Why the bishops betrayed the unborn

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The following comes from an Oct. 22 story by Mark Gallagher in Crisis magazine.

In 1973 the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision legalized abortion. It was projected that the decision would not just replace illegal abortions with legal ones, but that the total number of abortions would dramatically increase (it turned out by approximately a million a year). It was clear that there were only two remedies: the Supreme Court reversing it; or a constitutional amendment proposed by Congress and ratified by the states to overturn it. This required the election of presidents who would nominate Supreme Court justices not interested in creating constitutional rights to legal abortion, and the election of pro-life members of Congress to confirm the justices, and to propose a constitutional amendment. Elections were the key. How were the bishops to proceed?

The bishops’ conference staff provided two conflicting recommendations. As their pro-life lobbyist, I recommended that the bishops conduct a major campaign to educate and correctly form the consciences of American Catholics to their responsibility to elect candidates who support the Common Good, which is protecting the human life and respecting the human dignity of every person created by God (including the unborn). And those candidates who refused to support the Common Good would be morally unacceptable for public office. The laity’s responsibility included being involved in their political party so that Common Good candidates would be recruited and nominated for office.

The Social Development and World Peace staff at the bishops’ conference disagreed with this approach. They dealt with the economy, poverty, food policy, housing, human rights, military expenditures, and U.S. foreign policy, and felt their goals and prudential judgments were more reflected by the Democrats in Congress. I was told sometime later of their concern that Roe v. Wade would cause Catholics to seek the protection of the unborn by voting for Republicans (most were pro-life [90+ percent]) instead of Democrats (about 2/3rds were pro-abortion then [94 percent now]). This shift in the Catholic vote would necessarily hurt their legislative agenda. So a campaign should be undertaken to convince Catholics that there was justification to vote for pro-abortion candidates. Their view prevailed and they pursued with the relevant bishops’ committees the first-ever Catholic voters guide published in 1976, called the “Political Responsibility Statement” (now called Faithful Citizenship). It would be the primary tool to achieve their objective.,,,

The current voter guide explicitly permits Catholics to vote for candidates who support intrinsic moral evils. It says, “A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who takes a position in favor of an intrinsic evil” like abortion, “if the voter’s intent is to support that position.” But what if a voter supports a pro-abortion candidate for some other reason?

….The bishops have continued on their failed course for forty years, with fateful, disastrous results. If the bishops would change course, the legal killing, now at 56 million, could be stopped. The bishops need to teach that: (a) Legislators have the compelling moral responsibility to pursue the Common Good, protecting the human life and respecting the human dignity of every person created by God, born and unborn. And those who do not, are morally unfit for office; (b) “Catholic” legislators who support abortion are not in communion with the Church and they will not be given Communion until they are; and (c) Catholic citizens cannot in good conscience elect legislators who support the killing of the unborn (for there are no proportionate reasons to justify it).

Mark Gallagher worked with the Government Liaison Office of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference in Washington from 1974 to 2007.

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  1. Christine says:

    The Social Development and World Peace staff at the Bishops’ Conference was greatly influenced by heretic Cardinal Joseph Bernardin who had been the chair of the Conference through 1972.
    Thanks to the recommendation of Cardinal Donald Wuerl, the new head of the Chicago Diocese, Bishop Blasé Cupich, appointed by the Pope – we will again return to putting politics ahead of human life if too many of their ilk get appointed for US Diocese by Pope Francis.

    Bernardin was so busy with politics and power mongering with his Democratic buddies for government dollars (grants), that he allowed sexual abuse of children to take place under his nose.

    Bernardin is famous for his heretical “seamless garment” theory (given at Fordham University, Dec 6, 1983.
    Bernardin funded Barack Obama’s “Saul Alinsky” classes for community organizing in Chicago.

    Let’s vote to kill innocent human beings so ‘social programs’ can be advanced, and our buddies in the Democratic Party will be elected.
    Very nice Bernardin, etc, etc, etc,
    Mahony followed in Bernardin’s footsteps.
    🙁

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Dear Christine, the Seamless Garment doctrine does not in any way promote abortion. Please stop telling untruths. It is not heretical, nor was the Bishop who you speak of.

      • Wm. Hamilton says:

        Expressing an opinion is not “telling untruths,” no matter how much you disagree with that opinion.

      • The “Seamless Garment” heretical theory at FORDHAM University
        of Dec 6, 1983 put forth by Bernardin is heretical because it clearly states:
        1) abortion is the same as national security;
        and
        2) “Those who defend the right to life of the weakest among us must be EQUALLY visible in support of the quality of life of …the undocumented worker, and the unemployed worker.
        Such a quality of life posture translates into specific political and economic positions on tax policy, employment generation, welfare policy, nutrition and feeding programs, and health care.”
        See part II, paragraph 15.
        http://priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bernardingannon.html
        This allowed Bernardin’s political goals to flourish, and cause confusion to allow voting for those who wish to kill the unborn – the innocent.
        He did a masterful job of mixing truth with lies.
        .
        However Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) put everything right with:
        “WORTHINESS to RECIEVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principles”
        http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm
        This clearly states that killing the innocent is NOT EQUAL to social justice issues.
        We must all consider that with the killing of approx. 1 MILLION human babies each year in the USA through abortion there is no proportionate reason to vote for a pro-abortion or pro-euthanasia candidate.

      • The Seamless Garment doctrine does promote abortion at least in an indirect way. It claims abortion is morally similar to the death penalty, fighting world hunger, poverty etc. It is not. It is unique in that it legalizes the direct taking of (innocent) human life without due process of law. It also attacks the most fundamental of all rights, the right to live, which threatens our survival as a society. It is therefore an evil of a greater magnitude than the others. The Seamless Garment doctrine was dreamed up as a tactic to take some of the force out of the pro life movement by seeking to include under its umbrella all sorts of other causes, thereby affording an excuse to politicians (and, yes, clergy) to engage in opposing war or the death penalty, or you name it, and still claim to be pro life. It meant that the bishops didn’t have to challenge the “Catholic” democratic politicians on abortion, because, after all, the politicians were pro life when it comes to fighting hunger or the death penalty. In simple language it was a ruse.

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        Self proclaimed YFC,

        Even you are not that stupid! You know darn well that Bernadine betrayed the unborn and the Catholic Faith, you just refuse to admit it!

        May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika !
        Viva Cristo Rey!
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher

    • Anonymous says:

      You who claim heresy, without any support by any bishop or even a priest, says “Bernardin was so busy with politics and power mongering with his Democratic buddies for government dollars (grants), that he allowed sexual abuse of children to take place under his nose.”

      You really have zero evidence to back up this claim, do you? Zero. You are making things up, lying, claiming things that have no basis in truth. Therefore, you are lying.

      • St. Christopher says:

        “Christine”: You are correct. Disregard “Anonymous” who is completely ignorant of Cardinal Bernardin’s work, and of the overwhelming criticism of its crudeness and heretical simplicity. In fact, Cardinal Bernardin made no bones about being against many things, including abortion. However, he lumped abortion together with the evils of the arms race, poverty, capital punishment, and many other “life” issues.

        Of course, the approach of Bernardin was to ignore prohibitions on sexual morality, which gives you a clue as to why homosexual sexualist adore this silly doctrine. In fact, Bernardin was barely Catholic in his outlook on life, which centered almost exclusively on the tired menu of social welfare issues. Anything that touched on his notion of “life” (food stamps, hunger in general, education, crime rates among minorities) would find itself in the equation. Of course, Bernardin completely ignored the unfathomable horror of abortion and the over 54 million pre-born murdered in the USA since Roe v. Wade.

