Anti-reparative therapy ban challenged

The Sandusky argument

The following was released by Liberty Counsel on November 19.

Liberty Counsel filed its reply legal arguments and rebuttal declarations in federal court in its challenge to the new law (SB 1172) that bans any counseling to diminish or eliminate same-sex sexual attractions. Liberty Counsel represents several parents and their children who are receiving and benefiting from such counseling; several licensed counselors who provide such counsel; the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality; and the American Association for Christian Counselors, an organization with about 50,000 professional counseling members.

“This law places the state between the client and the counselor,” said Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel. “This law intrudes on the fundamental right of self-determination to seek counseling that aligns with the client’s religious and moral values. This law forces counselors to overrule their clients who choose to prioritize their religious or moral values above unwanted same-sex sexual attractions,” said Staver.

Liberty Counsel filed a federal lawsuit against SB 1172 on October 4, 2012. Representing the state defendants, the California attorney general filed its opposition to the suit and added declarations from two purported experts seeking to justify the law. Liberty Counsel filed its reply legal arguments and thoroughly rebutted the two declarations filed by the defendants. The issue is not a battle of experts, and, if it was, California’s experts woefully fail to justify such an intrusive law. This issue is the state injecting itself between the counselor and the client and forcing the client to receive only one viewpoint on same-sex attractions. California has no compelling or empirical reason to justify SB 1172. This law is politically, not scientifically, motivated. The state has no right to force counselors to provide and clients to receive only one viewpoint on same-sex attractions.

“This law is an astounding violation of the right to free speech and religious liberty. Clients have the right to receive information that aligns with their values, and counselors have the right and the duty to provide information to help the clients in pursuit of their right to self-determination. Under SB 1172, a young boy sexually molested by the likes of a Jerry Sandusky who develops an identity crisis, emotional stress, and who begins to experience unwanted same-sex attractions, will be further hurt by a law that deprives him and his family the option of receiving counsel that aligns with his religious and moral beliefs,” Staver concluded.

A hearing on the preliminary injunction is scheduled in Sacramento federal court on November 30, 2012. SB 1172 becomes effective on January 1, 2013.


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  1. This immoral, ridiculous law should be a reminder of the tyrannical forces of evil running the state of California, and the mark of Satan on our political power-brokers. Only a giant Satanic deception could take supposedly intelligent people and endow them with incredible stupidity and bigotry to pass such a law. Let the counselors do their work, and help those who ask for it. God desires that this work continue, because it brings Him honor when those stuggling with SSA seek His help for healing. I have seen such examples of healing, and have seem His hand of blessing.

  2. one way or the other it’s another example of the tyrannical state usurping the rights of the parent.

  3. Also, these therapists can change the name of the type of therapy, and thus not be vulnerable to this law. The state seems to be nationalizing not only religion, medicine, and therapy but also the family.

  4. Stealing thunder from the rainbow triangle ”Safe Space” sticker of the ”Anti-Bullying” pressure forces: A California State shape filled with neon/dayglow ” rainbow” colors – neon pink, deathscort neon orange, bright chartreuse yellow, neon green and lavender – none of them natural colors of God’s rainbow warning the world that the next cleansing will be by fire rather than water – with the motto ”Stranger Danger! UNSAFE SPACE (all of unnatural neon rainbow California) for Youth Vulnerable to Traumatic Early Sexualization”.

  5. Larry from RI says:

    Praise be to Liberty Counsel.
    Donate to Liberty Counsel who are fighting in the trenches (courts) and winning many times.
    These guys are carrying on our fight for freedom and justice.
    Right on Liberty Counsel!!!!!

  6. The State of California (and its public education system) is on a course to completely control the raising of all children. If parents take their rights back from the state, you may return to fiscal sanity and some traditional values, but one by one they are being outlawed. First it has to be recognized that public education is in fact the indoctrination center for the far left wing of the Democratic Party. When citizens take control you may have the basis to begin to repair the damage done by the so-called “Progressives”. There is much to do, and it’s far past the time to begin the work of kicking the one-party rule out of Sacramento.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:


      In order to kick out one Party rule in Taxifornia, massive voter fraud has to be brought under control! We need to get on our knees and beg God to intervene!

      Viva Cristo Rey!

      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  7. Maryanne Leonard says:

    Force-feeding the philosophies du jour onto the public is not the proper role of the State in a land purportedly established in the name of freedom.

