damn hard, but I must keep on trying. Some commenters on this Site drive me up a wall, and I have to beg God for the Grace to keep my cool! If you were here in my Office, you would see what i mean.

          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
          Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Janek,
      It is the actions that condemn the soul. If your friends are TRULY chaste, they are persons tempted, but they are not homosexuals!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
      Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

  8. Andrew Zepeda says:

    Our family will not be attending. First time in 30 years we won’t be there.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Andrew,

      My friend, knowing where you live, that is quite a sacrifice. God bless you for it. The late Fr. Dan Roughan use to let us use his strategically placed ladder on Colorado Blvd as long as we promised to first go to Mass, God bless his soul.

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
      Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

  9. aluminum oxide=corundum says:

    I was gonna attend the rose parade with my wife…not now, i refuse to watch 2 queen’s “mack” on a float!…uh-uh…i’ll stay home and watch a bowl game, and go to mass in the morning…in fact jan1, used to be a holy day of obligation…remember?

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Jan 1 is still a Holy Day of Obligation in the Traditional Churches!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
      Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Jan 1st is a Holy Day of Obligation…so go to mass and ask for God’s mercy for all the offenses that is happening throughout the world. Pray for the conversion of all sinners and to begin with ones’ own conversion….but before we can do that, we must also free us of any immoral sins…go to confession!

  10. I guess the question is if a man and a woman got married on a Rose float, would anyone say that they are being “in your face” about their heterosexuality or their Christianity?

    Now, I have no problem with people wanting to boycott the Rose parade over this. It is something that many find offensive, so why should they attend a parade with something that offends them?

    • Already Happened. Last year on the Farmers Insurance “Love Float”. This year they’re marrying three couples in a ceremony officiated by Chris Harrison, host of ‘The Bachelor’.

      • Exactly, Siollan. I guess those couples are being “In your Face.” Why can’t they keep their faith and religion to themselves instead of forcing everyone to validate their beliefs and their personal relationships?

        Or, maybe, they’re just living their lives and want to be part of the show on the Rose parade. Maybe they’re just so happy, they want to shout their feelings from the rooftops.

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          JonJ and Siollan,

          A parade is no place to be publicly married and goes futher to show the errors introduced by the so called Protestant (pro-test-ant) revolution, and you guys who at least profess to be Catholic should at least know that.
          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher

          • Everyone should boycott the Rose Bowl Parade.
            Don’t even watch it on TV.
            Eventually the sponsors will get the message.

            Marriage is not silly reality TV, but a sacred act instituted by God.
            It is a Sacrament, not a joke to be minimized on a float.
            And certainly not a promise to commit sodomy – homosexual acts.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            JonJ , YFC, others who keep offending what is holy from the natural law..I pray for you and pray you real love coming from the heavens..here is a quote from St. Gemma Galgani, I’m asking her for my intentions for you and personal ones:

            “It is an easy love, oh Jesus, to love someone Who never gets angry with those who
            offend Him. Indeed, many times I have seen, oh Jesus, that while justice demands that I be punished, You take steps to prevent this punishment, even to have it with­drawn. I have found a Jesus so infatuated with my heart that He knows not how to embitter it…”
            “Oh my God! … What would you wish to do, my compassionate Jesus? … Would you wish to make all Your merits mine? …give and appropriate to me everything that is Yours? … And can there be a heart that will not let itself be taken over by so much charity? Can there be a soul that will not let itself be won over? Can there be a soul that will not let itself be ravished by You?
            Oh my soul, how much longer do you wish to be so stingy with Jesus? … Why so negligent toward Jesus who made you? Why so lazy toward Jesus Who redeemed you? Who do you want to love, if you do not want to love Jesus?” – From the Diary of St Gemma

        • JonJ, some people are happy to choose Hell over Heaven. And that is their own business.
          However, you are forgetting about the MORTAL SIN of SCANDAL – publically setting a bad example for others – which clearly in this case approves of homosexual sodomy.
          Homosexual Acts – even if approved by the State are Mortal Sins.
          It is clear you do not know the Catholic Faith.

          CCC: “2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

          • Perhaps Andy,

            But why pretend that you object because they are “in your face” and “obnoxious”? You basically object because they’re gay and they aren’t being celibate. Getting married on a float isn’t what offends most of you, that’s just a pretense so you can say that you aren’t biased.

  11. This Stunt is cultural Gorilla Warfare! Entries to the Rose Parade are made more than a year in advance. The two men, who will be riding on the AIDS float mocking Marriage, entered a contest back in the Fall of 2012 to win the chance to do this. The COWARDS at the Tournament of Roses Committee have strategically CHOSEN to keep this stunt secret until a few days before the Parade!!!!!! Youth and adults from across the country, and some from around the world have worked hard to fundraise, as well as physically prepare for this parade for months. Advertisers have already paid their fees. Tourist have already booked their flights. The Tournament of Roses committee members KNOW what an offense and outrage this is!