        The story of America’s bishops is another thing. The corporate CEOs of the Church, unbelievably pampered and fawned over, Catholic bishops are the moral laughingstock of modern USA moral history. Yet these are men (not all, not all) too afraid of losing their cushy jobs to stand up and face public scorn and media abuse to state even the most obvious Catholic truths: fawning over politicians that favor abortion, homosexual marriage, and the like, these bishops will likely find a hotter reception in the real life than here on Planet Earth.

        Keep at it, Christine. Good work. Remember, there would be no abortion in America if its Catholic bishops lived the Faith.

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          St Christopher,

          Your last sentence above hit the Ball out of the Ball Park!

          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika !
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          Kenneth M. Fisher

      • Wm. Hamilton says:

        Expressing an opinion is not and cannot be lying, regardless of how much you may disagree with that opinion. It could be baseless or an exaggeration — but not the grave sin of lying.

      • I just supplied the evidence in my response to YFC with a direct link to Bernard’s Seamless Garment Theory. Where Bernardin states social issues on tax policy, employment generation, welfare policy should be treated EQUALLY with killing the innocent.

        As I stated Bernardin was masterful at mixing truth with lies. There is much truth in his writing, but also lies.
        And Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) corrected Bernardin’s Seamless Garment theory with “Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion, General Principles”.

        And just so you do not question: here is a link to Bernardin’s involvement regarding the sexual child abuse of children.
        http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/01/21/abuse-files-for-30-chicago-priests-to-be-made-public/
        and supporting Court documents:
        http://www.andersonadvocates.com/Archdiocese-of-Chicago-Documents.aspx

    • And all those 40 years the bishops told us how important the abortion issue is, offered Masses on Jan. 20th each year, and pretended to be leaders of the pro life movement. All that time they were in cahoots with the Democrats, The agreement was if the dem. politicians would support the bishops’ “legislative agenda” with government funds, the bishops would see to it that no one seriously challenged the pols on the abortion issue. “Corrupt wretches” are not adequate words to describe those bishops, but I would like to see this printed so I won’t use adequate words.

  2. This article is accurate and can be documented.

    The bureaucracy of the USCCB needs to be pared down – too many employees getting salaries, benefits, health care, retirement.
    And these non clergy employees still hold too much influence.

    The USCCB needs to get out of the social services business, and stop taking $$,$$$,$$$.$$ (yes about $63 MILLION) in grants from the Federal Government, along with supporting Democratic candidates.
    Jesus never taught us to take money from any government to give to those in need.
    Let the government do the work for their own social services.

    Far too many Democratic candidates (and a minority of Republicans) support most or all of the INTRINSIC evils that many (but not all) Bishops to this day refuse to teach about in their own Diocese – ABORTION; EUTHANASIA; CONTRACEPTION;
    HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE; EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH; CLONING.

    Support of the Democratic Party by Bernardin, Mahony, Blasé Cupich, Stephen Blaire, Robert Lynch, etc, along with LCWR, NETWORK, and NUNS on the BUS,
    is an absolute disgrace.

    .

  3. Here are a few voter guides recommended by Priests for Life 2014:
    http://www.priestsforlife.org/candidates/

    Here is what is necessary when voting to receive Holy Communion –
    “WORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principles” – Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict)
    http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm

  4. Follow the money,
    and you will find their idolatries.

    CCC: “1759 An evil action cannot be justified by reference to a good intention”. The end does not justify the means.”

    Stop taking government money, and you will not need to bow to their gods.
    He who has the gold rules.

    • AMEN!!! Too many politically minded bishops and too little who follow the Catholic Church’s Teachings and Biblical Truths! PRAY HARD and FAST!

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        ALL4HIM,

        Believe me, I know for certain from first hand information that Bishops that speak up on these moral issues are treated like pariahs by the USCCB!

        May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika !
        Viva Cristo Rey!
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher

  5. juergensen says:

    Under the USCCB voter guide “Faithless Citizenship”, a voter could morally vote for Adolf Hitler, despite his slaughter of Jews, if the voter’s intent is not to support that position.

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Ask the Holocaust deniers like the SSPX and Ann Malley. I’m sure they would vote for Adolf if he were on the ballot.

      • Ann Malley says:

        Thanks for the compliment of the out-of-the-blue, over-the-top ad hominem, YFC. You do me such service each and *every* time you mention my name.

        God bless you!

        As for holocaust denial, you may want to look to yourself as you are consistently denying the holocaust of those souls lost and those continuing to be lost by those insisting on perverting the Faith under the banner of the Sensus Fidelium while hiding inside the Church. Many of which, if given the opportunity, would likely have voted for Judas to be the Head of the Church in light of his progressive policies such as using money — wink, wink — for the poor and seeking a worldly kingdom that would oust the Romans.

        Perhaps Judas was seeking to give the 30 pieces of silver to the poor, YFC, much like current prelates who are selling out the Lord (Truth incarnate) to do an even greater good. But God’s ways are not our ways. Thank goodness!

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          Here are the fruits of the SSPX. Holocaust denialism is rampant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Williamson_(bishop)

          • YFC Richard Williamson was EXPELLED from the SSPX in 2012, and has been suspended of all Priestly duties by the Vatican.
            Why is he relevant to anything in the posted article ?
            Can’t you stick to the article posted above, or is this one more way you try to distract people ?

          • Ann Malley says:

            By your logic, YFC, the fruits of the Catholic Church are schism because they broke away from the Church. If you want fruits of the SSPX, look to the actual practice and adherence to what the Church actually teaches. That is what is promoted at any SSPX chapel I’ve ever attended.

            That said, since you want to change the Church and what She teaches, I understand your befuddlement and subsequent desire to smear and falsely report that which frightens you.

          • Wikipedia, the left’s Bible, is a wealth of information, but is not a reliable source of anything Catholic. Catholic Answers, CMTV resources, EWTN website are just a few of excellent references, YFC. You’re welcome! 🙂

          • Anonymous says:

            Oscar, all SSPX priests are suspended.

          • Ann Malley says:

            …. and yet they were allowed to celebrate mass on the altar at St. Peters. Go figure.

        • Ann Malley,

          Excellent response! YFC is once again revealing that his agenda is quite a bit more encompassing than only promoting the “gifts and qualities” associated with SSA.

          Wolves within consistently pound out the same kind of contrived drumbeat about the Catholic Church not welcoming everyone and making them feel unwanted like an outsider but then look how YFC treats visitors. The gig is up for those who have eyes to recognize deception.

          Speaking of Germans…YFC was the ONLY poster on CCD who WANTED the Christian homeschooling family from Germany to be INHOSPITABLY sent back on a rail to Germany.

          • Ann Malley says:

            He also seems to want to treat those with SSA like some sort of pariah in portraying these folks as somehow lacking the graces necessary to carry the cross – just like we all are called to do.

            Such self-loathing and promotion of slavery to sin is truly sad.

          • Catherine says:

            “He also seems to want to treat those with SSA like some sort of pariah in portraying these folks as somehow lacking the graces necessary to carry the cross – just like we all are called to do.”

            Isn’t that the truth! Well stated Ann Malley!

      • God Bless the SSPX..

      • St. Christopher says:

        You are having a bad day, “YFC”: In fact, Bishop Richard Williamson, then of the SSPX, alone made the statement regarding the holocaust; such denial was not, and is not, a position of the SSPX.

        Further, Bishop Williamson was expelled from the SSPX in 2012.

        Yes, Hitler would get votes if he came back, but likely from Liberals, who share Adolf’s hatred of the Jews.

        And, watch out for Ann Malley; she is appreciated; and it is nice that she gets your goat with her incisive comments.

        • Clinton R. says:

          Funny how YFC hates being brushed with the broad stroke of all homosexuals are deviants and child molesters, but yet paints the SSPX with the same broad stroke by calling them Nazis and Holocaust deniers.

        • Ann Malley says:

          Thanks, St. Christopher. You’re appreciated, too. Very much.