  8. There was no dissent permitted in Sodom and Gamorrah either.

  9. Male homosexuality leads to AIDS and many other sexually transmitted diseases as it employs an unnatural route not intended for that use. Lowering the incidence of the homosexual affliction should be in the interest of society. California has it exactly wrong.

    • Mark from PA says:

      “Lowering the incidence of the homosexual affliction!!!: The only way to have less gay people is to encourage people to have less children since a certain percentage of people are gay. At some point, we may be able to find the genetic markers for some gay people but I am pro-life and I think using this to get rid of potential gay people would be immoral.

      • Typical gay mentality that you display, PA, in suggesting, slyly that gays should be eliminated instead of repaired. Those, of course, who refuse to be repaired, will be eliminated by God at the final Judgment.

        • Mark from PA says:

          Well, Anonymous, maybe God loves gay people and will welcome them to Himself, even those that have been eliminated by those that hated them. Perhaps people that feel hatred in their hearts for those that are different from themselves, are the ones who are in even greater need of healing.

          • Mark…If we felt hatred for gays we wouldn’t be concerned about their eternal welfare. Those who encourage and support the sin of homosexuality are in fact leading our gay sisters and brothers into possibly losing their souls and therfore the happiness of Heaven….

          • Seek out “Courage” ad on this site to find the Way of freedom.

          • Mark from PA says:

            Jcross, I have written many times of Courage here. I actually had a warm friendship with a woman that worked for Courage in the New York office. We spoke on the phone and e-mailed regularly. Their office has moved out of New York and she no longer is with Courage. I think the Courage ministry does some good but I do think that they should end their close association with the NARTH organization. NARTH has their own agenda and I think that in a way they use Courage.

          • As for NARTH, my understanding is that they have been so successful that the gay lobby is bent on discrediting and attacking it as often as possible, so that it is no longer thought of as credible treatment for those engaged in homosexulaity. The possiblity of change or healing is a threat to those who refuse to acknowledge or are in denital of this sin…

          • Mark from PA says:

            Ronnie, homosexuality is not a sin. The Catholic Church does not teach it is a sin to have a homosexual orientation. Promiscuity is a sin but a lot more heterosexual persons are promiscuous than gay people. In fact there are more promiscuous straight people than there are gay people period.

          • Exactly. Homosexuals are not broken and do not need fixing. We are exactly as God intended.

        • God does not eliminate people, not even at the final judgement. No souls are ever destoyed or brought to non-existance. I suppose that you might have meant condemned, but it is not necessary to have reparation therapy to avoid hell. The suggestion to look up COURAGE was a good one. They have a catechesis on their webpage.

          • Mark from PA says:

            Anonymous, I was not speaking of God eliminating people but of people eliminating people. For example, someone who commits violence against gay people that ends in the victim being killed or killing themselves. Look at Uganda for an example, where the government is thinking of eliminating gay people through capital punishment. They are thinking of making it a crime to be a homosexual.

        • Peter: pedophiles claim they are not broken either, they are as God intended, perverts flock together…

    • Mark from PA, – ‘same sex attraction’ (temptation) is not a sin.
      Homo-sexual ACTS are Mortal Sins.

      Please be more specific in your posts for accuracy.
      Just saying ‘homosexuality is not a sin’ mis-leads many to sin.
      SSA is not the same as those lving a life of homosexuality. Temptation is not a sin if we turn from it.

      The Church teaches that ALL sexual activity outside of marrige (between one man and one woman) is a Mortal Sin.

      It is wrong of you or anyone else to justify one mortal sin by saying others are committing other mortal sins.

      • Mark from PA says:

        Max, where I live the term SSA or “same sex attraction” is not in common use. I have actually never heard anyone use this term in speech and never heard of it before I had the internet. People where I live use the term gay. From what I understand the term “same sex attraction” was invented by NARTH and they prefer to use that instead of gay. I find the term SSA to be something of a put down.

        • “Gay” is a political and/or social term. It refers to anyone who favors sodomy. All sodomites are condemned by God.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Skai yes you are correct “gay” is that and also an agenda, also with rich gay’s it is also a mafia.

        • The name of the condition of same sex attraction may have been coined by NARTH, but the condition pre-existed the new term. It really is stupid for stupid or perverted people to express their envy over the innovation of others. PA, you have to begin to understand that true creativity comes with faith and union with God, not with perversion or false teaching.

