The view from Spokane

On Chicago’s new archbishop
Kries

Kries

The following comes from a Sept. 24 posting on the American Catholic.

Well, this is interesting.  Professor Douglas Kries at Gonzaga University in Spokane gives his assessment of Bishop Blase Cupich, the Spokane Bishop tapped to head the Chicago Archdiocese:

“Bishop White Seminary at Gonzaga, which was nothing short of an extraordinary success story until Cupich became bishop, fell quickly into desuetude after his arrival. Moreover, when Gonzaga University refused to continue club status for Gonzaga’s campus Knights of Columbus council, Cupich, it is widely whispered, told the remaining seminarians not to discuss the matter with the press. It has also been widely reported that Cupich did not want his diocesan priests involved with certain pro-life groups that he considered too strident. Cupich may not even know it, but at the time, students involved with Gonzaga’s Right to Life Club felt abandoned, even though they were not his direct target.

“I once wrote to him expressing in particular my concerns about the direction of Gonzaga’s core curriculum. His reply was polite, but he made it quite clear that he had no interest in involving himself in such matters. Gonzaga adopted, and is now planning to implement, a core curriculum that diminishes the number of courses that students take in “Catholic or Christian religion” from three to one.

“The formerly required course on the Bible is being eliminated and the course in applied Christianity, which often in practice meant Christian morality, is being changed to world religions. Gonzaga students, many of whom belong to Cupich’s diocese, will soon be devoting only a single semester course in four years of college (3 out of 128 credits, or 2.34 percent) to the study of “the Catholic or Christian religion.”

“The local Spokane newspaper describes Cupich as “a moderate who has called for civility in the culture wars,” since he has said that Pope Francis doesn’t want “ideologues.” From what I can tell, the description is inaccurate. Real moderates engage all sides, trying to find common ground, if it is available, that will permit them to advance their principles. By not inserting his office into conflict situations, Cupich has often, whether intentionally or not, quietly ceded much ground to one side, and without advancing his principles.

“To be fair, Cupich was willing to debate publicly a local city councilman about legalization of same-sex marriage. Still, on the whole, the record is hardly a bold one. And one wonders: if he comes across as too timid to be effective in the small, rather polite, and humble diocese of Spokane, what are his chances to be effective in a large, muscular, broad-shouldered place like Chicago?

“My advice to Catholics in Chicago? Your new archbishop is a very nice man; he is also very intelligent and talented. I respect him far too much to flatter him, as many of my fellow Spokanites are wont to do. And I refuse to believe that he really thinks that those of you trying to defend and advance the Church in the public forum are just “ideologues.” But he tends to be – to use a polite phrase – ‘conflict averse.’”

Go here to read the rest at The Catholic Thing.  I suspect that the key to understanding Blase Cupich is his obvious belief that it is best if Catholicism comes to terms with the powers that be in secular society and not rock the boat.  The term for this sort of accomodation by Christians and Jews in Islamic cultures is Dhimmi status.  That is precisely the path, whether consciously or unconsciously, the Blase Cupich’ of the Church would lead us down.  A world in which Catholics, if they are well-behaved, can still worship on Sunday, so long as they give up any hope of influencing their societies.  Among the pro-abort, largely Catholic, Democrat political establishment in Chicago, he will be as welcome as a fat bribe to an alderman.

Update:  Three of the comments under the post of Professor Kries are very interesting:

written by Leo James, September 24, 2014

In his first Mass as our new Pastor in Omaha, Father Cupich publicly chastised our teenage daughter for genuflecting,as was her practice, along with many others in our parish, before receiving the Blessed Sacrament. He said loudly so that all in the communion line could hear: “don’t do that in my church again”. We pray that he has reflected on John 12:3 since that time and for those he is called to serve in Chicago.

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written by Fr. Kloster, September 24, 2014

I know Archbishop Cupich. I first met him in 1991. He is a progressive Catholic. I was pushed over the edge long ago and don’t feel the need to play any nuanced games with anyone no matter what it costs me personally. I don’t like using the secular political titles, because they don’t apply where the Church is concerned. You are either Catholic or somewhat less than Catholic (all the way from missing one doctrine or discipline to being aggressively anti-Catholic). Archbishop Cupich could never be described as a traditional Catholic. I’m trying to be as charitable as possible. I’ve had several face to face conversations with the man, so I know his tendencies well.

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written by MTF, September 24, 2014

It is bittersweet to see Bishop Cupich appointed to Chicago. Bitter because he sees it as a promotion, when his priests and laity have suffered so much under his leadership. Sweet, because we can all breathe a little easier now, knowing that Our good Lord has come to rescue us from this wolf in sheep’s clothing. Without going into to too much detail, I will say that our holy priests are most likely VERY relieved. (Many of them have admitted in confidence, to many of us lay Catholics that B. Cupich terrifies them. Bishop Cupich has ruled over them with an iron fist, and this is not a secret, my friends (And his mandate to avoid praying in front of PP is only one of many of those examples.) “strike the shepherd, and the sheep will scatter.” We have been in the desert over here in Spokane since he was installed September 3rd, 2010. God has finally delivered us from his hands, though. I’ll be praying for you Chicago- you are gonna need it!! Oh, and one piece of advice for any of you who ever happen to go to him for confession: ask him to turn off his phone BEFORE the sacrament begins. He is on his phone CONSTANTLY,(which is not news to Spokanites), but I was STUNNED to hear text beeps occurring while he was listening to my confession. To this day, I regret not asking him why he would leave his phone on during this holy sacrament.