          God bless.

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        Self proclaimed YFC,

        You know damn well that no one from the SSPX, including Bishop Williamson is a “holocaust denier”. Bishop Williamson only questioned the numbers, which many historians also do, not the fact of holocaust.

        May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
        Viva Cristo Rey!
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher

        • Perhaps you are one too, Mr. Fisher?

        • Anonymous says:

          Holocaust denial is the act of denying established facts concerning the genocide of Jews in the Holocaust during World War II. Holocaust denial includes any of the following claims: that the German Nazi government’s Final Solution policy aimed only at deporting Jews from the Reich, and included no policy to exterminate Jews; that Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers to mass murder Jews; and that the actual number of Jews killed was significantly (typically an order of magnitude) lower than the historically accepted figure of 5 to 6 million.
          Holocaust deniers generally do not accept the term denial as an appropriate description of their activities, and use the term revisionism instead.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Bishops behaving badly deniers (BBBD) are what facilitates Bishop’s betrayal of the unborn. Many Anonymous and others like YFC attempt to deny that reality and then deflect to imaginary non-issues in order to promote their agendas – like the culture of death.

            BBBDs “…generally do not accept the term denial as an appropriate description of their activities, and use the term revisionism instead,” that is revision of what Faith means, what morals mean, what homosexual and marriage mean, what ‘Catholic’ means etc. They do this to facilitate their agenda which can be directly seen in Bishops betraying the unborn.

            So despite YFC and mous being trolls, they are direct contributors to why we have Bishops betraying the unborn. Much as they would prefer to deny it.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            You credit me with far too much power. If I could influence Bishops, I would, and I wouldn’t have to spend time trying to influence CCD readers.

          • Anonymous says:

            God supports the bishops.

          • Ann Malley says:

            You are legion, YFC. IOW: There are many like you and the Bishops know this. And every cog has its place in the big machine.

      • YFC – what does your post about the SSPX, and the holocaust have to do with the contents of this article ?
        “WHY the BISHOPS BETRAYED the UNBORN”

        Please take your non-related conversation to another web site.

  6. At the last USCCB annual meeting there are Bishops who want to clean up their 40 page Faithful Voter’s Guide which is so confusing that it means almost nothing.
    However there are still Bishops today who do not want to use the word “Intrinsic Evil” or list the “Intrinsic Evils” in their voter guide. When this came up (televised on EWTN) I was shocked.
    Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the Bishops who argued in favor of not changing the Guide.
    The good Bishops brought up :Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion, General Principles” in the debate.
    We shall see what the future entails.

  7. Linda Maria says:

    There is only one way out of this tragic situation— and that is, for the Pope and his bishops, to once again take up their proper leadership roles, which God has called them to do! The job of the Church, is not political, and not worldly! Church leaders of today, do not seem to fully recognize their great responsibilities– and that the world fails in Christian virtue, because it is so hard anyway, for many people– and they all need strong catechesis, and firm guidance and support, for Christian virtue– or else, they are all lost! It is too easy, and too convenient– to sin! And the dark, “fallen” world, is always eager–to give people opportunities to sin! Especially, sexual sin– and then, the tragic result: abortion! A strong, firm, honest Church, that really forms good Catholics– is the only way to change and improve life, in the dark and sinful world!

  8. Pedro, your comments are dead right.
    It appears that the USCCB is guilty of leading people into mortal sin. They did so by backing and promoting the pro abort President-Obama. And now, they allow someone to vote for a candidate who supports abortion, but also supports food stamps. So you can support a good while also supporting evil. Sounds devilish doesn’t it?
    Once the church took money from the government, they became an arm of the Democrat Party. Every single issue the USCCB supports comes from the Democrat Party. Climate Change, raising the minimum wage, immigration, abortion, etc.

  9. Most bishops claim to be “prolife” because they allow one Sunday a year to give a mild sermon and allow pregnancy counseling centers to sell roses for fundraising. We are encouraged to stay n the pews and pray.

    But when it comes to other planks in the Democratic Party platform like “immigration reform,” social welfare government programs, and gay “rights” the bishops are right up front leading the charge—often helping to register more DEMs.

    Never do CA bishops urge parishioners to vote for prolife candidates so that public policy can change to save lives. That is the most evident lack of leadership or shepherding—the silence of the shepherds.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      The now disgraced Cardinal Roger Mahony once gave the invocation for the Party of Death’s National Convention in Lost Angels! That should tell any thinking Catholic more than enough!

      Unfortunately, Arch. Gomez is not doing much better!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church !
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  10. Unfortunately, it is not very easy to find an elected official who will vote 100% of the time for the USCCB position.

    • The USCCB (meaning the majority but not all Bishops) is to keep the government happy,
      and keep the evil persons in power who give them the money.
      The USCCB and their CCHD, Catholic Charities, and CRS get approx. $63 Million each year in government grants.
      Money speaks louder than words.

  11. MIchael McDermott says:

    Norma McCorvey (aka Jane Roe) has publicly recanted the Lies she was Coaxed by Misandrist Attorneys in to making before the US Senate – which eventually led to the USSC ‘Roe v. Wade’ case that has caused so much death and suffering.

    > The following is Norma McCovery’s January 21 testimony given to the Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, Federalism and Property Rights.
    http://lettersfromthewomb.com/norma-mccoverys-jane-roe-vs-wade-testamony/

    “The affidavit submitted to the Supreme Court didn’t happen the way I said it did, pure and simple. I lied! Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffey (Attorneys) needed an extreme case to make their client look pitiable. Rape seemed to be the ticket.

    What made rape even worse? A gang rape!

    It all started out as a little lie, but my little lie grew and became more horrible with each telling.

    Not only did I lie, but I was lied to. I did not come to the Supreme Court on behalf of a class of women. I wasn’t pursuing any legal remedy for my unwanted pregnancy. I did not go to the federal courts for relief. I met with Sarah Weddington to find out how I could obtain an abortion.

    She and Linda Coffey said they didn’t know where to get one. Sarah already had an abortion but she lied to me just like I lied to her! She knew where to get one, obviously, but I was of no use to her unless I was pregnant.

    I saw procedure rooms where sanitation and hygiene were after-thoughts…

    • What does this have to do with the article – “Why the bishops betrayed the unborn” ?

      And Anonymous and YFC are winning – changing the subject to unrelated topics such as SSPX etc.
      Why do some of you pay any attention to them, when they clearly want to stear everyone away from the problem of unfaithful Bishops who refuse to teach the Faith. They are making fools of you. Ignore them.

      • Ann Malley says:

        Nobody is making a fool of anybody, Addy, just exposing larger pieces of the festering pie. If you don’t comprehend that drawing YFC and Anonymous out shows the extent of the so-called-faithful who are willing to sidetrack (by whatever means) in order to protect unfaithful Bishops who refuse to teach the Faith then you are missing much of the puzzle.

        If the faithful demanded faithful Bishops there would be far less of a problem in the Church. But faithful with itching ears like Bishops who will scratch them. It is a mutualistic relationship where ‘faithful’ get what they want and ‘clergy’ keep what they want. Has zip to do with Faith.

        So on the surface, ignoring ‘them’ would seem to be the easiest route, but often ignoring problems is precisely what gives them the opportunity to rise again and/or to continue making mischief. And the mischief making inside the Church needs to stop.

        In other words, asking ‘why’ is a loaded question. The answer can sometimes be the ‘anonymous’ sitting beside you in the pew and or the ‘fellow Catholic’ who funds said Bishops in their social justice causes that, much like Satan who disguises himself as good, often snakes right around to that which is bad and against the Faith. Believing it, practicing it, and teaching it.

        • This is so offensive to those who love the Church.
          Your bigotry against our Church and its faithful is insufferable.
          There are eternal and temporal consequences for this.