  10. Courage has grown in leaps and bounds over the last several years attesting to The Truth it puts forth. Narth does some good i suppose, but The Church’s ministry of Courage has the perfect answer in frequent reception of Holy Communion, confession and prayer to receive the Grace of God to enable change of behavior, not necessarily “feelings”, although feelings can diminish as with any sinful behavior. An October 19, 2012 largest study ever of 121,000 adults Gallup Poll finds only 3.4% of American adults identify as LGBT. It would make sense to think that there are more sinful “promiscuous” “straight” people. But what sense will that make when we meet The Lord face to face and have to account for our sins only.

  11. Mark…Of course there are more promiscuos straight people because they make up 97% of the population…. But the rate is much higher in the gay population….

    And maybe you misunderstood me…I’m not suggesting that being gay is a sin. God loves all of us straight or gay. But engaging in homosexual activity like straight people who have sex outside of marriage, is a sin…. No, gay marriage is not natural in case you start advocating for it..
    And there is no genetic basis for being born gay therefore, it’s a disordered orientation which if acted upon is a sin….And lest we forget, we all have some kind of a disorder but it’s our choice whether to choose life or death…..

    • Mark from PA says:

      Ronnie, thank you for stating that God loves all of us straight or gay. I have seen those Westboro Baptist people with their “God hates fags” signs. To me this is the opposite of Christianity. Sadly some here have the same mindset. That is why I make some of the comments that I do. I feel that young gay people need to be affirmed in their goodness and personhood. From what I have read, homosexuality in males is affected by hormones in the womb before they are born so biology is part of this. To me this is just a biological difference, not a defect or disorder.

      • Well PA you are wrong and you just confirmed what I always knew, you want gayness affirmed, well I never will affirm filth….

      • Of course, Westboro is a sick hate group and does not represent Catholics any more than the sickos on MSNBC respresent all Democrats. …Affirming someone in sin is wrong. Affirming someone’s goodness is absolutely necessary. But we need to separate the person who is a homosexual from the sinful behavior….As for the root cause of homosexuality, no one really knows but I’ve read that it begins in early childhood usually from some abuse or neglect. Healing is possible….Jesus is the answer…

        • Mark from PA says:

          Ronnie, homosexuality doesn’t come from abuse or neglect. In males there seems to be a biological link. Before a baby boy is born, he is affected by hormones from his mother. There are minor biological differences in gay men. I think that abuse and neglect can be a factor leading to promiscuity in gay men. Some people who are gay were abused by their parents but it seems that this might have been in a reaction to the parent viewing the child as
          “different” and mistreating the child because of this. So the mistreatment was a result of the child being gay not the cause of the child being gay. I am speaking of males here. I don’t know as much about females. It seems that a smaller percentage of women are true lesbians, maybe only 2%. A higher percentage are bisexual than is the case with men. From what I have read, abuse and mistreatment by men can lead to bisexuality in women. Also many women have very close attachments to other women but are not lesbians in a biological sense.

          • Here it is Dec, 1, 2012 on CCD and instead of discussing how our world has drifted away from God, there are activists who are ONLY interested in promoting the homosexual agenda by disputing God’s Natural Law. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves but only God can free those who have chosen to imprison themselves by rejecting His Laws and distorting Church teaching.

            Obama never attended Westboro Baptist, yet he still learned how to show hatred for the unborn. Guess WHO voted for him? The one who screams about intolerance the most certainly did not mind voting for an individual who would not tolerate a nurse comforting a dying baby who survived an abortion. So who ever voted for Obama the first and the second time showed that they are selective in which kind of ugly hate that they are willing to tolerate.

            These great telltale signs of inconsistency tell us that our fallen nature will always search out loopholes or excuses to distort God’s truth and God’s Laws. The only way to avert this particular slavery is to strive to become a holy individual instead of foolishly and ridiculously striving to change God.

          • Mark from PA, these are really generalizations. As a social worker you know that ideal types don’t exist in the real world. What you describe as well as what Ronnie describes are possibilities in some cases, not in others. Social psychology and behavioral science is never very tidy and, as you know, correlation is not causality.

  12. Abeca Christian says:

    This law does not protect homosexuals at all, it actually causes more harm because it tells of the reality of how hostile the gay mafia so to speak, is really like, that is why they were able to get this law in place in the first place, they are nasty with anyone who is seeking help. . A friend of ours who left that lifestyles, he reported to all his supporters and church that he was threatened daily by the homosexual community for leaving the gay lifestyle. He received death threats, his car was vandalized, he received nasty gay pornographic messages on his answering machine etc etc.

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