Nancy Pelosi, SF supervisors, Catholic deacon wash feet on Holy Thursday

 

Deacon Bromberger in white alb on left, Pelosi and Bishop Andrus on right

Deacon Bromberger in white alb on left, Pelosi and Bishop Andrus on right (SF Gate photo)

Nancy Pelosi used the Holy Thursday tradition of Washing of the Feet to talk about passing HR15 – bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would ‘reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship.’”

The story went viral after being picked up by the Drudge Report, whose banner headline read “Pope Pelosi Washes Feet of Immigrants.” The headline was slightly inaccurate. Judging from the photos, Pelosi was not washing the feet, but pouring water over the feet, which were then washed by Bishop Andrus. Pelosi was joined by other San Francisco politicians, including supervisors David Chiu and Malia Cohen. Three of the pictures of Pelosi and Andrus also show the next pairing of politicians/clergy: San Francisco Supervisor David Chiu with Catholic deacon Brian Bromberger.

Deacon Bromberger has appeared in the pages of CalCatholic before. In 2011, he lead a group of parishioners from his former parish posting, St. John of God in San Francisco, at the city’s gay pride parade (Three parishes in SF ‘gay pride’ parade: 7/1/2011). As recently as June 28, 2012, he was listed as serving on St. John of God’s liturgy committee, where one of his fellow members was Maria Eitz, who has since been ordained as a “Roman Catholic woman priest” (Will she be removed?: 7/3/2012) Deacon Bromberger no longer serves at St. John of God.

Two of the photos showing Pelosi helping in the foot-washing showed photographers and videographers scrambling for camera angles. The Spanish-language TV network Univision did cover the story.

Media responses generally ranged from cynically amused “Nancy Pelosi washes immigrants’ feet in humble Holy Week act — then promotions on Twitter (Washington Times), “That foot washing thing is a great opportunity to show how much I care for the poor” (Patheos), to the outraged: “sickening, shameful” (Brent Bozell at CNSNews).

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  1. Since this site doesn’t show the exact time of postings there is no way to know how long this item has been up, but I note that there are no comments. I assume that is because we all agree that nobody finds ex-Speakeress Pelosi worth wasting his or her breath on.

    • Anonymous says:

      Gil, take another look: this was posted on April 21, as you can clearly see near the upper left-hand corner.

      • Yes, but I was looking for the time. I was obviously the first poster after it went up. And, as I said a day or so later (cf. infra.), I was wrong about my (facetious) comment. LOTS of people are wasting their breath on the ex-mayor of Baltimore’s daughter.

  2. juergensen says:

    They legislate and fund abortion and sodomy during the week, and then are given the Body of Christ on Sundays. If butchering babies and sodomy are not sins that separate you from Christ, then nothing is, right? And there is no need for Confession, right? Or any of the other Sacraments, right? This is the lesson being taught.

    • John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Kathleen Sibelius, are not Catholic.
      They are Catholic HERETICS and SCHISMATICS (by Church definition).
      They support abortion, and sodomy marriage; and support other politicians and those who promote these sins.

      All of them have been forbidden to receive Holy Communion by their Diocese Bishops.
      But they purposely fail to tell the press this, and therefore are very deceitful with their public statements.

      Code of Canon Law: ” Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty
      and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

      • Gordon Campbell says:

        They’re still Catholics-BAD ONES.They have self -excommunicated called latae sententiae excommunicatio — [The penalty of] “excommunication having been passed”, as opposed to ferendae sententiae excommunicatio — [The penalty of] “excommunication needing to be imposed”.)which is a PRIVATE affair.

        Just ask Patrick Kennedy who was excommunicated for THREE years before whining to the Lamestream Corrupted,Vichy Media in hopes of gaining sympathy.

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        I believe virtually all of them received Communion at pro-abortion, pro-sodomite Congressman Edward R. Roybal’s solemn funeral in the Rogmahal, so what does “Latae Sententiae Excommuniation” mean to them, absolutely nothing! Some of them were even invited by Phoney Balloney Mahony to speak from the podium. Russia must be consecrated by name!