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  1. Interesting hit piece. Let’s give the new Bishop of Chicago a chance before throwing him under the bus!

    • Blasé Cupich has been a Bishop (in various small Dioceses) since 1998.
      Due to his actions and public statements – he was a poor choice to promote to the large Chicago Diocese.

      He is a PROGESSIVE/LIBERAL who believes in Sacrilege and Scandal – giving Holy Communion (Body and Blood of Christ – to those in the State of Mortal Sin) – which is in violation of Church teaching.
      Because he knows best.

      He does not teach, correct, or discipline when necessary.

      Cupich is the Chairman of the National Catholic Education Assoc., which supports the mediocrity of Common Core.

      He does not want his Priests to save any lives by praying the Rosary near Abortion Clinics.
      Secular public opinion is more important to him than saving lives.

      He supported Obama for President by insinuating that those who did not vote for Obama were racists.

      Cupich allowed Catholic Charities employees to help people register for benefits under the Affordable Care Act, popularly known as “Obamacare,” in contrast to most other bishops.

      Cupich is on the USCCB Committee to promoted the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and done nothing of significance.
      His own Spokane Diocese web site does not promote the reading of the Bible or CCC by laity at all.

      And he wants Bishops to continue taking $63 MILLION in Federal Grants annually for CCHD, Catholic Charities, and CRS.
      He says he believes he can reach a compromise with Obama.

    • In defense of Kries this is not a “hit piece”, it’s an accurate account of what Cupich did as bishop. Catholics can draw their own conclusions on Cupich’s actions. Also, it’s not about Cupich needing any Catholic to give him a “chance”. He has been validly installed as the bishop by the Pope and therefore is the official leader and teacher of the faith for the Catholics of Chicago. What he “needs” is our prayers. His office should be respected. Let’s pray that Cupich upholds the faith!

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Interesting, Bob one has now become just Bob! You don’t fool anyone!

      Today I gave my sincere condolences to a good friend in Bernadine’s Chicago.

      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Kenneth M. Fisher,

  2. MIchael McDermott says:

    Curious, Very Curious – One can only wonder how this story will unfold over time, particularly in the heart of the Abomination, where the Dead Really Do Rise – to Vote Demicrat at least.

  3. MIchael McDermott says:

    BTW – another poster provided a reminder of past predictions, via a very telling quote from the Prior occupant of the office;

    When Cardinal George’s said:
    “I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square.
    His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history.”

  4. This is hardly a hit piece, Bob. Aren’t people allowed to share their own personal experiences? Chicago is almost as influential as the NYC diocese and whoever is Archbishop has a tremendous influence over those of us in the Midwest. I just read a piece by Mary Ann Walsh (remember her from other articles?) in America mag. who praises him to the skies (literally) with a banner headline…”Cupich: Among the flock, reaching for the stars”. (YES!! YOU CAN BE JUDGED BY THE COMPANY YOU KEEP) If such overexaggerated praise is being promulgated, shouldn’t there be some reality checks here from people who have served with him or been under his leadership? I would love to hear from some of the seminarians that he oversaw while president/rector of the Pontifical College Josephinum in Columbus. Apparently his greatest strength is that of administrator. 🙁 One supposes that from here on out it should be mandatory that all future archbishops have MBA’s and know how to work the donation biz.
    CCD is one of the very best sources of truth that I’ve come across on the internet. Please keep donating and praying for this important truly Catholic website!!

    • This is interesting because the Josephinum is one of very few seminaries in the U.S. that have not significantly dumbed down their seminary curriculum over the past couple of decades. I have no idea of course whether Bp. Cupich had anything to do with that.

  5. John Allen formerly of the heretical “National Catholic REPORTER” now works for the Boston Globe.
    The CRUX is a web site owned by the Boston Globe with stories written by Allen.
    This is where the false statement about Blasé Cupich being a “moderate” came from.
    Other forms of media picked it up from there.

    Be wary of anything coming from the CRUX (Boston Globe.)

  6. Here is a short video where Cupich states he is giving Holy Communion to pro-abortionists and sodomites – those choosing to live in mortal sin.

    (There is a short ad at the beginning.)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u70Lkm_V04k

    • According to Cupich, anyone will to sit in Church should be able to receive the Body and Blood of our Lord.

      1 Cor 11:27-30. When was the last time you read the Bible, Bishop Cupich ?

  7. What an ugly, unChristian hit piece…offensive in every sense, neither Chritian nor Catholic.

    • It is both Christian and Catholic because it is TRUTHFUL.