          • Anonymous, you are not even Catholic.
            Talk about dishonest.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Willful blindness is no proof of ‘love’ of the Church, mous. Your insufferable defense of the indefensible is proof of your bigotry (that is your fixation on being right instead of being faith filled).

            And, yes, there are eternal and temporal consequences. Allowing crisis situations to run headlong toward the cliff without waking up to halt the wagon is dangerous indeed.

          • Anonymous says:

            Your support for Sodomy, Anonymous, is offensive for those who love the Church.
            You only love the sexual parts of others of your same sex.

          • Anonymous, your support for sexual activity with those of the same sex is offensive to those who love the Church.
            The same with YFC.
            All you love is sexual activity with those of the same sex.

          • Anonymous says:

            I am Catholic. I do not support any sin. I attend daily Mass and receive Holy Communion when I do. i was defending the Faith from a cafeteria Catholic who does not even attend a Catholic Church and who has attacked and lied about the Church, the Pope, the priests and bishops incessantly since bringing her schismatic stench to this website and causing it (among others) to lose its good reputation as a website trustworthy for its fidelity to the Catholic Church.
            I do not support sodomy. I have no interest in the sexual parts of anyone. Get you mind on things above. i do not love nor even have sexual activity with anyone. Rash judgement is a sin. And I repeat that Ann Malley’s constant hostility and lies about the Catholic Church will not go unpunished. God will not be mocked.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Again, Anonymous, look to your own issues of pride and rash judgment. The stench you hide by your willful blindness is precisely what drives those with eyes to see and ears to hear and (a nose to smell) to the hills. Facilitating wolves in sheep’s clothing will not go unpunished. Nor will harassing sheep.

            Your ‘fear’ of schism is what stifles honest conversation and the cleaning out of the Church of that which has filtered in for lack of wariness. If you are a daily communicant, I cannot help but think your zeal would be better directed to those that actually are against the Faith, instead of those you perceive to be in your blindness.

          • Anonymous says:

            Yes,yes, we’ve heard your saw.
            The ones who leave the Church are the good ones.
            Faithful obedient Catholics doing as the Lord commanded are blind idolators.
            Anyone who stands up to your trolling is full of pride.
            Where is abeca anyway?

          • Ann Malley says:

            These are your words, Anonymous:

            “…The ones who leave the Church are the good ones.
            Faithful obedient Catholics doing as the Lord commanded are blind idolators.”

            I have never said that or intimated as much. You must be very uncomfortable. Those are your own issues.

          • Anonymous says:

            Oh really? How soon they forget! maybe you drink?
            “The stench you hide by your willful blindness is precisely what drives those with eyes to see and ears to hear and (a nose to smell) to the hills. Facilitating wolves in sheep’s clothing will not go unpunished. Nor will harassing sheep.” It was 13 hours. Less than a day.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Dear Ann Malley, I thought Anonymous got it pretty much right at 3:11 PM. It is a paraphrase, sure, but a pretty close one, actually. You certainly tell people who support the Roman Catholic Church that they are blind, afraid of free speech, and that you are the only one who can dissent from Church teaching and get aways with it.

        • Anonymous, it appears that you are trying to distract people from this article = “WHY the BISHOPS BETRAYED the UNBORN”

          Take your SSPX stuff which is totally unrelated to another web site, or wait for an article on the SSPX.

          • Anonymous says:

            I said nothing about the SSPX.
            I did not change the subject. Another did.
            But I probably should not have fed the troll.

        • No one needs to draw out Anonymous and YFC.
          You will not change their minds, and they will not change yours – ever.
          They are trolls who are successful if they can change the subject away from an important article or draw uncatechized readers into loving their sins.

          They are merely taking up space to distract from the article – “Why the bishops betrayed the unborn”.
          Ignore them. Tell them to take their unrelated topics to another web site without engaging them.

      • Good comment. Why don’t most of you take your personal battles elsewhere and let someone comment instead of being at each others throats.

  12. Thank God for Mark Gallagher, if only the USCCB would align with this wisdom and make stopping Intrinsic Evils the priority, Abortion, Euthanasia and other intrinsic evils could be brought to a hault.

  13. When is the USCCB going to place the NON-NEGOTABLES as priorities when voting ?

    When is the USCCB going to discuss the INTRINSIC EVILS regarding VOTING. and our remote participation in other people’s mortal sins ?
    INTRINSIC EVILS are
    ABORTION,
    EUTHANASIA,
    HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE,
    HUMAN CLONING,
    EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.

    When is the USCCB going to place front and center “Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion, General Principles”
    (remembering that with abt 1 million abortions in the USA each year that there is nothing proportionate)?

    http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm
    and
    http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm

    • It will happen when the majority of bishops actually believe in all the teachings of the Catholic Church and not before. Just as the average believing Catholic agrees with you on all the issues you raised, the fact that these are not important issues to far too many bishops reflects their fallen nature, their hardened hearts, their acceptance of the seduction of power and success and all the rest the world offers. The truths of our faith are as plain to see as the nose on your face, and when someone doesn’t believe them, that’s as easy to see as well…it isn’t rocket science. These guys simply don’t believe what Jesus said. There’s simply no other reason. Period. If they had a sense of honor they would resign. If they were honest they would beg for forgiveness and repent. If they cared about their sheep they would seek help from our Blessed Mother. They don’t for the same reason obama can’t…it is not in them to do so.

      • Anonymous says:

        Dana, the Catholic Church’s magisterium which is the BISHOPS are the ones who determined that these things were intrinsically evil. You are falling for a bunch of internet drivel. You have sinned greatly and gravely by slandering the successors to the APOSTLES!. By the Holy Name of Jesus, I implore you to cease.

        • Wrong again Anomymous.
          The Magisterium is NOT all the Bishops or merely Bishops.

          CCC: “100 The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.”

          CCC: ” 86 Yet this Magisterium is not superior to the Word of God, but is its servant.
          It teaches only what has been handed on to it.
          At the divine command and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it listens to this devotedly, guards it with dedication and expounds it faithfully.
          All that it proposes for belief as being divinely revealed is drawn from this single deposit of faith.””

        • Ann Malley says:

          “…You have sinned greatly and gravely by slandering the successors to the APOSTLES!”

          The fruits of blindness are falling into the pit, Anonymous. If you have no concerns in that regard, that is your decision. You have no authority whatever to make the above pronouncement. Especially when you haven’t the courage to name yourself.

          That said, perhaps if Catholics did understand that some of the hierarchy has seemingly lost the Faith, their prayers for these wayward shepherds would increase and be pointed toward the real issues.

          Thanks, Dana!

          • Thanks Ann. I still am haunted by St. Padre Pio praying that he would keep his faith to the end. It can happen to anyone. We all should be vigilant and pray for one another. St. John Vianny fasted and prayed for his sheep continually. I agree, we must pray for our bishops..its got to be a very difficult position these days!

          • We do not need authority to admonish the sinner.

          • Ann Malley says:

            But you do have to be accurate in your admonishment, mous, and charitable. You seem convinced in yourself of the sins of others. You do not know, however, but rather assume and ascribe your own judgment based on a narrative of your own creation.

            By your reasoning, however, we do no need permission to discuss that which is already public and highly scandalous and misleading.

          • A different mous says:

            No one on CCD does this more than you, Malley: “You seem convinced in yourself of the sins of others. You do not know, however, but rather assume and ascribe your own judgment based on a narrative of your own creation.”

        • My eyes were truly opened last week during the synod, anon. I’m capable of thinking for myself, without the internet but thanks. That there were actually almost a majority of bishops willing to debate about Church teaching concerning homosexuality and divorce and remarriage at all speaks louder than all the spin they’re putting out now. What does it take to wake people up? The bishop in my diocese had workshops to promote democrat programs at the last pres. Election. Several people from my church had attended and were very upset. All I can say is that when the basket comes round to collect for diocese charities, they’re practically empty anymore . People don’t speak about it but they’ve lost their trust and it makes me very sad. Most of our bishops are true shepherds, but you’ll have to admit,some of them should be selling used cars.

