St. Callistus to move to Christ Cathedral

The present St. Callistus

The present St. Callistus

The following release came from the Orange Catholic Foundation on June 28.              

St. Callistus Parish is preparing to move onto our Christ Cathedral campus by  the end of this month. Christ Cathedral Academy is preparing to commence its inaugural school year, and the pastoral center at Marywood is preparing to move its offices onto the new campus in September.

To celebrate these transitions and provide a glimpse into what the future holds, we invite you to premiere our new Christ Cathedral Campus Welcome Video.

Click on the link below to view this brief video that welcomes you and our community to what will soon become one of the most aesthetically beautiful, spiritually nurturing, intellectually stimulating and overall exciting Catholic cathedral campuses in North America.

To see the vimeo, click here.

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  1. Horendo Mendoza says:

    “…welcomes you and our community to what will soon become one of the most aesthetically beautiful, spiritually nurturing, intellectually stimulating and overall exciting Catholic cathedral campuses in North America.” I don’t care if they bulldoze the place and put a crucifix on top of all of the speakers as they turn it back into a drive-in Mass. Will what comes from the ambo and what occurs on the altar and what is taught in the classrooms of the new cathedral be theologically sound, appropriately reverent, and in keeping with the traditions, Traditions, and teachings of The Church?

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      You need to get past your hatred that comes from a set of buildings that are not pleasing to YOU. Like it or not, the Church does not mandate that only those buildings that are acceptable to YOU are acceptable to the Church as a whole.

      I’m quite certain Christ Cathedral will be “theologically sound” and “appropriately reverent” whether you like it or not.

      Unless they screw things up during the remodel, there is NOTHING about Christ Cathedral that will contravene the “traditions” , (Sacred) Tradition or the “teachings of the Church.”

      • Rodda, how is the Christ Cathedral going to become” theologically reverant and appropriately sound” if the bishop refuses to “become holy” as Pope Emeritus commanded on behalf of God, or “practice what he preaches” so as to “negate the hypocrisy” of the clergy noted by the inhabitants of terra firma? So, while you place your faith in a glass house, the popes are placing their faith in God.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Horendo,

      To answer your question, all you would need to do is to read the reply I got from the Chancery concerning the heresies taught at the annual REC. Apparently the Msgr. who replied for Bishop Vann believes that is all right to have heretics teach at this Congress as long as their are some good speakers included. THAT IS NOT THE FAITH I WAS RAISED IN!

      I intend to answer the Msgr. in good time, my answer is pretty much summed up in the emphasized sentence above.

      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

      • R.B. Rodda says:

        Any chance you can remain focused on Christ Cathedral and not go off on a tangent?

        I have yet to see any proof that the Holy See has judged Christ Cathedral as not to being suitable for use as a Catholic cathedral. I have seen no proof where the Holy See ever discouraged the Diocese of Orange from purchasing the Christ Cathedral campus. I have also never seen any proof of the Holy See encouraging the diocese to dispose of the property. What I have seen are two things:

        * A formal approval by the Holy See for the Diocese of Orange to purchase the Christ Cathedral campus.

        * Ongoing carping from those who are upset because they personally dislike the campus. Their anger stems from personally disliking Modern Architecture and not because the Church has ever said that it was inappropriate for ecclesiastical use or that Christ Cathedral is an ugly example of Modern Architecture. Their anger also stems from not being able to control the Church, in the case the Diocese of Orange.

        There are examples of great and horrible architecture from ALL genres of architecture. Like it or not the haters are going to have to come to grips with one important thing. Christ Cathedral is objectively quite beautiful. It’s their personal prejudices and/or ignorance that keeps them from realizing that.

        The sooner they come to grips with that reality, the sooner they can tames the fires of hatred that consume their hearts.

        • Rodda, you are the living tangent, the personification of all that is tangential, the man of sparkly glass. Any bets on that Rodda carries a spray bottle of windex everywhere he goes?

  2. R.B. Rodda says:

    How wonderful to see continued progress on this project. I sincerely hope that the remodeling of Christ Cathedral is completed with good taste. It has the potential to be truly a gorgeous cathedral campus — at a bargain price to boot…

  3. R.B. Rodda says:

    The comment from the video “…this is going to be the largest cathedral in the Western United States” is very intriguing.

    Normally a cathedral’s size is based upon its seating capacity. Will Christ Cathedral really seat more than Our Lady of the Angel in nearby Los Angeles that holds 3K? Is there even any other Catholic cathedrals in the USA that hold more than 3K (the National Shrine is not a cathedral)?

    Perhaps they mean TOTAL seating capacity of all structures or the total land size (41 acres in the case of Christ Cathedral)? I would be amazed if the remodel rendered Christ Cathedral with a greater seating capacity than Our Lady of the Angels.

    Either way I love to watch the process being made. I just hope and pray they do a good job.

    • The Coliseum holds 100,000; maybe Abp Gomez can buy it and transform it into a cathedral. That would give the Archdiocese of L. A. two cathedrals, one being a warehouse and the other a stadium.

  4. Catherine says:

    Pope Francis and Pope Emeritus Benedict are very aware of the corruption within the Catholic Church. Yes, our faithful Shepherds in Rome know how vast this corruption is. Even the Supreme Court ruling informs us of how un-catechized many who call themselves Catholic are and how unfaithful a Catholic Supreme Court Justice can be. These unfaithful justices also praised bargaining with the devil. Pope Francis has also admitted that there is a homosexual lobby working within the Church. This is why Charles Wilson of the St. Joseph Foundation said several years ago, “Rome knows how bad it is. They are waiting for the laity to speak up.” I see that the poster who uses the name R. B. Rodda is also the same poster who undermined a faithful priest for defending the Catholic Church’s teaching regarding homosexuality. R.B. Rodda is once again praising money $$$ before he values upholding the teachings of the Catholic faith.