        May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
        Viva Cristo Rey!
        Yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
        Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc

  3. Maybe she could be excommunicated now?! How much more must this woman do to disassociate herself from her said faith?

    • Gordon Campbell says:

      She has Self Excommunicated “latae sententiae excommunicatio” — [The penalty of] “excommunication having been passed”-Formal Excommunication is PRIVATE.It is NEVER public-It is PUBLIC when a Pope Excommunicates someone( Pope Francis excommunicates Australian priest http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/09/27/pope-francis-excommunicates-australian-priest/ ) otherwise it is the strict purview of the person’s Bishop and NEVER public.

      I can assure you Pelosi has been formally excommunicated.She was warned by her Bishop AND Pope Benedict XVI-warnings precede excommunications.

      Just ask Patrick Kennedy who was excommunicated for THREE years before revealing the fact HIMSELF in whining to the Lamestream Corrupted,Vichy Media in hopes of gaining sympathy.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      JanJan,

      As long as our so called Shepherds can hide behind “Latae Sententiae” it is not going to happen! Gordon, where do you get your facts about Formal Excommunication being private. If that were so, the Church could not demand public pennance, could it?

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  4. Father Karl says:

    Another scandal, but with different players. Pope Benedict XVI made it known that only men’s feet were to be washed, and then, by a priest (who is taking the place of Christ). What signal is this telling the laity? That everyone can wash everyone’s feet. Three years ago this is exactly what happened in a parish where I was. It was in Canada. The priest NEVER spoke about the anniversary of the Holy Eucharist, nor of Holy Orders, but on SERVICE! It was a circus, and I witnessed it, with almost everyone washing each other’s feet. Anyway, probably nothing will be done to Nancy Pelosi. She also actively participated in a Protestant service (but with all the ecumenism going on ,then, who doesn’t?) If she received their wafer, then there is also big trouble. But as I just wrote, nothing will be done to her as her soul runs further and further away from the Mystical Body of Christ.

    • Anonymous says:

      Father Karl, what you witnessed in Canada was indeed truly HORRIBLE.
      A priest, on Holy Thursday, talking about SERVICE!!!
      Has that priests never ready the Gospel for Holy Thursday?!?
      JOHN 13:1-15
      So when Jesus had washed their feet
      and put his garments back on and reclined at table again,
      he said to them, “Do you realize what I have done for you?
      You call me ‘teacher’ and ‘master,’ and rightly so, for indeed I am.
      If I, therefore, the master and teacher, have washed your feet,
      you ought to wash one another’s feet.
      I have given you a model to follow,
      so that as I have done for you, you should also do.”
      Clearly, Jesus should have spoke about the Institution of the Priesthood!!!

    • Gordon Campbell says:

      Did you advise the BISHOP ? Did you notify the CCCB ? Did you contact the Papal Nuncio ? If you did not you have FAILED in your RESPONSIBILITY as a Catholic to protect the Liturgy.

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        Gordon,

        Many of us have gone much further than just notifying, some of us have actually gone to the Vatican under the sponsorship of an Archbishop and reported on many of these things, result, none! So what say you now?

        May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
        Viva Cristo Rey!
        Yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher, Founding Director
        Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc

        • Fisher, never try to discourage anyone from contacting his Diocese Bishop and or the US Papal Nuncio, and or the Vatican as appropriate.
          You do a great disservice to the Church – when you encourage sittng on important information, not to mention your encouragement to violate Code of Canon Law.
          You have done this on more than one occasion.
          .
          What you did many years ago, has no bearing on today. Based upon your post, any Archbishop worth his salt would have reported the abuses himself.
          .
          Code of Canon Law: under “OBLIGATIONS and Rights of ALL the Christian Faithful” –
          “Can 212 §3. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the DUTY to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church
          and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful,
          without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals, with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons. “