      And Bishops that approves of Sacrilege by anyone participates in that sin.
      (Sacrilege receiving the Body and Blood of our Lord while in the state of mortal Sin.) Rather than being a good shepherd, it is leading people to Hell.
      St. Paul clearly told us not to receive unworthily. 1 Cor 11: 26-30.

      Being responsible for the sins of others – including Bishops who knowingly allow Sacrilege, and Scandal.
      CCC: ” 1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
      – by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
      – by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
      – by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
      – by protecting evil-doers. ”

      CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
      It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
      Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. J
      Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing. “

    • Truth hurts, unfortunately.

  8. Linda Maria says:

    I clearly recall angrily watching Cardinal George saying, “I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison, and his successor will die a martyr in the public square.” These are certainly NOT words of Faith and inspiration to give us, to ignite a strong, victorious campaign for Christ, over the evil Culture of Death! Are you bishops already so defeated, Cardinal George?? Is that all you can do or say?? How pitiful! Well anyway, I know the poor Cardinal has also suffered for a long time, from cancer– bless him! But the American Church just has NO LEADERSHIP!! And Bishop Cupich should NEVER have joined the priesthood! He simply has NO FAITH!! and NO MORALS, sadly, either! Look at this grown Catholic prelate run and hide like a COWARD, from teaching, preaching, and upholding the Catholic religion!! He will, no doubt– further erode and destroy what is left, of the post-Vatican II Archdiocese of Chicago. We need some REAL CATHOLIC MEN for the Church!!

    • Clearly you don’t know Cardinal George! And by the way; I belong to the Roman Catholic Church….You evidently belong to the American catholic church. The Real Men are in the Roman Catholic Church! come home.

      • No, it is simply that Linda Maria is blind to the virtue of the men who lead her Church. This makes me very sad. Ridiculously overbroad statements about no leadership, no faith, no morals indicates a lack of visibility on her part, rather than any honest assessment of our community of faith. I’m all for honest criticism but hyperbole like hers has no authentic place in our Catholic Faith.

        • Linda Maria says:

          Anonymous, it is not cruel to say the truth! I am sure you will agree! It is VERY CRUEL, to be a BIG SELFISH COWARD, and go along with Evil– and refuse to stand up for Christ! Jesus said the truth all the time, and He made people so mad– they plotted to kill Him! Yet, He gave His life anyway, UNSELFISHLY and COURAGEOUSLY– for our Salvation! The least we can do for Him— is to try our best, to stand up for Him! After all He did for us– don’t we owe Him that?? Perhaps you will agree!!

          • Ann Malley says:

            And hyperbole like that of ‘Mous’ who would indicate that Protestants are saved because they believe in the Creed is absurd. There is no virtue in leadership that, instead of instructing, seeks rather to create a false unity so that no one will think to evangelize anybody.

            Like crumbling up one’s assigned ‘To Do’ list and saying your work is done. If we all followed such ‘virtue’ in the real world nothing would actually get done, but we could all ‘feel’ at liberty to play in between the nagging necessity to put on makeup and Da Vinci veneers required for fruitful photo ops. Oh, the pain, the pain.

            Sorry, Mous, but the ‘community’ does not trump the Faith.

            Keep on keeping on Linda Maria! We need your voice!

          • Anonymous says:

            Linda, I wonder if you actually read my comment at 9:50 PM. I didn’t say you were cruel. The fact that you can’t or won’t read should broadcast that you are incapable or unwilling to look at a situation objectively and rendering a reasoned judgement about it. You commit the sin of calumny against our leadership when you claim they have no faith, no leadership, and no morals. You provide not a single instance to prove such allegations, yet you hurl it against all of our ministers, then you have the gaul to claim you are standing up for truth. You might want to reign in your self righteousness a bit. Attacking the Church and her leadership with unsupportable accusations causes demonstrable harm to Christ’s body here on earth.

      • Linda Maria says:

        Alice– Did you know, that in various countries, Catholics are referred to by their nationality??– Such as, for example, suppose we have a news report, all about a situation happening in the “Polish Church,” or the “German Church,” or the “American Church,” etc. etc. ?? In other words– a situation affecting just that country, of the worldwide Catholic Church. Suppose we hear that the “Korean Church” was thrilled, over the recent visit of Pope Francis?? (Meaning the Korean part of the Roman Catholic Church– etc.) Also, there are different liturgical norms, Mass translations, and Feasts specially celebrated, and etc., for various countries of the Roman Catholic Church, in the world! Suppose, for example, in Chicago, in the American Church– they do some things differently, than in Korea, or Poland, or Italy?? Maybe also, the bishops and cardinals of one country, have particular religious rites and customs, unique to their own nationality!!

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          Annonymous coward,

          Please give us your definition of unspportable accusations. Apparently their own heretical statements don’t qualify, so give us yours!