    Will the FACES OF THE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST also be invited to speak at a bargain cost of losing your soul? Imagine reading about the recent money laundering taking place (see article below) and then trying to fleece more money $100 Million from the faithful while defying the teachings of the Catholic Church. Poor St. Callistus. Her good name and works have also been defiled by a parish that is named after this good saint. Someone in authority at St. Callistus parish gave permission for pro-partial birth abortion activist Lorretta Sanchez to speak at St. Callistus Church. There has never been a public apology to make amends for this disgrace. This either means that they plan on continuing business as usual or they do not think that this was against Church teaching to have a pro- abort Congresswoman influencing and dumbing down more Catholics. Will Loretta Sanchez be invited to destroy the teachings of the Catholic faith and more souls in the larger size venue of the Crystal Cathedral? Many within the Church do not care if Church teaching is upheld or taught. They care about bargains and undermining faithful priests. Faithful Catholics should never bargain their soul or bargain with the father of lies.

    LORETTA SANCHEZ
    By R.J. Grace

    U.S. Rep. Loretta Sanchez stunned the political world in 1996 when she upset six-term Republican pro-lifer Bob Dornan by 984 votes in an election so close it is still disputed today.

    US Rep. Loretta Sanchez
    During the 1996 campaign, Sanchez used images of Our Lady of Guadalupe in some appearances and was permitted to stump for election in Catholic parishes in Orange County. She has also distributed campaign flyers on the windshields of cars parked at churches during Mass.
    But as the representative of California’s 47th Congressional District, Sanchez can hardly be said to represent Catholic values: she has been one of Congress’ most ardent supporters of abortion, is divorced and re-married, and has been a longtime friend of Playboy magnate Hugh Hefner.
    In her earlier forays into politics, Sanchez used her married name – Loretta Brixey – and ran as a Republican. But in her 1996 race for Congress, she dropped her married name for her maiden name – Sanchez – and switched party registration to Democratic. The tactic worked, with most political observers citing strong support from Hispanic voters for her narrow victory. (In 2004 she divorced her husband, Steven Brixey, and she remarried last year.)

    Sanchez has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and NOW. She gets a 0% rating from the Family Research Council, the National Right to Life Committee, Life Priority Network, and the Democrats for Life of America. She has become one of the most adamant pro-abortion members of Congress, in spite of the fact that she identifies herself as a Catholic.
    In 2009, in a reprise of her 1996 campaign, Sanchez was allowed to speak at an event at *St. Callistus Catholic Church in Garden Grove*, where she participated in a “prayer vigil” during which she ranted and raved against Republicans for opposing Obamacare. The federal healthcare plan, opposed by Catholic bishops before its passage, forces Catholic schools and charities to fund abortion and contraception. Not once during the so-called prayer vigil was Sanchez’s support for abortion even mentioned, let alone challenged.

    Taken from Daily News Los Angeles

    Senior Vatican priest arrested in fraud probe

    By Ljubomir Milasin, AFP
    Posted: 06/27/2013 11:28:46 PM PDT
    Updated: 06/28/2013 11:30:37 AM PDT

    Security guards stand in front of the entrance of the courthouse in Rome June 28, 2013. (REUTERS/Tony Gentile)
    ROME — A senior Catholic cleric, a former spy and a financer, all accused of plotting to smuggle millions of euros into Italy on a private jet have been arrested as part of a sweeping probe of the scandal-plagued Vatican bank, prosecutors said Friday.

    Nunzio Scarano, known as “monsignor” in recognition of his seniority at the Holy See, is accused of fraud and corruption for plotting to illegally fly $26 million in cash into Italy from Switzerland.

    The 61-year-old was arrested along with a former member of the secret service and a financial broker after an investigation into the Institute for Works of Religion — as the Vatican bank is known — raised suspicions he was involved in money laundering.

    Thank you California Catholic Daily for exposing the Faces of the American Holocaust and upholding the Teachings of the Catholic Faith.

  5. R.B. Rodda says:

    Anyone with even the slightest foundation in ecclesiastical history and/or design will find amusement in the negative/hateful comments directed at Christ Cathedral by those whose who clearly have no idea about what they are talking about.

    Many centuries ago Romanesque Architecture was derided by “experts” who preferred existing Roman or Byzantine styles. Hundreds of years later, Gothic Architecture was attacked by new “experts” who now viewed Romanesque Architecture as the standard. Just imagine that — Gothic, so beloved by those who love to hate Christ Cathedral was once denigrated by their forerunners who displayed ignorance and hatred similar to their own. That’s really astounding when one stops to ponder it.

    Even right here in California, the (now) beloved Mission Style which was developed here was derided by “experts” in both Spain and New Spain as being “ugly” and “crude.” Quite laughable today. Probably not so much back in the Mission Period.

    All we can do is pray for, and help educate those who feel their personal tastes (or that of EWTN, Catholic Answers, etc.) should be the sole arbiter of what is considered “good” and “bad” ecclesiastical architecture rather than the Church itself.

    I am really looking forward to Pope Francis’ first trip to Garden Grove so the entire world can be introduced to Christ Cathedral. Hallelujah!

    • Catherine says:

      Poor RB Rodda, All we can do is pray for this ecclesiastical legend in his own mind. You’re right! We do not have a personal taste for defending the homosexual agenda and undermining faithful priests.