    The Queer Activist KNOW that this parade has over 80 million viewers from around the world!

    Are we willing to lay down our lives as the early Christians did? Let’s fast and pray for all of those individuals who have chosen to participate in this years parade, sometimes at great sacrifice, who will now be given a choice between their faith or their pocketbook and reputation.

  12. I grew up in the time of the WWII greatest generation. Sadly I am dying in the time of the lesser generations. America has become a deviant, sinful and wicked nation. Killers of their own unborn flesh. Defilers of what is good and pursuers of wicked things turning our daughters into whores and our sons into whoremongers. A nation that deserves the likes of Obama and the woes he is bringing upon us. For they are only the beginning.

  13. Abeca Christian says:

    This is a stupid article and right before Christmas! Why are we giving this publicity! WHY the heck does a Catholic website feel the need to give this story more publicity and to even give them a face of celebrity status! Even their picture makes me grossed out. UGGGG how backwards we have become and how part of the problem we become! Where is the common sense!

    The Devil loves this type of neutral exposure…..let the liberal media cover this but on my precious website….NO WAY…now if you want to write about someone in the faith sharing its distaste for this and how to protest it, then fine but to give them this neutral publicity is appalling to me! Even their business got free advertising….UGGGG

    • Abeca: I, for one, am glad they printed it. It gives innocent people, who did not know this evil and perverse display would be shown, the knowledge to not watch this parade. Imagine if people don’t know this is going to happen, how many innocent children and mortified people there would be. At least we have the choice NOT to watch it and accidently expose children to it.

    • We are giving this publicity so that good people will not take their children to the Rose Bowl Parade and see the promotion of sodomy.
      Pass the word.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Really PETE? Then why not write about it in our own words as a warning, this article seems neutral not like its warning us, its informative and it also comes off as publicity…not against it, its more neutral….and since they allowed a comment from JonJ to go through …jonj took it upon himself to offend a good priest by calling him a bigot here on this website…it was allowed to go through…..

        GUESS what folks by JonJ’s standards, we are all bigots, Even God is a bigot to him because our Lord handed down to us the NATURAL LAW! and the saints who spoke against sodomy and homosexual relationships…in JonJ’s theories….they are all bigots…there was another poster here too in the past who called the church bigots! I see that the word Bigot is abused and misused often….

        I just think it’s shameful that people are allowed to “use” a Catholic website to post verbal abuse on the people of faith and against good holy priests! They use this website to slander and name call people of faith! They use and abuse this website to name call…….a Catholic website….. I can understand that happening in a secular setting etc…..where there is censorship of anything moral but on a Catholic website, where it is the only place where we can find refuge and speak the truth and hope to be defended but instead they are also allowing the dissenters to name call unjustly towards people of faith. It is shameful! Hurtful and it works against the mission of the church! JonJ is one who throws the stone on people of faith….he choice to stone throw words on a good and faithful priest! That is unacceptable! He may tell us off, he may even name call me or others here but don’t mess with a good priest, he is not allowed to defend himself, he is humble and kind of heart. It’s not different than when someone wants to attack the unborn, they attack our faithful priests, they attack an innocent child too……shameful behavior JonJ, you owe an apology to Father! A priest is to give guidance on salvation issues….its best that you start looking to grow in grace with our Lord, that could be your New Years Resolution!

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Abeca,

      CMC is providing a valuable service by letting us know what is in store for those who still watch this silly parade!
      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Well everyone is entitled to their point of view but somewhere we need to draw the line..a good line, one that produces good fruit.

  14. Good for them. I wish them a long and happy life together.

    Seriously, What’s the point of posting this? This makes them gay couple number 80,000+ to be legally married, in 18 states that allow it, with two added this week. The only way this would be even remotely relevant is if they were in Utah or NM (where at least gay marriage is news), or if this were some kind of Catholic venue, not a secular parade of floats constructed of flower petals followed by a college football game. (Football, all that is good and holy).

    At what point does the capacity for constant outrage wane? Maybe it’s best to save some energy for milestones (like when a majority of states tip in favor, when the Supreme Court imposes federal law on the last few holdout states)…

    • God’s laws are not changed or voted on by humans.
      Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to their sinful lifestyles.
      We must never tolerate sin.
      We must never allow our children or society to become immune to sinfulness.

      • Have you ever read Genesis 18-19? It’s a mess of a story if you’re looking for some coherent message on sexual morality.

        Lot offers his virgin daughters as sex objects to an angry mob (totally fine and moral), and later impregnates both of them, which is apparently just fine as well.