          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          Kenneth M. Fisher

          • Anonymous says:

            I did, O Kenneth Fisher. When Linda Maria said that the new Archbishop of Chicago and other American Church leaders have no faith, no morals and no leadership – accusations with no substance to back them up – she committed the sin of calumney. Calling me a coward for pointing that out won’t let you off the hook for participating in her sins and therefore sharing her guilt.

      • Linda Maria says:

        Alice– by chance, I just noticed, in a catalog sitting here from Ignatius Press,
        — a book called “The American Church: The Remarkable Rise, Meteoric Fall, and Uncertain Future of the Catholic Church in America,” by an author named Russell Shaw. Well– how funny!!

        • This is a good book, well worth reading. Russell Shaw is a layman and very much a USCCB insider, having worked for the bishops for many years. Despite that, he is no bootlicker and presents an objective but sad look at the fortunes of the RCC in the United States.

  9. Linda Maria says:

    It makes me so mad, to hear a big Catholic prelate tell a reporter (like Bishop Cupich): “No, I will not withold Communion from anyone! I will not “politicize” Communion!” This is a complete betrayal of the religious teachings of the Church! Look at the Catechism, and the Code of Canon Law! And read the Bible, especially what St. Paul has to say! Just where does it talk about “politicizing” Holy Communion?? And where in the world, do these FALSE prelates get their “rights,” to REFUSE to correctly interpret and practice their jobs, for the Church?? And also– where do they get their “rights,” to SUPPRESS the true practice of the Faith, by dedicated Catholic laymen, in endeavors such as Pro-Life or pro- Christian Marriage groups, Knights of Columbus, etc. etc.?? Are such prelates truly Catholic– or atheists?? It is a MORTAL SIN, to SUPPRESS these very good Catholic endeavors!!

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Linda Marie,
      We mostly agree, but not when it comes to the cowardly “leadership” of the whimps of Columbus. I say this because not only have they failed utterly to expel per our own Constitution members who are giving scandal to the Knights of Columbus, but they also fail to get rid of the 1.18 MILLION dollars/yr. Supreme Knight, Carl Anderson who has failed to lead them into battle with the powers of darkness in public life and political life!

      We will never win this real war as long as we allow such organizations as the KofC to maintain their “Sacred Cow” status. Come on brother Knights, stand up for Christ not the Supreme Officers!

      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Kenneth M. Fisher

      • Linda Maria says:

        Kenneth Fisher– I had no idea the Knights of Columbus had gotten so bad! I only recall, many years ago, how strong they and other parish groups were, such as the Legion of Mary! I have not seen these groups in many long years! Well, how sad! How can the Knights of Columbus have any pride left?? Nothing for good Catholic men to join, for the Church, any more!!

  10. Father Karl says:

    A leopard NEVER changes his spots. Very few episcopal conversions take place when a modernist bishop is moved to another diocese. All the enemies of Pope Benedict XVI are gaining control, while orthodox and conservatives ones are being retired or dismissed. Look at the Opus Dei bishop from Paraguay who is begging to see Pope Francis, but has so far been denied an audience. An unproven allegation is responsible for this suspension, and canon law is NOT being followed… All this actions are deliberate. And it could mean an almost complete destruction of the Catholic Church.. We must all pray and make sacrifices and do penance that we are not swept away with the madness that is present everywhere, in our society and in the Catholic Church..

    • “….Very few episcopal conversions take place when a modernist bishop is moved to another diocese….”
      Is there even one example you can give of the “very few” conversions in the American Church? Do we have an Augustine or Paul in the room? Just one?

    • Are you referring to the Bishop who knowingly shielded an abusing priest who escaped from his North American diocese? Really, you are coming to his defense?

      • That is just part of the story that was sold to us. Do we believe everything we hear ? Local parishioners seem to love the pastor.

        • Anonymous says:

          I think the Church needs to be serious about protecting our children. Many abusers were very well loved by their parishes. Being loved means absolutely nothing lucia.

    • St. Christopher says:

      “Farther. Karl”: You are absolutely correct. Abp. Cupich is a truly awful bishop and will be a truly awful Cardinal (a position that all assume is coming). Prof. Kries has done a good thing by bringing out, albeit in a not very firm way, that Abp. Cupich is unfit to be a bishop anywhere. Of course, the pro-homosexual sexualists will adore Cupich (as will the pro-choice crowd, the fornicators and all related moral relativists); such are even among our readers. And, although it is not fashionable to say to, Pope Francis is also simply failing as a pontiff. A number of writers are terming his reign as reflecting “Bergoglianism”. We have a conundrum with this Pope: the Holy Ghost clearly assented to the present Pope; yet Francis gives all indications of being a disaster as Pope. Some will say — and they say it here — that the Church needs to “move on” and embrace the Catholicism of the Germans, of the lowest moral denominator (who knows if this part will even escape the blog’s censures?). Yet, the Pope is widely respected in the World, even as he does more and more wrong things. But, Paul VI (also a most poor Pope) gave the World the treasure of “Humanae Vitae”. Perhaps this is the way that the Holy Ghost uses to show that, indeed, He is steering the Barque of St. Peter. Who knows? And, who am I to judge, to repeat a popular phrase. But, one thing seems clear: the Church will shudder with the many Francis-approved changes happening and to happen: and the end of the Church as history has known it seems not far off.