      Pope Francis also understands that anyone with even the slightest foundation in ecclesiastical history will understand exactly what RB Rodda meant when he could not contain his emotions and undermined a faithful priest who defended and upheld Church teaching on homosexuality. If it quacks like a lobbyist … you’d better believe that this is a lobbyist. RB’s architecture conversation is just a distraction.

      • R.B. Rodda says:

        Once again, there is no proof that the Holy See ever even hinted that Christ Cathedral is not suitable to serve as a Catholic cathedral.

        Quite the contrary — the Holy See approved the purchase.

        • “The Holy See approved the purchase”? Why would the Holy See need to approve a diocese’s purchase of property? Banking entanglement, maybe? “We all live in a yellow submarine” (Beatles) apparently means we’re all subject to yellow gold. Too bad we’re not rather subject to the riches of Heaven.

          • Sure enough, the Pope gave a nihil obstat for the purchase. Msgr “Cook said these procedures are in place to make sure there are checks and balances at all levels.” So, Rodda, there you have it, the checks and the balances; checks to transfer money, and balances to weigh the gold. “All that glitters is not gold”, for sometimes it’s glass.

          • Now, on the other hand, Christ Cathedral, being glass could be construed as a giant diamond goblet filled with the blood of the martyrs and saints. Maybe deep down this is what Rodda sees.

    • Rodda, you claim to love the Christ Cathedral and also that you have “the slightest foundation in ecclesiastical history and/or design”: Don’t you find it odd that you would argue so vehemently and admit that your foundation for doing so is pathetic?

    • Rodda, you actually seem serious in proposing that Christ Cathedral should become the centerpiece of Catholicism!! You are definitely one wacky dude.

    • You sure know about the mission period, Rodda. That is most impressive. Do you have a favorite friar of that period?

    • Rodda, given the fact that you are willing to skew the history of the California Missions to a version which is more tasteful to you, I will from now on have a problem trusting anything you post here with regards to history, as having any real consideration.

      • Critical analysis is a good thing, Tracy. Btw, I said before that Rodda’s argument was a book perfect argument; but, I never said I believed it. He is good with form, but questionable with content.

        • Skai, have you read Rodda’s and my more recent post on the Mission story? I would love to know if you still think that he still has good form?

      • R.B. Rodda says:

        Oh? Show me where I “shewed” the history of the California Missions and I will provide you with a reference.

        You’re either ignorant of the history or you’re deliberately lying. So show me the “skew” and I will respond.

        • Rodda, any honest historian would reply to a challenge by admitting his or hers is one of various historical interpretations. But you put on as though your view is inerrant. You are so exemplarly of the superficial mind that it boggles the mind.

        • Rodda, Skai doesn’t have to show you where you skewed the history, I already did with my last two replies to you on the Mission story.

          • R.B. Rodda says:

            No you did not. I wasn’t sure if you were simply confused if you were intentionally lying. Now I know.

  6. Kenneth M. Fisher says:

    No wonder they disabled the comments section.

    This is typical Professional Catholic Bureaucratic bull.

    I have visited may Cathedrals world wide. Where is the Tabernacle that contains God Incarnate going to be located?

    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      Maybe the Blessed Sacrament will be reposed in its own chapel, as it is at Saint Peter’s Basilica?

      • Hopefully it won’t be reposed in a samovar somewhere along a wall halfway back by the folding chairs, where I found it one sunday in a local parish a couple decades ago. When the Eucharistic ministerette walked back to fetch the Host, it reminded me of a stewardess in the aisle of a plane working the drink/snack cart.

    • The newer churches just move it out of sight somewhere and it’s rare to see a red light anywhere, too.

  7. St. Christopher says:

    The “Crystal Cathedral” is designed to serve its original master — the “Hour of Power” ministeries of Mr. Schuller. It will be interesting to see how “orthodox” (in even a “reverent” Novus Ordo sense) the reconstruction of this monstrosity will be regarding the Catholic mass. Will there even be kneelers? Where will the Tabernacle be located? Given the horrid level of catechesis and Catholic practice under Bishop Brown, it is unlikely that the “Cathedral” will be anything but a “Mad Magazine” take on a Catholic Church. Of course the present bishop, and all N.O. Catholics will cheer over whatever awfulness is achieved. After all, these same good Catholics look longing at the absurdities of the “cathedrals” in Los Angeles and Oakland. Pope Francis has seemed to voice increasing concerns over the awful excesses of anti-Catholic architecture seen around the world since Vatican II. But, rumor has it that the Pope is about to name the truly awful litigurist Abp. Piero Marini as the next Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship. A perfect fit: a sour man with a pinched view of the Catholic Church as beginning at Vatican II and a liturgy to match, along with a “redo” on an objectively silly pile of glass that they call a church. The cynics among us will likely agree, however, that there will be lots of room for the pagan dancers that will surely be used to initiate the new mass there. Quo Vadis, Domine, indeed.

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      And it was duly approved by the Holy See for purchase and use as a Catholic cathedral.

      Some people are going to have to learn that their personal taste does not usurp actual Church directions.

      • Again, to repeat since you repeat, Rodda, why would the Vatican have to tender an approval? Answer: banking involvement. Problem: Vatican banking is up on corruption charges, a seeming perennial matter. Addendum: Since bishops funnel govt money, and the Vatican is involved, then do bishops from one country funnel money from other countries? How much are the various governments involved in the money transfers, and thus how do they regulate this money for their own benefit? Let’s have a muckraking investigation into any political or government involvement in this cathedral change of ownership … assuming it has changed ownership, for possibly the govt or some bank(s) or some investment group. Who put up the money?