        Even the inference of homosexuality hinges on how you choose to interpret the word “know”, and a vague, unspecified reference to “grave sin”, of which the interpretation varies widely, and has been translated back and forth between multiple languages over millennia…

        • Hey, Siolan, but Lot was the “only moral man” in Sodom. Guess its ok for a man to offer up his virgin daughters for a crowd to gang rape and impregnate them later as long as he wasn’t having gay sex.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            JonJ the fact that you would bring up and magnify that example of the daughters shows clearly your dissent and lack of understanding of the thinking of those times. Especially lacking their views on protecting their guests…. Even when one of God people wanted to sacrifice their young son, offering him as a sacrifice, thinking they were honoring what God wanted them to do…notice that both instances they were stopped….but who is stopping us now….looks like people have grown more further away from our Lord, even way after the birth of our savior.

            yes we don’t agree with some of the choices that they made but little did we know God’s plan…..surely we can’t explain it because it is not our own…we can be inspired which leads us to hopefully humility….it is that ugly pride that helps us miss the real meaning of God’s plan. We always want answers and refuse to follow like little children. Pride takes away the child like innocence that we need to follow Christ. In those times, they had those child like features, God’s people did…they didn’t have all the modern conveniences, I’m sure they lived more humble ways….we have come so far, all because of God’s mercy and love for all sinners…..

          • Abeca, noticing Lot’s immorality is the key to understanding his story.

            Lot’s family and Abraham’s family were having strife and thus Abraham suggested a separation. Lot chose the well-watered plain of Jordan, leaving the hill country to Abraham.

            That “well watered plain” was clearly wealthier, but led him to wander close to the wicked city of Sodom. Lot wasn’t entirely overcome by Sodom, such that he was righteous enough that God would send the angels to warn him, but he didn’t get off scott free from his association with wickedness. His sons-in-law refused to leave, his wife turned into a pillar of salt, and his daughters got him drunk and engaged in incest in order to have children.

            I guess the lesson is that straying close to wickedness does not mean that God will abandon you, but that you still will pay a cost.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            JonJ yes there are consequences to all sin but some sins that are more severe do cause us to leave God, some sins if one does not repent cause us to lose heaven. I know that biblical verse very well, it also gives good clarity of what happens when we disobey and are tempted.

            But it’s not an excuse for us to continue to sin. We must choose the cross, remember they did not have the cross in the old testament. We know better today and yet people still choose to defy God. It’s a tragedy and a pity.

  15. John Feeney says:

    Well isn’t that special!

  16. Father Karl says:

    Fellow Catholics, please do not watch the Rose Parade on New Years Day. What will take place is a scandal and a mockery of Catholic morality. Attend Mass on this Holy Day of Obligation, and make a Holy Hour or pray the Rosary with your family and friends, which will bring you more graces and blessings than you could ever receive by watching the Rose Bowl Parade. We Catholics must stick together in this fight against Satan and his evil legions, so boycott all this trash, and anything else that could danger or damage your immortal soul. Our Catholic faith is the pearl of great price, so please do not throw it away.God bless you, and I wish a very Holy and Joyous Christmas to all Calcatholic readers.

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Thank you Father Karl….will do…we will be at Mass instead and playing tennis too, later on that day….if weather permits.

  17. Abeca Christian says:

    Go to savecalifornia.com to help protest this great evil! SaveCalifornia.com reported on this and they did not come off neutral they simply asked others to protest it….God bless all who are encouraging all to protest this great evil!

  18. Thank you Abeca!

  19. Abeca Christian says:

    Also I want to inform others that here in San Diego, one of our local news channel, a secular channel…reported on this parade but it was actually not in the tone that in which it was given here, they did not give it free advertising.

    Instead, They actually reported that, I can’t recall who, is on facebook asking people to boycott the parade this year because they are not informing people what is actually going to occur there with this same sex mocking of marriage. They mentioned that on facebook someone was warning many and was asking many to please boycott it. They gave publicity and air time to a few who want this parade to be boycotted and to inform the unsuspecting public! That is what this website should be doing, they should be giving publicity to the folks and organizations who need it and who want to spread the word on how to boycott this rose parade!

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Abeca,

      As I see it, that is exactly what CMC did, because of this posting I passed the information on to countless others!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
      Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Mr Fisher I guess I would have to say I preferred how others passed the word around without giving to much free publicity to their business and sounding off neutral…I guess we can agree to disagree but all in all I appreciate your care in the matter still….God bless you richly for your big heart.