      • St. Christopher, there are several possibilities about why the Holy Spirit provided for this pope’s election. Some that come to my mind: (1) He might actually clean up much of the rot of the Roman Curia, a task three successive popes have failed to do (I don’t count the short reign of JP1). (2) He might serve as a scourge from God for the Church’s unfaithfulness over the past century– despite a remarkable run of excellent popes in the 20th and early 21st centuries, the clergy and laity continue to fall further in moral and doctrinal degradation. Maybe we’re getting the pope we deserve. (3) While we’re focused on Frances from our American point-of-view, perhaps Pope Francis will be able to effect positive change elsewhere in the Church, even if we Americans are stuck with sub-standard careerists for bishops. (4) Given Francis’ live and let live philosophy, perhaps the regularization of the estranged members of the Traditionalist camp might occur, even without full accord over the status of Vatican II that has hampered reapproachment under JP2 and B16.

        I don’t claim to know why this man is pope. That being said, I certainly fear for another round of Jadot-era bishops who can do damage for years after Frances has left the scene.

        • Ann Malley says:

          There is an inherent blessing in bringing festering matters to a head, Fr. Michael. God does give us everything we pray for in earnest.

        • St. Christopher says:

          “FrMichael”: Thank you for your thoughtful post. Excellent, in fact. One particular anomaly: you could be correct; some deal for reconciliation with the SSPX seems to be in the works. Perhaps this is utter speculation, but the inattention of Pope Francis to Church fundamentals might be the kind of informality that permits these good and great priests there (at least many of them) to achieve some type of canonical status. Happy to see the SSPX thriving, including their wonderful new seminary in Virginia, near Charlottesville. The local bishops are not happy, of course, but that is correctable (as both are certainly corporate men).

    • I hate to say it but I think you are quite right. There is a very well organized and well focused attempt to subvert Church teachings and turn the Church into some sort of milk and water protestant denomination. I fear we are in for some awfully stormy seas ahead.

  11. Any orthodox faculty members left at any of the Jesuit colleges and universities, should focus on exposing and publicizing the heterodoxy of Jesuit education, seeking supporters among alumni, and challenging trustees and school administrations directly. The Jesuit education problems are the fault of the Jesuits and the know-nothing alumni (who were educated by them). Bemoaning another worthless bishop is a waste of time.

  12. The new Archbishop of Chicago will fit in with the theology of Who am I to Judge Pope Francis. Fasten your seatbelts.

  13. Yet another careerist leadership appointment from the JPII/Benedict XVI era. But I guess at least we know where Bp. Cupich stands. In some ways this is better than Archbishops such as Cordileone and Gomez who display facades of orthodoxy but have no intent to actually follow through on anything.

  14. Which of you has been give the office to criticize His Chosen?
    Learn the way of the Lord.

    • CCC: ” 2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized.
      It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
      Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others.
      Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.”

      Cupich not only violates teachings in the Bible 1 Cor 11:26-30, but also teachings in the CCC.
      It is not pastoral, or charitable, or merciful to condone mortal sin of any kind.

    • Code of Canon Law – under ” RIGHTS and OBLIGATIONS of ALL the CHRISTIAN FAITHFUL” –
      “212 §3. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church
      and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful,
      without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals,
      with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons.

  15. MIchael McDermott says:

    Michael Voris at CMTV has some worthy input.

    I liked the “Catholicism” series by Father Barron via Word on Fire, but Voris makes some interesting points in exception to Barron’s positions…

    Tuning in to such debates in turn helps make for an informed Lay population in the Diocese, which past and present events show the need for = ever more so now that so much harm has been done to the Church & its Children by allowing an admittedly small but powerful inner circle of Ephebophile Wolves and their Homosex enablers in to the fold, and not removing them immediately when their true coat became known.

    SEE
    http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2014-09-29

    • Without using these exact words – BARRON calls JESUS a LIAR.
      Since that time, I have no use for Fr. Barron and avoid everything he does.
      (Barron heads up a Seminary in the Chicago area.)

      The Words of JESUS – Lk 13:22-28; and Mt 7:13-14 where Jesus states those who are Saved will be few.
      The words of Barron where he states we can hope almost everyone goes to Heaven. – Fr. Robert Barron on “Whether Hell is Crowded or Empty”.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmsa0sg4Od4

      The Sin of Presumption –
      CCC: ” 2092 There are two kinds of presumption.
      Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high),
      or he presumes upon God’s almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit). “