  8. St. Christopher says:

    “R.B. Rodda”: What you say is true, but meaningless. Simply put, the Vatican, although too late, is apparently now regretting the many many truly awful churches that they have “approved”. Similarly, the Vatican does nothing about the world-wide disobedience to then-Pope Benedict XVI’s motu proprio, “Summorum Pontificum”. Does this mean “approval”? In fact, many bishops and country-specific groups of bishops are in open schism with the Pope and Magisterium. The loopy similey faces that the Vatican shows to the world hides a Church is complete meltdown. The Crystal Cathedral purchase only signifies a weak papacy and curia, focusing on other power issues instead of the important symbolic decisions that are made — unfortunately – by local ordinaries. Who knows what will be going on inside the glass edifice? Have you ever seen a mass in LA, particularly one presided over by “Cardinal” Mahony? Many many American bishops should be fired on the spot, having thrown away the decades of work and faithfulness of millions of Catholics by their thinly veiled support of homosexual sex (and sex of most kinds, actually), failures to speak out against overt immorality (like Cardinal Dolan does not speak out against Governor Cuomo and his living with a girl friend, supporting abortion, homosexual marriage and the like), tepid acceptance of the revised missal for the Novus Ordo (yes, Bishop Trautman, where are you now?) and rank rejection of all things “Traditional” in the Catholic Church (take a look at Bl. John XXIII’s “Veterum Sapientia” — completely ignored by all but a small handfull of bishops). The “Crystal Cathedral” fits right into this kind of “American Patriotic Church” as Michael Voris phrases it. Shame, shame, shame on Bishop Brown, the Vatican, and on the loud, and undoubtedly small (but very vocal) group of local supporters of this insane purchase.

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      Stop with all the noise your trying to introduce into this discussion (as a means to misdirect/obfuscate) and realize the truth:

      * There are beautiful and ugly examples of ALL architectural styles.

      * They may be judged using both objective and subjective measures.

      * Modern Architecture is not automatically “ugly” nor “inappropriate.”

      * Christ Cathedral is objectively beautiful — no matter what hateful bigots might like to suggest.

      * The Holy See approved the purchase of the Christ Cathedral Campus.

      * I cannot wait for Pope Francis’ visit in 2015.

      • “* I cannot wait for Pope Francis’ visit in 2015”: Why, Rodda, do you anticipate a bonus for your funding work on the building in question?

  9. Hopefully, people who find their way here know the difference between lucid traditional Catholics and irrational traditionalist cranks. Unfortunately, I’ve seen too many posts from the latter.

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      Excellent point! Outstanding! Bravo!

      Without a doubt I’m a “traditionally-minded” Catholic. It pains me to see individuals claiming to be “Traditional Catholics” (often incorrectly offered as a pronoun) and then do nothing but spew their personal opinions/tastes as if they know better than the Church!

      So many times their personal opinions/tastes actually contravene what the Church directs/teaches! The level of ignorance and hatred in their posts is astounding — sad actually.

      Some of these people need to check their egos or at least cease identifying as “traditional Catholics.” They are nothing more than extremists. Just like the extreme “liberals” they love to attack, they are nothing more than DISSIDENT CATHOLICS. If they are going to place their egos and bigotry ahead of the Church they should at least be honest enough to identify as what they truly are.

      Dissident Catholics.

      • Nor do you know what the Church teaches, Rodda; rather, you harp on and on about a building and then try to make as if the building is magisterial doctrine. Two faced you are, Rodda, whether you know it or not.

    • SV, maybe you’ve seen posts, but your post indicates that you have not or cannot read what you see.

  10. Catherine says:

    What blinded nerve!

    RB Rodda writes: “And it was duly approved by the Holy See for purchase and use as a Catholic cathedral. Some people are going to have to learn that their personal taste does not usurp actual Church directions.”

    RB Rodda is the very same poster who emotionally butt in with his personal taste and undermined Father Perozich for defending Church teaching

    Some people are going to have to learn that their personal tastes for homosexual lobbying does not usurp actual Church teaching and directions.

    And as the teachings of the Catholic church are duly approved by the Holy See some lobbyists are going to have to learn that in regards to homosexuality it is not “their personal tastes” that usurp actual Church teaching.

    CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition
    2344 Chastity represents an eminently personal task; it also involves a cultural effort, for there is “an interdependence between personal betterment and the improvement of society.”131 Chastity presupposes respect for the rights of the person, in particular the right to receive information and an education that respect the moral and spiritual dimensions of human life.

    The Boy Scouts of America no longer value the moral and spiritual dimensions of human life. Father Perozich was upholding the values and the teachings of the Catholic Church but RB Rodda arrogantly gave himself permission to disagree with the teachings of the Church. No wonder he likes Protestant looking Churches. He’s a protestor against priests who defend Church teaching.

    Taken from the Catholic Defender
    AVOID THE NEAR OCCASION OF SIN

    The Act of Contrition is a very important prayer: “O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You, and I detest all my sins because of Your just punishments, but most of all because they offend You, my God, Who are all good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Your grace, to sin no more and to avoid the near occasion of sin”.

    We are to avoid the near occasion of sin! However, how many times do we think that because we are adults, we think we have the right to participate with, entertain ourselves with, sin.

    Ephesians 5:11 states, “Take no part in the fruitless works of darkness; rather expose them”.

    There is certainly an addiction to much of this; pornography, abuse of alcohol, drugs, all of which contribute to domestic violence, divorce, rebellion.