          • Oh Dana I feel so bad for the despondency you are in.
            Please pray to the Blessed Mother that you may see her beloved sons as she sees them.

          • Catherine says:

            “Please pray to the Blessed Mother that you may see her beloved sons as she sees them.” = Prayers have been answered by the Blessed Mother, you are not listening. WAKE UP! Here is how Our Lady sees them…….”The Church will be *full of those* who accept compromises”

            Many shepherds betrayed the unborn. They compromised Church teaching when they financially supported and voted for politicians who support the culture of death.

            Message of Our Lady of Akita

            ” The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres…churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

            “The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them” – Our Lady of Akita

          • Anonymous says:

            Catherine, I know this is your whole framework for judging but it is still wrong to judge.
            You know the Blessed Mother loves all her children.
            The devil tempts everyone and this is a time of trial for the Church.
            Our Lady and Our Lord know everything.
            “Today the devil is dazzling the world; this world so belittled in Christian spirit
            The Truth of Christ, that Truth that is proclaimed through His Mother, must reign in hearts
            Against imprudence, is the prudence that Christ gives
            Against mistrust, the trust inspired by Christ
            In the face of restlessness, the Peace of Christ reigns
            Give thanks to the Lord, because only He will save the people
            Amen. amen”
            Our Lady of the Rosary of San Nicolas Argentina January 6 1989

          • Ann Malley says:

            Anonymous writes:

            “…Today the devil is dazzling the world; this world so belittled in Christian spirit
            The Truth of Christ, that Truth that is proclaimed through His Mother, must reign in hearts
            Against imprudence, is the prudence that Christ gives
            Against mistrust, the trust inspired by Christ
            In the face of restlessness, the Peace of Christ reigns
            Give thanks to the Lord, because only He will save the people.”

            Yes, Anonymous, it is the peace of Christ we should seek. Only ‘HE’ will save the people. That is why it is so critical to understand that some major players in positions of authority have indeed given up trusting in Christ – and His words – and are looking to the bedazzlement of the world while belittling the Christian spirit.

            You speak of prudence, but you do not seem to know how to engage it. Trusting those who have, by their words and deeds, shown that they do not trust Christ, but rather seek to appease the world is not prudential for the future. It is running off the cliff, at the behest of Satan, who dares men to do as much while assuring that the angels will not let us fall.

            For while God will protect His Church, He also will not be mocked and expects those with eyes to see to speak out. Helping someone, even a Bishop, can mean calling out sin and danger when one sees it. The blind leading the blind will fall into the pit. But the blind leading ones who can see may just get his blindfold removed so that he can do his job and avoid the pit.

            Our Lady doesn’t act in contradiction to herself, Anonymous. So

          • Anonymous says:

            To be clear, I did not write that. it is a message from an approved Marian apparition. And no, my virtues are not up to hers.
            I think the things you say about the Church and its clergy are evil and are the fruit of sin. I think the way you perceive God’s Holy Church is distorted. I think the decision you have made to worship at the church of your choice rather than obey God’s Will as relayed through His infallible Catholic Church is gravely wrong.
            The remarks you have made are sins of the tongue and since they are against God they are grave. They have the potential to be scandal.

          • Catherine says:

            Anonymous, The faithful realize that only God can judge the eternal state of a soul. We are talking about behavior. Jesus knew that Peter would deny him three times and yes, Jesus still loved Peter. Where is your love for many of our shepherds who have compromised and stopped upholding the truths of our Catholic Faith? Why are our compromised shepherds any less worthy of receiving your love?

            Taken from Catholic Answers –

            On Judging others. When pressed to show where the Bible supports this, those who can come up with any response at all usually point to Jesus’ words found in the Gospel of Matthew, “Judge not, that you not be judged.” Most people will stop there, with the clear conviction that the Bible teaches that we are not to pass any form of judgment on others. A closer look at this Bible verse and other related verses, however, uncovers a different understanding of Jesus’ teaching.

            First, let’s look at the full context of Jesus’ words:

            Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye,” when there is the log in your own eye? (Matt. 7:1-5)

          • Catherine says:

            Beautiful and most charitable response Ann Malley!

            “For while God will protect His Church, He also will not be mocked and expects those with eyes to see to speak out. Helping someone, even a Bishop, can mean calling out sin and danger when one sees it. The blind leading the blind will fall into the pit. But the blind leading ones who can see may just get his blindfold removed so that he can do his job and avoid the pit.”

            Our Lady doesn’t act in contradiction to herself.

          • Ann Malley says:

            You have every right to ‘think’ what you will Anonymous with regard to the decisions folks have had to make in their lives. But avoiding the scandal to little children and newly formed Catholics has its place. So while you’re doing your part where you are – great. Your blind castigation of others who are, in truth, however, doing nothing more than seeking the whole Truth so as not to mislead or be mislead is an ongoing curiosity.

            As for the fruit of sin, yes, the observations made here about Bishops are indeed shocking, shocking because they are the fruit of sin. The Bishops are shocking us left and right, Anonymous, and not with God’s will being done, but rather in the ignoring of it and/or mutation of it. Closing one’s eyes doesn’t make sin go away, Anonymous, much as you may wish it did.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Ann Malley has to put “thinking” into shock quotes at 1:32 PM. Apparently, not because she has a different thought that could be debated, but because she believes that thinking has no place in Christian praxis, and therefore has to be relegated to quotation marks.

          • Ann Malley says:

            What you think you think, YFC, what you DO you become. That’s common sense praxis. But it is interesting that you find quotation marks shocking while you are seemingly unmoved by Bishops who advocate for the party of Death.

            Bishops aligning themselves with abortion and sodomy is wrong, YFC, there is no debate. But it would appear the only purpose of your last post was to take a liberal pot shot, as you offered no thought or basis for Catholic discussion or even logic…. as usual.

            And while it is good sometimes to have things stay the same, witnessing you stubbornly cleaving to the idea of thoughtfully taking Christ out of Christian, isn’t one of those times, YFC.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Well, now that you mention “common sense praxis” which is, for sure a new invention in ecclesiastical issues, gay folk have been living with gay folk in a common sense praxis for a long time. They commit themselves to each other and provide for each other in sickness and in health until death parts them.

            But I still think the fact that you put “thinking” into quotation marks undermines any actual thinking you might put forward.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Keep barkin’ up that tree, YFC. There’s no squirrel up there. Sorry.

  14. From the USCCB (Faithful Citizenship)
    There are some things we must never do, as individuals or as a society, because they are always incompatible with love of God and neighbor. Such actions are so deeply flawed that they are always opposed to the authentic good of persons. These are called “intrinsically evil” actions. They must always be rejected and opposed and must never be supported or condoned. A prime example is the intentional taking of innocent human life, as in abortion and euthanasia. In our nation, “abortion and euthanasia have become preeminent threats to human dignity because they directly attack life itself, the most fundamental human good and the condition for all others” (Living the Gospel of Life, no. 5). It is a mistake with grave moral consequences to treat the destruction of innocent human life merely as a matter of individual choice. A legal system that violates the basic right to life on the grounds of choice is fundamentally flawed.
    23. Similarly, direct threats to the sanctity and dignity of human life, such as
    human cloning and destructive research on human embryos, are also intrinsically evil. These must always be opposed. Other direct assaults on innocent human life and violations of human dignity, such as genocide, torture, racism, and the targeting of noncombatants in acts of terror or war, can never be justified.