  20. Father Karl is correct, we should all take his advise and follow his lead written above. Go find and attend a Roman Catholic Latin Mass on the New Year’s Holy Day of Obligation honoring the Circumcision of Our Lord and Purification of His Holy Mother. That is the way pre-conciliar Roman Catholics used to start off celebrating their New Year’s Holiday. You know Our Lord’s circumcision was the first time He bled for us. Blessed Virgin Mary’s purification was truly unnecessary; however She obediently abided by Judaic Law.

    If our innocent children watch this scandalizing act of defying God at the Rose Parade, (and you can bet the TV networks that cover the “hitching” will give it plenty of prime-time coverage over and over again) it makes me quiver to recall from the holy Douay-Rheims Bible:
    Matthew 18:6
    But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.
    Mark 9:41
    And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea.
    Luke 17:2
    It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones.

  21. First the Boy Scouts, now the Rose Parade! Where does it stop?

    • There is nothing new under the sun. This is a modern day repeat depiction of Sodom and Gomorrah being widely televised, praised and honored for a decorated float that is rolling down the broad road to hell. No amount of perfumed smelling roses will cover up the rising sulphuric stench of the real organizer behind all of this evil. The Rose Parade officials may as well create another float following this mockery of God with the devil shown comfortably resting in a great big hammock tied between two California palm trees. They can proudly depict their new master as sipping ice tea from a straw while cleverly calculating his projected cruel victories over certain souls and all while still grinning at the many people he has also duped into action by their participation in supporting the mocking of Almighty God. Did the City of Pasadena also lack the 10 just and righteous men to stop this shame filled event? Many are still being lulled into the diabolical disorientation that Sister Lucia of Fatima said was sweeping over the entire world. The Pasedena Rose Parade organizers have freely chosen to mock God on an international level and scandalize the entire world by arrogantly displaying the spiritual and moral bankruptcy of this age. God had the final say in Sodom and Gomorrah. God Will NOT Be Mocked in any age!

      Apocalypse (Revelation) 1:8 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
      I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, saith the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

      Apocalypse (Revelation) 21:6 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
      And he said to me: It is done. I am Alpha and Omega; the beginning and the end. To him that thirsteth, I will give of the fountain of the water of life, freely.

      Apocalypse (Revelation) 22:13 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
      I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

      • Ann Malley says:

        “God Will NOT Be Mocked in any age!” How true, Catherine. And yet, like the chosen people have always done, we press God’s mercy to the limit foolishly ignoring that, “…mercy without justice is the mother of dissolution,” according to St. Thomas Aquinas. And similarly, “…pardon without repentance negates justice.”

        We convince ourselves much like those who never expected their lives to be torn apart by hateful murder, tornado, fire, flood, or any earthly tragedy that THAT could never happen to ‘US’. That is until the event happens. What fanciful grasshoppers we are.

        And yet God, bless Him, does not change. That said, Catholics should be encouraged to read the Old Testament. For it is not only the advent of the Christ Child in the New Testament that stays the rightful hand of God’s wrath, but rather the Cross, the sacrifice of Our Lord that many (even church leadership) seek to debauch, degrade, push aside, break apart, minimize, mock, and/or make a joke of. And yet I doubt those same folks would be foolish enough to downgrade or get spotty with the payments on a insurance policy while living in a flood zone. That would be unthinkable! And yet they ignore God’s commands and Providence when it comes to the ways/means to keep from provoking His just wrath.

        I don’t think an Insurance company would pay out after a flood if a person built a downward sloping canal leading straight to their basement. Especially not if the Insurance company kept sending out notices, amidst the gathering of clouds, to cease and desist said behavior. And yet we expect God to save us when we willfully look Him in the eye and spit and curse and claw and call Him out as all manner of filth.

        God have mercy on us all!

  22. Abeca Christian says:

    Those who commit these types of scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, but I’, here among you to prevent something far worst for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal- who allow scandals to destroy faith- are guilty of spiritual suicide. — St. Francis de Sales

  23. Abeca Christian says:

    You must ask God to give you power to fight against the sin of pride which is your greatest enemy – the root of all that is evil, and the failure of all that is good. For God resists the proud. — St. Vincent de Paul

  24. It puzzles me why the Tournament of Roses President, Executive Director and Committee members would sanction this repulsive farce and insult to Almighty God. It seems they have long had a policy of not getting involved in hot button political issues, and have now violated their own policy. They have sullied their own pristine reputation which they will never fully get back. The acclaim they expect from the corrupt media in this country is no substitute for the lost goodwill of millions of people of faith.

  25. Siollan, everyone who chooses to be “Catholic” must abide by the ‘CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition” in entirety.
    For more info regarding the CCC, including quotes from Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict, and Pope Francis go to: “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”.
    http://whatcatholicsreallybelieve.com/

    Doing your own thing can send you to Hell for eternity.
    Our time on earth is but a fleeting moment in the scheme of things.

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