    “Bad company corrupts good morals” (1 Corinthians 15:33).

    St. Paul warns us to “Become sober as you ought and stop sinning. For some have no knowledge of God; I say this to your shame”.

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      Stow your ego and follow the Catholic Church.

      The Holy See approved the purchase of the Christ Cathedral campus. It approved the edifice for use as a Roman Catholic cathedral.

      It simply doesn’t matter that you don’t like Christ Cathedral. See if you can begin to understand that.

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      And stop trying to introduce extraneous hyperbole into discussions with the hope of derailing them. Trying to introduce unrelated emotional noise into discussions in an attempt to obfuscate is bad form.

      • Catherine says:

        R.B Rodda,

        Lying is bad form. It is not good to lie. You are the teaching example of showing readers how our good priests are mistreated and maligned by those who undermine Church teaching, especially on homosexuality. You are aware that the bishop who said “yes” to the initial purchase of this Protestant Church was extremely interested in the homosexual agenda. This bishop let everyone know by a memo he sent out to priests and in his first interview with the Orange County Register and yet you unfaithfully expect that all Catholics should view this huge mistake as a bargain. The Emperor has No Clothes, no matter how many unsuspecting, innocent or trusting people there are.

        We now know why you are so loyal to Modernism. You gave yourself away. Many faithful priests are treated very terribly by even fellow clergy simple for teaching what the Catholic Church teaches. Pope Francis has admitted that there is a homosexual lobby within the Church. Do you deny that you made an undermining comment about a pastor for guarding his flock and defending Church teaching regarding homosexuality? YES or NO? Please answer that simple question. We know what silence will mean.

        RB. Rodda shows that he can in one post call himself “traditionally minded” and then quickly turn around and show his disdain, his vitriolic spite and true colors in another post when he think that no one is paying attention. Make no mistake, his mission is to attack and silence a good priest. Thank you RB Rodda for showing the readers that you are no different than President Barack Obama’s scramble handlers. Handlers are bought and paid “yes” men or in your case, Modernists and Professional Catholics who do great harm to the Church.

        When the public becomes aware of some great misdeed of Obama’s (and there are many) this is when you can be sure that Obama’s handlers will come out of the silent woodwork and tells lies. RB, You accuse others of introducing extraneous hyperbole but in reality this all ties into your many posts that expose your ego and your vitriol for Traditional Catholics and for priests who defend Church teaching against the homosexual agenda. Once again RB, it is not good to lie. How much did it pain you to undermine a faithful priest when he defended the teachings of the Church when the Boy Scouts of America showed that they no longer value the spiritual well being of young boys or men. How much did it pain you to show such vitriolic disrespect when a good priest, (read you’re smart aleck response below) makes a simple statement. The selection of the “Crystal Cathedral” ties right into your fidelity to Modernism. Yes, RB, It is very apparent that you have become “Irritated and Annoyed.” Please don’t accuse Pope Francis of hyperbole too! Those are Pope Francis’s Words.

        RB Rodda shamelessly wrote: “Without a doubt I’m a “traditionally-minded” Catholic. It pains me to see individuals claiming to be “Traditional Catholics” (often incorrectly offered as a pronoun) and then do nothing but spew their personal opinions/tastes as if they know better than the Church!”

        RB…..Here is another example of your disrespectful brand of charity.

        Fr. Richard Perozich says:
        May 24, 2013 at 9:16 am
        Nobody polled me. I like the translation because it richly expresses the prayer of the church from the Latin. Being bilingual and celebrating Sunday Mass in Spanish, I often read the old prayers in English and said, this is NOT what the Latin says. The prayers often were vapid, empty of the full rich language of God and the Church.

        Reply
        R.B. Rodda says:
        May 24, 2013 at 12:25 pm
        Latin is hardly “the full rich language of God.”

        Shame on your ego RB…..You’ve been caught in a painfully obvious lie.

        PS….Misplaced pronouns are not as obvious as “pronounced rebellion” and Modernism.

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          OMG Catherine, I’m sorry. I totally missed how you twisted this thread about a cathedral into a story about homosexuality. I should have known your obsessions would have steered it that way long by now. Of COURSE the conversion of a church building into a Catholic parish church is a gay thing! Duh!!!

          • YFC, Pope Francis tells us all that the homosexual dirtbags have gained grave ground in the Vatican; thus, it is you, YFC, who twists matters. You’ve already received some punishment in your body from your sodomic positions whether material or immaterial, according to the Apostle St Paul. You should search for the marks and seek absolution.

          • R.B. Rodda says:

            You’re right. It boils down to these facts:

            * The Holy See approved Christ Cathedral as being appropriate for use as a Roman Catholic Cathedral.

            * The Holy See approved the purchase of Christ Cathedral.

            * There are objectively beautiful and ugly examples of ALL types of architecture.

            * Christ Cathedral is objectively a beautiful building.

            Their obsessive machinations are nothing but hateful struggles to keep from facing the above.

        • R.B. Rodda says:

          Did you hear what I said?

          Stow your ego and submit to God through His Church.

          It doesn’t matter if you don’t like Christ Cathedral. It has been approved by the Holy See. Get over your arrogance. You simply don’t know better than the Church. Do you understand that?