    • Get serious. The Bishops’ “Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship” is a 40 page document, where things are buried to make them difficult to find, and mixes with almost every teaching the Church has with the NON-negotiable INTRINSIC EVILS.

      They throw in everything except the kitchen sink, they even state the death penalty can not be justified having no consideration for the safety of prison employees and other prisoners.

      This is the same thing Bernardin tried – to make social issues as important as murder of the innocent.
      Equates abortion to racism,, war, etc, etc, etc,. Utter nonsense,
      and was written to confuse or so that one can pick out anything and vote almost any way you feel like it.

      “Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship” by the USCCB is a DISGRACE that Bernardin would be proud of.
      Just about Everything is evil, just about everything is equal.

      This equality of issues is NOT what Pope Benedict XVI stated. in “Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion, General Principles”.
      Quite the opposite.

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Anonymous, do you know if this formulation of intrinsic evils is the only one by the Bishops? I ask because I see many people on CCD with their lists of intrinsic evils, which almost never includes things like torture, racism, and killing of non-combattants, but always includes other things like same sex marriage and contraception. Is there more than one list by the Bishop’s of “intrinsic evils”?

  15. Father Karl says:

    The seamless garment argument is just plain silly if not down right heretical. To water it down, and using hyperbole, it is like saying ‘ throwing away a piece of waste paper is just as sinful as murder’. For many years now, the majority of American bishops are members of the left wing of the democrat party. Basically, probably half of them are NOT really Catholic. They have done to the Catholic Church what Obama has done to the United States, and that is, TRY TO DESTROY IT. The liberals will attack me for what I have written, but true facts are true facts.

    • Ann Malley says:

      If the liberals have at you, Father, that’s often the best proof of being on the right track. God bless you for speaking the Truth.

  16. Even if one sets his morals aside, reason alone should make anyone question why he would ever trust any politician who says he will work towards ending poverty, saving the life of convicted murderers, ending war, supporting sexual deviancy, ect., all the while gleefully supporting policies ensuring that anyone can have as many of their unborn children in the womb ground up like a piece of hamburger, all with complete governmental immunity.

  17. Anonymous says:

    This isn’t about the bishops. Read the story, not the headline.
    I have never voted for a pro-choice candidate and I never will.
    This man wants the bishops to do what they should not do, which is tell people who they can and can’t vote for and to manipulate Catholics for a political agenda.
    They CAN’T do that. The Church forbids it.

    • Anonymous, the Church does not forbid any such thing. You are wrong again.
      Do not vote for any of the NON-negotiable INTRINSIC EVILS.

      Answering the Questions:
      1) WHICH POLITICAL OFFICES SHOULD I WORRY ABOUT;
      2) HOW TO DETERMINE A CANDIDATE’S POSITION;
      3) HOW NOT TO VOTE;
      4) HOW TO VOTE;
      5) WHEN THERE IS NO “ACCEPTABLE” CANDIDATE.
      http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

      • Anonymous says:

        I do not vote for any evil, intrinsic or otherwise.
        http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/legaladvice.htm

        • Then Anonymous, you must not vote!

          • Well, I will say that for many years I did not. And now, I do, if there is a moral issue on the ballot or if there is an evil on the ballot that needs to be opposed.

          • Bob One, you are wrong again. Every single candidate does not support any or all of the INTRINSIC Evils – of:
            Abortion, Euthanasia, Homosexual Marriage, Human Cloning, and/or Embryonic Stem Cell Research.

            What you should have stated is: that you may then NOT vote for MOST (but not all) DEMOCRATS.
            And that you should then VOTE for MOST (but not all) REPUBLICANS.

            You are clearly a Democrat, and based upon your posts do not want people to know the truth.
            Far too often you put social services above human life itself.

          • I live in a place where all local candidates are pro-life. Positions on other moral issues are usually shared as well. Sometimes the votes comes down to who is going to get the new bridge built faster.

      • Thanks for the link Oscar.
        It is good to know that there are some sane Catholics still around.

        ” Answering the Questions:
        1) WHICH POLITICAL OFFICES SHOULD I WORRY ABOUT;
        2) HOW TO DETERMINE A CANDIDATE’S POSITION;
        3) HOW NOT TO VOTE;
        4) HOW TO VOTE;
        5) WHEN THERE IS NO “ACCEPTABLE” CANDIDATE. ”
        http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

    • Anonymous, you need to change your moniker to “Wrong Again”.
      The author never named any particular person, so you lied again.

      This is what he said.
      ” The bishops need to teach that:
      (a) Legislators have the compelling moral responsibility to pursue the Common Good, protecting the human life and respecting the human dignity of every person created by God, born and unborn. And those who do not, are morally unfit for office;

      (b) “Catholic” legislators who support abortion are not in communion with the Church and they will not be given Communion until they are;

      and (c) Catholic citizens cannot in good conscience elect legislators who support the killing of the unborn (for there are no proportionate reasons to justify it). “

      • Simple and to the point MACK. Like Ted pointed out, with so many pps to wade through, all the directives run together as if of equal importance. Actually, all that needs to br shown is an outline of the democratic platform. Let people really see just what they’re promoting and then ask, is this what you want….really?

        • Anonymous says:

          The USCCB;s Faithful Citizenship Voter Guide is a mess.
          They mix in everything they can possibly think of including nuclear war (which is not part of any Parties or any candidate’s goal), just so they can confuse as man people as required to get the Democrats elected..
          After all, they have to protect their $63 million dollars in Federal Grants at all costs.

          Oh they did leave out ‘purposely giving ebola to others. Maybe they will add it this year,. And its not charitable to pick your nose in front of others – they forgot that too.

      • Anonymous says:

        He said a lot more than that. Did you click the link and read the whole article?
        I did not lie. I did interpret based on the content of the article.

  18. Your Fellow Catholic (YFC) should be called Your FORMER Catholic because most of what he types is un-Catholic and heretical.

  19. The NON-NEGOTIABLES when voting –
    There are 5 (FIVE) current actions that are INTRINSICALLY EVIL and must NEVER be promoted by the law.
    Intrinsically evil actions are those that fundamentally conflict with the moral law and can never be deliberately performed under any circumstances.
    It is a serious sin to deliberately endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any action contrary to the NON-NEGOTIABLE principles involved in these issues.

    Non-Negotiable – Intrinsic Evils
    1. ABORTION (murder of an innocent for the convenience of another);
    2. EUTHANASIA (code word ‘death with dignity’);
    3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research;
    4. Human Cloning;
    5. Homosexual Marriage.
    http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

    Answering the Questions:
    1) WHICH POLITICAL OFFICES SHOULD I WORRY ABOUT;
    2) HOW TO DETERMINE A CANDIDATE’S POSITION;
    3) HOW NOT TO VOTE;
    4) HOW TO VOTE;
    5) WHEN THERE IS NO “ACCEPTABLE” CANDIDATE.
    http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

  20. In the hope of being completely forthcoming, all the bishops should reveal who they voted for after this next election. All the congress, state and local officials and all matters that the Church has a position on.
    While I would agree that every vote is secret, every bishop owes allegiance to the Magisterium and their vote should help to preserve and defend its integrity. Perhaps it would be interesting to see why a bishop voted for a pro-abortion, pro-SSM (etc) politician (as well as explaining why they have a politician’s aide on his staff)?

    • Good idea, Bob. Bishops can teach by example.

      It would also be interested to know why they voted the way they did.
      Some would undoubtedly vote to continue getting Federal Grants, idolizing money rather than following God.
      They really need to get out of the government funded social services or they will have two masters.

    • Anonymous says:

      you risk the tax exemption by what you post. Maybe they should? But telling the electorate who they voted for amounts to an endorsement in the next election, wich risks their tax exempt status.