    • There are a lot of better sources of information than CMTV.
      I always wonder what kind of Catholic is so ignorant or lazy that they learn anything from CMTV.
      If you are doing Catholicism correctly, you should learn the Catholic News at the same time or before CMTV. There are certain exceptions, such as when a fan of Voris’ tips him off to something that hasn’t made the internet yet. But on most news items, they are days behind.
      If you really want to be an informed Catholic, you should read various sources of Catholic News and always read everything that comes from the Vatican and the Pope in their full text. Michael Voris will have nothing on you.
      The Vortex is Michael’s op-ed piece. If you need Michael Voris to tell you what to think or even to echo what you think, I strongly encourage you to take a few moments each day to write your own thoughts out on your computer or paper before watching CMTV. Flex and stretch that grey matter. If your thoughts don’t match Voris’ and you begin to agree with him, go back to your own thoughts and see why. What did he say that changed your mind? If they do match, figure out what values and beliefs you and Michael share? Are they Catholic? Are they almost Catholic?
      Another great exercise, take notes on the Vortex episodes. You will find that your notes are not too long. Most of what he says is repetition of the same stuff. Each day has a little bit of useful information. Are you able to find it and express it accurately? (I notice that many of the CMTV watchers who post here get a lot of facts wrong.) Then do some research on the subject. See if there is more to it than what you already know. Did Bishop Cupich really forbid Spokane priests and seminarians to pray outside abortion clinics? You will find that story all over the web. It is not factually correct. Close but not quite. See if your internet research skills are good enough to find the facts.
      May the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth.

      • MIchael McDermott says:

        I just ;love; the Anonymous Trolls who trash this board – even Calling on the Holy Spirit to guide you (meaning the “ignorant and lazy” = Faithful Catholics) – into all truthiness…

        When the poster is too craven to even Tell the Truth by signing their own Name to their own trash.

        It speaks volumes about the Truthiness of such Anonymous Trolls when they claim a monopoly on Truth – Anonymously.

        • Ann Malley says:

          Well said, Michael McDermott. And yet these trolls are supported by chancery trolls. Much like those in politics who are rabid against a free press and anything that doesn’t march lock step with the party line.

      • The same ignorance and laziness can be ascribed to those who only fill themselves with ‘Catholic’ news outlets that report the good, good, good work! Or those who presume that informed Catholics are informed by only a single source. Why? Because reality is not always good, good, good. And it is precisely the filtering out the reality of bad fruits that makes such ‘news’ agencies suspect.

        We are tasked with being vigilant, Anonymous. But oddly enough, you only seem to use your vigilance to throw slurs and snares in your attempt to cloak that which is not good – that which is causing the lack of good to spread. That, whether you believe it to be true or not, aids the promotion of evil. By way of willful blindness and useful spin. (The absence of good is evil.)

        So while you think that others get their facts wrong, there is an attempt to discern the facts – not the narrative as you seem to prefer. For those you falsely paint as listening only to Michael Voris are, in reality, listening to folks like you. It doesn’t take a genius to see the sweep-it-under-the-rug methodology preferred by many a so-called ‘Catholic’ news site. And it is the comparison that makes more Catholics inclined to listen to Michael Voris.

      • CMTV and its founder Saint Michael Voris is the Rush Limbaugh wannabe of Catholicism. Lots of bluster, lots of anger pretending to be righteous anger, and a founder who clearly has not come to terms with his own sexuality. Be any wonder he lost the right to call his channel ‘catholic’. Using the internet to discredit every other catholic in the world (except of course the besainted Cardinal Burke) hardly seems the best way to spread the joy of the Gospel and a life in Christ.

        • Ann Malley says:

          …Mous, methinks you project too much:

          “…Lots of bluster, lots of anger pretending to be righteous anger, and a founder (poster) who clearly has not come to terms with his own sexuality.”

          It would appear you have sunk to the tactics that Fr. Bob B ascribed to the Greek Chorus. Are you finally stepping back to listen and view what the tragedy is actually about instead of forging on with the ‘main characters’ who refuse to listen and fall of the cliff to the ‘told you so’ of the audience?

          • Anonymous says:

            Malley I’m saying that Voris isn’t journalism worthy of the name. I have no idea what Father meant to ascribe to the Greek Chorus, you’d have to ask him not me.

          • Ann Malley says:

            What kind of journalism would you prefer, Mous, one sided smiling events that keep us all in place with it’s-all-good? As to asking Fr. B, there is no need to ask for you have demonstrated your use of similar tactics – specifically name calling. But since we’ve descended to last names, back at ya.

            The more he posts and the more you corroborate the more yellow the journalistic attempts to paint all as rosy is revealed. So thank you!

          • Anonymous says:

            Where have I called anyone a name, Ann malley? Making up another accusation to hurl at people, are we?

          • Ann Malley says:

            Intimating that Michael Voris is anything other than a normal heterosexual male is okay in your book, mous? And that predicated on your own ‘feelings’ while you call out others for questioning the motives of clerics who are actively giving documented, public scandal.

            What constitutes reality for you?