    • Mark from PA says:

      Catherine, I was discussing the Boy Scout situation with my brother who lives down South. He told me about Dixie Youth Baseball which was founded down South to escape integration. People felt that they had a right to associate with whom they pleased. It seems that Dixie Youth Baseball have more members in the South than Little League Baseball. However, today Dixie Youth Baseball is also integrated. I have heard that in the South some group want to start “Dixie Scouts” so as not to have gay boys in their troops. I wonder if this will happen but eventually these groups too will eventually become inclusive. Discrimination against groups of people that one dislikes is becoming less and less common is the US today, especially among young people. Perhaps if you had a son who was in the Boy Scouts and you discovered that he was gay you would be singing a different tune. Would you want your child thrown out?

  11. St. Christopher says:

    “R.B. Rodda”: It will not matter what anyone says — you and some others will find the “Crystal Cathedral” an attractive worship building and many others will not (hardly making it an “objectively beautiful” buidling, does it?). It is also not disputed, and was never disputed, that the Vatican’s review did not seek to disturb the sale (which is not the same thing as positively valuing the architecture). However, you are completely incorrect, and will always be incorrect, by suggesting that “other things,” are not connected to, and reflected by, the accidentals of worship, including the form of the building that houses the Mass and within which sacraments are transmitted. The question: “what does it matter” is often given by liberals to issues such as: (1) why have kneelers; (2) why have religious architecture or statues in the Church or an elaborate altar; (3) why say Mass Ad Orientum; (4) why not have altar girls; (5) why kneel when receiving communion, or have it given on the tongue; and all the rest of the silly and feminized mindset, seeking to eliminate the robust rituals of the Mass and its meaning of reinacting the sacrifice of Calvary (no, the Mass is not intended to be a meal). The historical meaning of, and literature about, “lex orandi, lex credendi” is readily available and its reading is urged on you and others who believe that the form and content of worship is unimportant on the formation and strength of Catholic belief. In fact, the sorry state of the Catholic Church since Vatican II, and the overwhelming historical record, shows that the opposite is unquestionably the case: how you pray (and where) is crucially vital to belief. The Crystal Cathedral is simply a Disney-like edifice that fits well into the belief system of protestants (just like the old Compaq Center serves well for Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church). The form of Catholic Churches evolved over the centuries for purposes of emphasizing the critical nature of what goes on inside. Of course, many in the “new” Catholic Church, emphasizing the hard-to-describe Novus Ordo Mass, refuse to see or adhere to this principle, with the devastating result that so many people no longer see much point in attending Mass. And, in fact, that is really your point, is it not? Wanting to avoid the “Traditional” Mass and its ceremony wherever you can, along with the harder edged notions of “sin” and the need for “sacrifice” and “redemption”. How do you like the revised Missal? Really nice to have “Pro Multis” properly translated as “for many” isn’t it? Of course, many many bishops and others do not like this because it brings up that pesky notion of having to pay the price for sinful behavior, such as homosexual sex, abortion, and all that stuff. Yup — its all connected.

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      I’m not going to real one long paragraph but I will say this one more time.

      The Holy See approved the purchase of Christ Cathedral. It also approved the edifice for use as a Roman Catholic cathedral. Bring up as much extraneous hyperbole as you wish but your personal opinions and taste do not change the Holy See’s actions.

      You don’t more than the Church. Lay down your ego and follow Jesus Christ through His Church.

      • Rodda, the Pope said the corruption is intense in the Vatican, so intense that a Pope quit the Holy See. You evidently know nothing of Church or Papal history, which reveals that popes sometimes make major errors in their decisions. Also you ignore why the Vatican rubber stamped the purchase … you ignore the possiblity, ie the likelihood, that the whole deal is a money deal and not a religious deal. You definitely have some sort of financial involvement, right? You post exactly as one would post who is in the money flow of this deal. Have your fellow Masons put you up to something, Rodda?

      • Who does not know more than the Church, Rodda? Once again, what does a “Church”, meaning a substantial portion of those bishops in the Vatican, that is evil know? The answer is nothing. The good Pope Francis has appealed to us to get rid of the scum interfering with God’s work. You talk Church but not the Church of the Pope.

      • Mark from PA says:

        So if the Holy See approved of the purchase of Christ Cathedral then people shouldn’t get so angry about it. People aren’t being harmed here.

  12. Catherine says:

    For anyone who thinks that our Catholic Faith is not being compromised in the United States please use your search engine and watch Church Militant TV ‘Houston, We Have a Problem’. Will the laity remain silent if or when the Crystal Cathedral property is used for fake ordinations by fake ordained Methodist women bishops? Do you think that this same type of disobedience cannot happen. Yes, it can and it has. This abomination took place in Texas with the permission of a bishop. Please watch Michael Voris’s video.

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      So approving the purchase of Christ Cathedral should have been left up to you (or Michael Voris) and not the Holy See?

      Really?

      • Catherine says:

        More inconsistencies and more evidence of selective obedience. So very predictable! Now all of the sudden RB Rodda cares about obedience to the Holy See! Lobbyists are famous for disobeying and undermining Church teaching and then all of the sudden they remember to bring up the words the Holy See when they want to pull an unholy fast one. You certainly did not care about obedience to the Holy See when you undermined Church teaching by undermining a priest who is faithful to the Holy See. Since the Diocese of Orange Ca. is stalking the faithful to pay $1oo million dollars for improvements and renovations I don’t think that Pope Francis would call that very holy RB. He would call that unnecessary greed. Let the individuals who selected this big white elephant pay for everything. Every time I walk out of the church after Mass I hear many different people say. Wow! $ 100 million dollars!….Not one red cent.

        • R.B. Rodda says:

          You need to calm down, get hold of your emotions and stick to the subject.

          The Diocese of Orange had been planning for decades to build an actual cathedral — they had been using a parish church since the diocese was formed.