      • A bishop is the principal teacher in his diocese and has to teach the truth and a bishop has to enforce observance of Church laws. These laws include morals of the faithful and religious instruction. A bishop should epitomize being a Catholic American and not the reverse.
        Asking how the bishop voted for this election does not necessarily exclude him from voting for that person in the next, especially if he has taken his responsibility seriously (and particularly with the CINO politicians) and sought to guide the errant politician. Also, the imposition of Canon 915 might finally be used on these CINO politicians who vote for abortion, etc. The bishops seem to always run away from some of their responsibilities – this idea might prompt them to start moving.

    • Speaking Truth to Politics says:

      forgive me, but you have a really silly and rankly rather childish notion of what constitutes allegiance to the magisterium. Magisterial teachings can hardly be distilled simplistically into a set of candidates that we can all get behind. TRUE catholic teaching encourages a formation in all the aspects of our moral theology, and requires voter to apply those properly formed consciences to vote according to conscience. Pro this or anti that or pro blah blah blah is revolting to catholic teaching. But every Catholic needs to vote according to her conscience, as is required by our faith!

      • And the bishops need to lead by example and, unless you’re a certain German cardinal, they are who we should look to about Church teachings.
        Pro-Abortion is “revolting to catholic (sic) teaching.” It hardly meets your personal thoughts about what is or isn’t blah blah. These CINO politicians should be dealt with (Canon 915) but never are by the bishops.
        Conscience should be well-formed and based on the teachings of the Church, and the bishop is the prime teacher in a diocese. When he neglects his duty, it has an immediate affect on his flock and the consciences of his people are probably lacking in truth.

      • Speaking Truth to Politics – and that means putting HUMAN LIFE far above Social Services.
        Most Democrats do not.
        In fact, if you vote for these evil people, you may NOT receive Holy Communion.

        “WORTHINESS to RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION, General Principles” by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI).
        http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm

        Remember there is nothing proportional in the USA today to the torture and MURDER of approx. 1 MILLION innocent unborn babies each year for the convenience of others.

        “THOU SHALL NOT KILL” – GOD’s Commandment (not suggestion).
        and
        CCC: 2271, 2272, 2274, 2322

        “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; ” Jer 1:5.
        http://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=44

  21. I had never read the Platform of the Democratic Party. Didn’t have to since I never voted for them. Based on a lot of comments on this thread I thought it might be an interesting read. Here is what it said about Women:
    Protecting A Woman’s Right to Choose. The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way. We also recognize that health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. We strongly and unequivocally support a woman’s decision to have a child by providing affordable health care and ensuring the availability of and access to programs that help women during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including caring adoption programs.

    As I understand that if I vote for Democrats BECAUSE they support abortion that I am doing wrong. But if I vote for Democrats IN SPITE OF their support of abortion and because of what else the believe that is IK. A lot of people on this site believe it is wrong to vote for a Democrat under any circumstances but I’m not sure that is what the Church teaches.

    • Bob One, you may be reading from the 2012 Democratic Platform which states the Party’s goals.
      You should also read the Democratic Platform for 2014 for your particular State as well.
      In all cases we need to look at the individual politicians / candidates.
      The Platforms are the ‘GOALS’ of the specific party.

      No, it is NOT OK to VOTE for or support anyone who supports the Intrinsic Evils of: ABORTION, EUTHANASIA, HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE, HUMAN CLONING, or EMBRYONIC STEM CELL RESEARCH.
      For the best “Catholic” explanation which clearly answers your questions see:
      http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

      • Some other posters got it right, and provided information where questions are answered and clarified.

        ” The NON-NEGOTIABLES when voting –
        There are 5 (FIVE) current actions that are INTRINSICALLY EVIL and must NEVER be promoted by the law.
        Intrinsically evil actions are those that fundamentally conflict with the moral law and can never be deliberately performed under any circumstances.
        It is a serious sin to deliberately endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any action contrary to the NON-NEGOTIABLE principles involved in these issues.

        Non-Negotiable – Intrinsic Evils
        1. ABORTION (murder of an innocent for the convenience of another);
        2. EUTHANASIA (code word ‘death with dignity’);
        3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research;
        4. Human Cloning;
        5. Homosexual Marriage.
        http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

        Answering the Questions:
        1) WHICH POLITICAL OFFICES SHOULD I WORRY ABOUT;
        2) HOW TO DETERMINE A CANDIDATE’S POSITION;
        3) HOW NOT TO VOTE;
        4) HOW TO VOTE;
        5) WHEN THERE IS NO “ACCEPTABLE” CANDIDATE.
        http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

    • No it is not necessarily OK to vote for a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage candidate just because you like something else that he stands for.
      It is also not required that you vote for a pro-life candidate if you believe he would be a bad choice in other areas..
      Please read Faithful Citizenship by the USCCB.

      • Anonymous, the INTRINSIC EVILS are not EQUAL to Social Programs.

        The USCCB “Faithful Citizenship” is a big 40 page hodge-podge which is a carryover from the Bernardin heretical ‘Seamless Garment theory’, and is confusing and useless.
        In addition, don’t forget that the USCCB gets approx. $63 million tax dollars in Federal Grants each year for their social programs through CCHD, Catholic Charities, and CRS. And they do not want to upset the goose that lays the golden egg. Jesus would surely call them Pharisees today – they know the Catholic law but they twist it for their own goals in ‘Faithful Citizenship’. Jesus never taught us to bow to the government to help those in need.

        If the USCCB confused you, you should contact your Diocese Bishop and tell him that INTRINSIC EVILS must be 100% in accord with the CCC and listed by themselves starting with paragraph 2.
        “Faithful Citizenship’ comparing the death penalty to abortion is an out and out lie. The death penalty is allowed when the lives of prison personal and other prisoners are in grave danger by an aggressor.
        Also comparing Nuclear War to Abortion is insanity in this day and age, and no one wants Nuclear War.
        The authors of “Faithful Citizenship” should be ashamed of themselves.

        • Anonymous says:

          MAC, when you say that the intrinsic evils are not equal to social programs, you are comparing something evil to something good or neutral or bad (depending on the social program). It is not comparable.
          Faithful Citizenship is not a voter’s guide. You are supposed to use it to vet your candidates. It is written for all of us, but especially for people who vote for less than serious reasons. If you vote pro-life or against intrinsic evil, you’re great. You are in total conformity with the document. If you vote for the cutest or the guy with the best jokes or the party candidate or the Catholic or the first guy on the ballot or the guy your mom likes or the guy who is the race you like or the woman etc, you are not in conformity with the document. It is about letting your Catholic faith inform your vote. IT IS NOT A VOTER”S GUIDE!
          It has nothing to do with any political party. It was not written to sway Catholics to vote for any candidate or any party.
          My bishop does not need me to tell him about intrinsic evils. A good society has neither nuclear war or abortion. The death penalty is not intrinsically evil because it is not evil in all circumstances. Abortion is. That does not mean that the death penalty is desirable.
          Catholics are free to vote for who they want to be their leaders. They do not have to obey Faithful Citizenship. (Most have never read it.) The Catholic Church does not tell people how to vote. Catholic lay people may develop voter guides based on Catholic teaching. The Church cannot. There are ethical reasons why the Church (the Bishops) can’t do that.

  22. I found this in the Republican Platform:
    We, however, affirm the dignity of women by protecting the sanctity of human life. Numerous studies have shown that abortion endangers the health and well-being of women, and we stand firmly against it. And I found this:
    We support the ability of all organizations to provide, purchase, or enroll in healthcare coverage consistent with their religious, moral or ethical convictions without discrimination or penalty. We likewise support the right of parents to consent to medical treatment for their children, including mental health treatment, drug treatment, and treatment involving pregnancy, contraceptives and abortion. We urge enactment of pending legislation that would require parental consent to transport girls across state lines for abortions.