          • Anonymous says:

            Ann Malley, I am not sure which “mous” you are addressing but I would like to address your “journalism” comment. What the anonymous poster said is that you can access the exact same sources of news that CMTV uses. It is the exact same news.
            It has taken me a couple of days to even be able to respond because your posts here are so offensive. I really don’t understand your animosity to the Catholic Church nor your seemingly unending fascination with it and need to deride it, but hey there are comedians who are like that, too.
            They say “once a Catholic, always a Catholic” but I used to be a fallen away Catholic and once I left, I never paid any attention to what was going on in the Church. You kind of act like a divorcee who can’t stop spying on their ex.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Well, mous, perhaps the issue is that there is no divorce despite your obsession to pretend that the Catholic Church is yours exclusively, discounting those who have never broken their covenant with the Mystical Body. Kind of like the ‘new’ spouse who wants to negate the validity of a first marriage for convenience sake.

            Perhaps that is why you feel it necessary to join forces with other nameless individuals determined to undermine the journalistic style of CMTV. So yes, much of what they report on is a combo of what can be found on other news sources. Gathering evidence from assorted news sources, however, goes very far in showing the common threads in many stories – that of a loss of Faith and doctrine. In some instances the actual ‘news’ is how slanted the angle of each story is on another media source.

            By your way of thinking, however, Safeway should shut down because, after all, they get their Orowheat bread from the same distributor as Walmart. So your beef against CMTV is not the news, just the interesting reporting of how obviously slanted other news sources can be.

            If that keeps you from posting for a weak due to fainting spell, I suggest you follow Fr. Bob B’s advice and consider your own health moving forward.

            God bless.

        • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

          So now you anonymous coward are trying to infer that Michael Voris is a sodomite. You sir or madam are a creep seeking to pull good souls down into the gutter with you.

          FYI, Michael Voris had a very lucrative position in the so called Main Stream Media, I think it was CBS, when he decided to work more tor the Glory of God and His Mother. He knows more about real journalism than you could possibly ever know.

          God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
          May God have mercy on an amoral Amerika and His Church!
          Viva Cristo Rey!
          Kenneth M. Fisher

          • Anonymous says:

            Kenneth M. Fisher,
            I was addressing Mr. Voris’ viewers but you are correct that not everyone is a viewer. Perhaps they could have misunderstood what I wrote.
            Mr. Voris took a vow of celibacy in front of a statue of Mary when he converted. So no-I am not calling him a sodomite. I never call anyone a sodomite. I do not consider it pulling one down into the gutter to discuss this. It is to his credit, no matter what his sexuality to make such a vow and keep it.

      • You are the one Anonymous who gives no facts.
        You are the one who attacks others UNTRUTHFULLY – sometimes tactfully and sometimes not.
        You are the one who never gives documentation to support your own opinions.
        You hate the truth, and yes you have even attacked the “Catechism of the Catholic Church”.

        God Bless Michael Voris and the Church Militant TV apostolate.
        I highly recommend that people watch him.
        He has never slandered anyone.

        • No I’m not that Anonymous.

        • Lets clarify. I said nothing bad about Michael Voris. I did not accuse him of slander.
          I have wondered about his sexuality because of a video he made a few years ago saying that God loves homosexuals more than heterosexuals. But I do not know his sexuality.
          I do agree that he plays into people’s anger or creates it, which is contrary to the commands of Christ in the Sermon on the Mount.
          I am a great admirer of Cardinal Burke and I do not think he would approve of Michael Voris attacking bishops. He cancelled an appearance in England because the group that invited him did that.
          It is important to remember that Michael Voris is a lay person just like you and me and he has no special knowledge of the Catholic Church that is not attainable to you and me. The other anonymous poster is correct that he is not permitted to use the word “Catholic” in his programs and to his great credit-he obeyed the order from his bishop on that. He is like all of us. He does some things very well. He gets many things right. If your heart is with God, you can watch him and pray for him. He can be dangerous for those who have anger issues with the Church and with the bishops. Things get distorted online. We just has a facebook post from a person who said that Cardinal Burke had been removed from his duties. This is not true. Not everything on the Internet is true. You cannot be a person who believes everything you read on the web.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Mous writes: “…You cannot be a person who believes everything you read on the web.” Perhaps like we shouldn’t be inclined to believe the words of one mous claiming not to be another mous?

            Thanks for the tip 🙂

          • Anonymous says:

            Another poor judgement from you!

          • Anonymous says:

            Have you taken your notes on today’s Vortex?
            Let me start off by saying: Martin Luther did not remove books from the Bible. Do your research now.
            Also, this video delineates the main problem with CMTV.
            Their #1 goal as Michael Voris states is to produce programs to make people realize the “horrendous state of affairs in the Church these days in nearly everything.”
            The second goal is worthy: to educate people in the authentic Faith.
            However he adds the purpose: “so they can help fight this current state of affairs.”
            Are you able to see the danger to souls in this?
            He stresses personal holiness, which is good and necessary. But then he talks about how enemies of Christ in the Church (the leaders) need to be resisted and overrun.
            He is absolutely correct that Catholics need to learn the Faith.
            He mentions Cardinals and bishops who present an entirely wrong version of the Faith- this does not exist and it is dangerous for him to promote that kind of thinking. The Cardinals and bishops who he targets are not going to be hurt. It is the foolish Catholics who believe this man who will end up in hell by brawling against God’s Holy Religion. Do not offend God in this way. Be very wary of the lion who goes about seeking whom he may devour. Pray for Michael Voris and all those at St. Michael’s Media and ChurchMIlitantTV. Please try to obtain grace for him by your prayers and sacrifices. There is no Catholic bishop who denied Purgatory on television. Don’t fall for this deception.