          Instead of building a new cathedral, the Holy See approved the purchase of Christ Cathedral — at about 1/2 the cost of building a new one.

          End of story. You need to deal with your hatred of Christ Cathedral. That’s totally 100% on you. The Church approved it. Get over yourself.

          • Emotions are part of the subject, Rodda. Don’t your realize that the Crystal Cathedral was built to appeal to emotions? Wasn’t that the sum total of Schuler’s sermonizing … emotion? You’re advocting Catholics should feel good about paying $100 million for an emotional high?! What, Rodda, are you dealin’?

          • Rodda, I’m glad you’re telling someone other than me to calm down. I thrive when wound up, and calm down only when the day is done (which is not always every day).

        • R.B. Rodda says:

          For what it’s worth, the $100M campaign to buy and retrofit Christ Cathedral has already raised $44M as of 28 June 2013 and it’s just really getting going now.

          • Where did the 44Million come from, Rodda? Did some come from secular govt, regardless of how well this channel might be hidden? From the gay lobbyists? From rich liberal owners of bishops? From the government?

        • R.B. Rodda says:

          The $100M is less than 1/2 the price of Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral in Los Angeles. 1/2 the price for about 5x the acreage and more than 5x total building square footage.

          A great bargain, thanks be to God!

          • So, Rodda, Christ is a dollar bargain for you? And hear I thought He required every iota we’ve got. Well, at least you’ve discovered how to buy your way into the Church with great bargains.

      • The Holy See rubber stamped it, Rodda. Remember that the Pope has said the Church is infested by infidels with collars … aka bureaucrats, these people manipulate and deceive as the normal course daily. What are you doing to help the Pope get rid of this corruption, Rodda?

      • No, Rodda, neither Voris nor Catherine would seem to be interested in buying it.

  13. R.B. Rodda says:

    This thread shows just how DISSIDENT some Catholics are who claim to be “traditionalists.” They have made themselves and not the Church the arbiter of what is acceptable and not acceptable. To heck with what the Church ACTUALLY directs/teaches/allows! They know better!

    The purchase of Christ Cathedral following the approval by the Holy See has made them seethe with visible hatred because THEIR personal desires are not being satisfied. To heck with the Catholic Church! They want THEIR personal desires to be satisfied!

    What they so sadly miss is that they are every bit as extreme/heterodox as the “liberals” they lust to attack. Both groups cast aside what the Church ACTUALLY directs/teaches/allows for their OWN personal desires. BOTH groups are DISSIDENT and both do grave damage to the Body of Christ.

    No wonder they are largely ignored…

    • Go ahead, Rodda, deny the God given nature of individual souls by denying the right amplified by Jesus that each of His children have human standing which includes the right to speak. You tryant types stop at nothing, not even truth, to wield your pagan ideas.

  14. R.B. Rodda says:

    FWIW, “Skai” should be aware that I haven’t read a single one of his many postings on this thread, or the last 2-3 threads where I have opined.

    It would be wrong not to communicate to him that I don’t read his postings given the large number he posts.

    • Maybe so, Rodda, but no doubt at all that you wish you could read that much text. I think I figured out what you do for a living; you are the guy in the US Senate who reads all the bills that are put forward, which explains why none of the senators has any idea what is in any of them.

    • Rodda, “FWIW”?? Ok, you’re excused. Check with your pharmacist for some remedy, though.

  15. Duly noted, Rodda. But you’re lying. You don’t like your points challenged, and that is what I’m doing. Say hi to your bud, the late Joe Stalin.

  16. Linda Maria says:

    I will just say that the Oakland Cathedral of Christ the Light is not, to me, a true Catholic Cathedral, and it is too HURTFUL to me, EMOTIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY, to even set foot in that weird place! I feel the same way towards the Crystal Cathedral. It is not for me! I also can barely stand to set foot in San Francisco’s Cathedral– St. Mary of the Assumption!! Especially on Our Blessed Mother’s feast days, and particularly, her Feast of the Assumption!! AWFUL place for a sincere and sensitive Catholic to worship!! PAINFULLY AND RIDICULOUSLY HORRIBLE!! PERIOD!! Aside from that, what good is the Papal Year of Faith, though well-intentioned, I know?? Why in the world are the terrible “wrongdoings” of clergy and nuns, never corrected?? For example– the disgusting Jesuit schools?? And WHY does the Church not kick out unrepentent Catholics, “practicing sin,” –?? such as Rep. Nancy Pelosi?? WHY?? If Archbishop Cordeleone desires a solid, “practicing Catholic” Church, that believes in the True Faith and upholds Christian Morality and the Sacrament of Marriage– why not excommunicate “bad” Catholics, and start the Catholic Faithful on a sort-of “total immersion” religious and moral program, in their parish churches and schools, with the “Catholic Way Of Life” lived at home, daily?? Like the Mormons!! (You know– that is what we used to do– live a distinct, CATHOLIC “Way of Life,” and not just on Sundays!!) So– then, WHY have the so-called “Year of Faith??” After all these years of Vatican ll and the disgusting American 1960’s tore the Church to pieces, like the godless Communist revolutions in other countries, while the Popes and clergy and nuns just sat there, ignoring it all, or even PARTICIPATING in the massive destructions?? So NOW– after all of this!!– a so-called “Year of Faith?? WHY?? There, I said how I feel, which I can’t help!!

    • R.B. Rodda says:

      All you are doing is putting your ego ahead of what the Holy See has approved.