    • Bob One, always provide a link so we know that nothing is being misquoted by anyone involved. Platforms change annually at the State level, and at the National Convention for the Federal level.
      State versus National Platforms can be different.

      Although what you printed is not good, it does not support abortion on demand – the killing of the innocent by everyone for all reasons – merely the convenience of others as supported by the most evil Democratic Party Platform.

    • Bob One, ALWAYS provide a link so we know the accurate wording, and whether you are talking about State or Federal Platforms.
      Further please provide a link and the wording for the comparable Democratic platform.
      You will see that the Democratic Platform is significantly worse at both State and Federal levels.

      Next, because of the VOTING practices of Catholics, and the lack of appropriate teaching from their Diocese Bishops – at the CA level l- ook who gets elected most of the time from this State – DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS for local, state and federal elections.
      Therefore in order to get elected, unfortunately you will see the Republicans do what they must to get elected as well.
      This is what happens when Catholics vote for (approve of) evil on a regular basis.
      And when the USCCB “Faithful Citizenship” puts out a long document that mixes INTRINSIC EVILS with social issues to continue to cause confusion.

    • Bob One, have you read the recommended ‘CATHOLIC VOTERS GUIDE’ by Priests for Life which has been linked by others ???
      It includes the accurate way to vote when there is”
      “NO ACCEPTABLE CANDIDATE”.
      http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

      QUOTE: ” In some political races, each candidate takes a wrong position on one or more issues involving non-negotiable moral principles.
      In such a case you may vote for the candidate who takes the fewest such positions or who seems least likely to be able to advance immoral legislation, or you may choose to vote for no one.
      A vote cast in such a situation is not morally the same as a positive endorsement for candidates, laws, or programs that promote intrinsic evils: It is only tolerating a lesser evil to avoid an even greater evil.
      As Pope John Paul II indicated regarding a situation where it is not possible to overturn or completely defeat a law allowing abortion, “an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and public morality”(EV 73; also CPL 4). ………….(plus more). UNQUOTE

  23. Bob One, when you read “Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion, General Principles” you must remember that in the USA there is nothing proportionate to the murder of approx. 1 million innocent human babies each year.
    And that when one votes for a pro-abortion candidate that he remotely participates in abortions.

  24. Interesting, isn’t it Bob? I watched their convention in 2012 just to see what they were up to (something most democrats don’t bother doing, alas) and when they weren’t trying to vote God out of their platform ( which He lost be a cacophony of boos and nays, but the powers that be kept Him Anyway to make them look legitimate) and poor Caroline Kennedy rambled on forever sounding like a stoned valley girl, and the birth control queen of Georgetown trying to sound like an impoverished student who the rotten republicans wanted to deprive of her birth control fix for free which was her inalienable right….it only lacked the other Macbeth trio of harridans of California to make freak night complete . All I felt was utter embarrassment…these are my fellow citizens…cringe. Compare that to Clint Eastwood’s brilliant extempore speech to an empty chair at the RNC…I’ve truly never seen the two parties at greater odds than now.

  25. If you live in Kentucky, what do you do? Do you vote for a democrat, any democrat, or do you vote for Mitch McConnell? Do you just not vote? Do you vote for a third party candidate?
    The only Catholic value the republican candidate for Senate has is that he is somewhat anti-abortion. But he is against almost everything we Catholics stand for. What is a Catholic to do?

    • Bob One, people can not take your word for anything or mine regarding a particular candidate. Sometimes politics clouds truth.

      We each have to deal with the public actions, public statements, and public votes of each candidate, not others personal opinions.
      The voters of KY need to find out the political beliefs and goals of Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes, and then determine which candidate will do the least harm regarding the INTRINSIC EVILS of Abortion, Euthanasia, Homosexual Marriage, Human Cloning, and Embryonic Stem Cell Research.

      • “How NOT to VOTE”
        ” 5. Do not vote for candidates who are right on lesser issues but will vote wrongly on key moral issues.
        One candidate may have a record of voting in line with Catholic values except for, say, euthanasia.
        Such a voting record is a clear signal that the candidate should not be chosen by a Catholic voter unless the other candidates have voting records even less in accord with these moral norms. ”

        Again see: ‘Catholic Voters Guide’
        http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

        The answers to your questions are all in this brief but potent guide.

        • Just as an FYI – Hillary Clinton, recipient of the Planned Parenthood Margaret
          Sanger award is actively supporting candidate Grimes in KY.

          If we want to change/improve the laws, we have to remove abortion loving Democrats in the Senate, not add to them.

          • Mel, I agree but … Abortion is an INTRINSIC EVIL, yes. But, it is also a non-issue for over half of the people of this country if not more. They are through talking about it and think that people who are trying to end abortion are evil people. This is a huge change in the last 20 years. That makes it difficult for those who want to change Congress. How do we elect anti-abortion members of Congress if the majority of the electorate think it is not an issue. No person can be an anti-abortion advocate and get the support of the Democratic Party. It is hard to get elected in the other party as well, because few women will vote for a halt to contraception and abortion, plus all the other “anti-women” issues the GOP supports. Even if there is a majority of Republicans in the new Congress, they cannot muster 60 votes to overturn established laws. We can’t give up the fight, but how do we change the debate which is framed as pro-choice. If you or I were a candidate for national office and were asked, in the debate, if you support a “woman’s right to choose”, and you said no, what would be your chances of winning?

  26. Bob One, stop making excuses, and VOTE according to the Catholic Faith.

    Every time a candidate states they are anti-abortion, the Democratic party political machine states it is a ‘War against Women’. If is was not an issue, they would not do this.
    Abortion is a HUGE issue in the USA.
    Not only are about 1 Million innocents tortured and murdered each year, but under the Democratic Obama Administration the Mexico City Policy was lifted so the USA can export Abortion to other Countries.
    Euthanasia is just around the corner in many States as well – again thanks to the Democratic Party of Death.

    Framing ‘Pro-Choice” means “Pro-Choice to do what” ?
    – – – to torture and murder the most innocent human beings merely for the convenience of others.

  27. Bob One, Quoting you – ” But, it is also a non-issue for over half of the people of this country if not more.” If this were true, then that means that Bishops, Priests and teachers of the Faith have not been doing their jobs, and neither have people like you who post in the media.

    If approx. 1 MILLION INNOCENT blacks, or Hispanics, or homosexuals, or Jews, or Catholics
    were TORTURED and MURDERED each year in the USA by chemical burning or dismemberment – would that be a non-issue to you ?

  28. I came across this in an article this morning:
    In 2004, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger offered what might be considered a loophole. “When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia,” he wrote, “but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”
    I believe that is the reasoning used in the latest guidelines from USCCB.
    A reading of the voter guidelines issued by Priest for Life says essentially the same thing, but with more things to consider. In my area of Northern California at least, it seems like we must always vote for the one who will do least harm or not vote at all. It would be nice if we could vote for someone with a positive stand on important issues for a change.

    • Bob One you are looking for excuses to vote for pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro homosexual marriage candidates – you sound like a die-hard Democrat.
      And you are doing the devil’s bidding trying to confuse others.

      There are ZERO PROPROTIONATE REASONS in the USA these days compared to the TORTURE and MURDER of innocent unborn babies – approx. ONE MILLION annually,
      and the exporting of more abortions tied to foreign aid under the Democratic Obama Administration (which had included Hillary Clinton).

      Unfortunately, sometimes it is necessary to vote for the candidate who will do the least harm.
      Then you should also look at the Party that they support – the Democratic Party of Death is out of the question.
      Far too often people vote along party lines.

    • Bob One, never mix the 5 Intrinsic Evils with Social Services issues.
      http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

      (The Bishops’ ‘Faithful Citizenship’ is evil because it tries to confuse so they will not offend their Democratic golden goose – $63 MILLION in Federal Grants each year. And they want to keep re-electing their buddies.)

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