  16. Okay. According to the rate my professor website, Dr. Kries is a boring teacher! Just sayin….now how Chrisitan is that?

  17. What a poor choice Cupich is to promote to a larger Diocese !
    Whomever made the recommendation should be fired, and no longer trusted, a traitor to the Faith.

    When is Cupich going to preach about the Mortal Sin of Sacrilege?
    When is Cupich going to preach about participation in the sins of others as stated in the CCC ?
    When is Cupich going to preach about the Mortal Sin of Scandal in concurrence with Sacrilege ?
    When is Cupich going to start encouraging Laity to read the Bible and CCC ?

    When is Cupich going to return to the Catholic Faith ? Rather than the Faith as defined by Cupich.

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      When is Cupich going to announce the Gospel and proclaim the incarnation of Christ in the streets of Chicago?

  18. MIchael McDermott says:

    Dear Loyal Lurkers at CCD – I found this Facebunk Page that amazingly is allowed to exist (for the time being) in accord with actual Church Teachings.

    Probably an oversight by the ‘Anonymous’ Gaystapo Thought Police, who will no doubt descend upon it like the wrath of the Abomination, just as soon as POTUS ‘Down Low’ Soetoro’s new Attorney General signals the Charge.

    In the meantime – Some may find it of interest.

    CLEAR Catholic Laity Encouraging Accountable Religion
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/CLEAR-Catholic-Laity-Encouraging-Accountable-Religion/344817645685943

  19. MIchael McDermott says:

    Sandy Dayglow coven coverup?

    This purported ‘priest’ says Homo-Anal Coprophile Behaviors (aka Sodomy) are “Eucharistic”.
    Apparently the enda goal is to force in the service of ‘tolerance’ – delivery of Communion via the ‘Third Way’ – Neither on the tongue nor in the hands, but rather via the lower colon.

    BTW in 2007 the Diocese of San Diego filed for Bankruptcy and paid over $200 Million in Treasure (40% to Attorneys) – that Could have been used to Help People – to settle over 144 Homosex Ephebophile Abuse Claims.

    Hence = Proof of their claims to lead the way in promoting ‘tolerance’ – for the Larry Brinkin Posse.

    SEE
    “A dissident Priest has had free run of the Catholic San Diego speaking circuit and the laity are outraged.
    Special Report – Sodomy Priest
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjraL5fNdNA&feature=youtu.be

  20. For the Slothful (lazy) –

    CCC: “1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel,
    bad example given by others,
    enslavement to one’s passions,
    assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience,
    rejection of the Church’s authority and her teaching,
    lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct. ”

    CCC: ” 1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility.
    This is the case when a man “takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.”
    In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.”

    The literate will have little excuse when standing before Jesus at our particular judgment.
    Read a Catholic Bible and the CCC.
    Give these as gifts for weddings, birthdays, Christmas, etc.,
    and just because you love someone and want him/her to get to Heaven.

    “….. let us ask ourselves if we have actually taken a few steps to get to know Christ and the truths of faith more, by reading and meditating on the Scriptures, studying the Catechism, steadily approaching the Sacraments.” – Pope Francis, May 15, 2013.

  21. MIchael McDermott says:

    Cardinal Burke rebuts ‘outrageous’ claim that Cardinal Kasper speaks for Pope
    Catholic World News – September 30, 2014

    Cardinal Raymond Burke strongly defended his criticism of the “Kasper proposal,” and said it was “outrageous” for Cardinal Walter Kasper to suggest that such criticism was actually aimed at Pope Francis, during a teleconference with reporters on September 30.

    “I find it amazing that the cardinal [Kasper] claims that he speaks for the Pope,” Cardinal Burke said. “The Pope doesn’t have laryngitis.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22763&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CatholicWorldNewsFeatureStories+(Catholic+World+News+(on+CatholicCulture.org))

  22. Linda Maria says:

    Anonymous, your last post is ridiculous! With no respect for the ladies, either! Have I ever personally attacked YOU– and even accused you of SINS?? I do not even know you– and that is BAD MANNERS, Anonymous, to do such a ridiculous thing!! Cardinal Burke has expressed the exact same opinions as I have, only PUBLICALLY, to the ENTIRE WORLD!! I admire him greatly– don’t you?? Want to make a BIG FOOL of yourself– and attack him PERSONALLY– and even tell him, he is committing big SINS?? Why not instead, just state your own views, OBJECTIVELY, on a subject, and try to provide accurate documentation– instead of going around finding ways to personally attack other writers, and then to even STOOP SO LOW– as to accuse them of SIN?? It is far better, to be friendly and courteous to people, instead of foolishly making enemies, of people you do not even know, by writing crazy things to them!

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