      Like it or not, the design of Oakland’s Cathedral of Christ does not keep it from being a “true” Catholic cathedral. For everyone like you that dislikes it, there are others who love it

      But that’s not really the point is it. The point is that the Church has approved it as being suitable for to serve as a Catholic cathedral.

      • So, Rodda, once again you’re advocating psychology over religion with your use of the concept of “ego”. And you’re insinuating that the Church is determined by voter preference: “Many are called; few are chosen”. So, Rodda, your half hearted attempt at Catholicism once again fails.

      • Catherine says:

        RB Rodda writes..”All you are doing is putting your ego ahead of what the Holy See has approved.”

        RB, You are the one who put your ego ahead of the Holy See when you undermined Church teaching on homosexuality. Skai was correct when he stated that your cover is evaporated.

        • Anonymous says:

          Can you please explain to me why EVERYTHING is tied to homosexuality? Honestly I don’t get it. It’s not as if all mortal sins were the anchor of this website or of your comments. Only that one. Curious.

      • Linda Maria says:

        What I said has nothing at all to do with the Holy See!! It also does not mean that I am not in accord with the Holy See– that’s ridiculous! It also has nothing at all to do with so-called “ego!” That’s CRAZY!! To state it a little more simply: I do not feel comfortable, worshipping God in weird, modern churches– so, as a result, I am so miserable, I do not go there! That’s all! If one is miserable– best to go elsewhere! Maybe there are others, who feel as I do!!

  17. Back about 1970 a friend told me he had gone to one of the Crystal Cathedral’s pre glass building drive in movie services … somehow it did not leave a converting type impression on him.

    • Catherine says:

      Skai,

      Your friend was not impressed because this building was first built to suit a man’s ego…..Then this property was purchased to help a bishop compete with the ego of a Cardinal in Los Angeles. Now this “so called bargain” is being defended by R.B. Rodda’s compromised ego. There is no bargaining in hell for those shepherds who destroyed the faith of thousands through their disobedience to the Holy See.

      Douay-Rheims Bible
      Let us all hear together the conclusion of the discourse. Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is all ma.

      Wikipedia
      In the arts, vanitas is a type of symbolic work of art especially associated with still life painting in Flanders and the Netherlands in the 16th and 17th centuries, though also common in other places and periods. The Latin word means “vanity” and loosely translated corresponds to the meaninglessness of earthly life and the transient nature of all earthly goods and pursuits. Ecclesiastes 1:2;12:8 from the Bible is often quoted in conjunction with this term.[1] The Vulgate (Latin translation of the Bible) renders the verse as Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.[Eccl. 1:2;12:8] The verse is translated as Vanity of vanities;

      • Kinda, Catherine. He was there when the building had not yet been built. Schuller broadcast to the speaker boxes next to the drive in movie parking spaces. It was a drive in church. Then a few years later, a coed I knew in college told me she went to the drive in service also … not sure when the glass panes went up and people went inside for the service.

  18. Fr. Gregory Coiro, O.F.M.Cap. says:

    I don’t understand why a discussion of Christ Cathedral involves a discussion of homosexuality. Is it because its architect, Philip Johnson, and the designer of the Hazel Wright Organ, Virgil Fox, were gay? I never see anybody suggesting that St. Peter’s Basilica is bad because Michelangelo may have been gay. Regardless, Christ Cathedral is a truly magnificent building and, with all of the facilities already in place on that campus, will be a major player in the New Evangelization.

    • Homosexuality is the consequence of sin, according to St Paul. No bishop on the face of the earth today, or pope, can hold a candle to St Paul. But they assume that by the power of bureaucratic committees they can overshadow such Apostles. Seems they could find better things to do than whatever it is that they are up to now. “New Evangelization”: Maybe a twenty year old kid is impressed by this term … Say, I wonder if it has anything to do with what Pope Emeritus said about the bishops need to become holy, and what Pope Francis said about the bishops need to practice what they preach because as it stands there is the issue of hypocrisy that makes the Church look bad. Not to worry though, since the more technology used in constructing visual arts the holier the bishops become … Just like St Peters and the Sistine Chapel holified countless billions of the faithful for countless generations … Yep, Christ appeared as a great work of architecture which converted the world.

    • Dear Father Gregory Coiro,

      Thank you for solving the mystery as to why Bishop Tod Brown was so attracted to this ugly building.

  19. I was unaware that the architect of the Crystal Cathedral and the designer of the Hazel Wright Organ were homosexuals.

    Whatever Michelangelo’s personal disorders, his art and architectural design were rooted in traditional Catholic theology and reflect genuine beauty. Millions of people, including people of other religions, and even atheists, travel to visit St. Peter’s Basilica. They are drawn by the art and architecture and are given a sense of Catholic teaching on the beauty and majesty of God.

    The Crystal Cathedral was designed for Robert H. Schuller, a Protestant televangelist, motivational speaker, and author. It reflects the theology of a Protestant televangelist.

    The problem with modern church architecture isn’t just that it’s ugly – it actually distorts the Faith and leads Catholics away from Catholicism.

    St. Peter’s Basilica communicates the Faith, while the barren modern Crystal Cathedral leaves one feeling empty and alone.

    Given the state of modern Catholic catechesis, liturgy, and art, which is unrecognizable as compared to that which informed Michelangelo and his contemporaries, it’s not surprising that someone with a disordered sexuality in the modern age would not be capable of producing what Michelangelo was able to produce, with the talent God gave him.

    Homosexuality is a disorder. Ugly church art and architecture communicates disorder. It’s not surprising that disordered souls would prefer disordered art and architecture, and even less surprising that they would create it.

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