    • Yes, Father, but that does not explain WHY she participated in a protestant (Episcopalian) service. She has always given scandal in the ROMAN CATHOLIC church up to now. One big objective of the liberal abortion movement is to convince the less well catechized Catholics that one can be Catholic and pro-abortion (pro anything for that matter). Receiving Communion at the Vatican. as she recently did, really helps to achieve that end. Participating in an Episcopalian Easter service does not. So why was she there? It must be because the Archdiocese of San Francisco said she could not star in the Easter Liturgical services in the archdiocese (unless she publicly repented of course). If that is so, and I hope and pray it is, then let us all rejoice. And if it is so it shows Pelosi for the political charlatan that she is.

  5. Is it possible to be outraged at someone so obviously stupid and clueless as this woman? She is quite beyond reason. It’s as though she’s fragmenting before our very eyes and somehow her strange awards and even stranger passions encompass the very sickness that is taking hold of this country. Little nancy bouncing like a shuttlecock in her very own pinball machine…Planned Parenthood’s Mgt.Sanger award ‘boing!’ abortion is sacred ground ‘boing boing !’ showing her ‘love of the poor’ by pouring water on bare feet to the click of press cameras ‘boing boing boing!’ Between botox injections and facelifts it’s difficult to follow the game. If you were writing a sordid bodice ripper novel you couldn’t come up with a more outlandish character. How one wishes she would convert to Scientology and let them have the joy of her. Also, the interplanetary melieu would complement her ‘other worldly’ understanding of life in general. ‘boing!’ Actually, it’s not funny and though I genuinely would love to see her convert to Catholicism, I do wish she would just stop claiming to be one!

  6. Yet they actively make laws that support the murder of millions of innocent babies.

    Their actions are ONLY for political reasons – to get the votes of the ignorant.

    That is why they are doing this in public. Who notified the press ?
    Catholic heretic and schismatic Pelosi used the occasion for political reasons.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      This evening a young Latina came to my door on behalf of the Party of Death. When I asked her what she was doing as a Latina working for the Party that has as its platforn the killing of the unborn babies, she replied “the unborn are not babies (I kid you not)! When I replied if they are not babies, then what are they, vegetables, she replied (again I kid you not) YES! I was very distraught the rest of the evening.
      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  7. Allowing Nancy Pelousy to be involved in anything claiming to be Catholic is a travesty. Her tweet said it all about her. She’s a complete utter phony in every way that actually counts.

    She should be under the imposition of excommunication. If the Catholic Church in America were to have actual leadership she would have been excommunicated years ago.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Ted,

      Put the blame where it really lies and where I firmly believe God WILL PUT IT, ON THE BISHOPS!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  8. Life Lady says:

    Frankly I can’t get excited by anything Nancy does anymore. Clearly she has finally stepped off the “stairway to Heaven” and is headed in the other direction, on an escalator. She has the press show up at a Protestant service, in which she obviously panders and pours for votes, and doesn’t say anything about how she so loves her catholic faith, is it not obvious? By just showing up and participating she has openly put herself outside the church. She has publicly declared herself no longer affiliated with anything and everything Roman Catholic. Actions speak louder than words. The Church doesn’t HAVE to do anything but breathe a sigh of relief as she turns and walks away. She can no longer claim that she is Catholic, so break out the beer and let’s have a party! “Ding dong!” etc.!

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Life Lady,

      No celebrations until the bishops finally do their duty and make her excommunication public. She then cannot remove that excommunication without public repentance. Come to think of it, maybe that is why our pretend shepherds don’t make it public, they don’t want a fellow Demoncrat to have to make public pennance!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  9. This ‘noteworthy’ event took place in the EPISCOPAL church. That’s a big surprise, I think. It has been her modus operandi to appear at the center of major ROMAN CATHOLIC events, even at the Vatican, to show her Catholic credentials while aggressively promoting the culture of death. The idea is to assert that you can be a devout Roman Catholic and still promote abortion on demand, contraception, euthanasia, gay marriage, you name it. The under-catechized Catholics lap that up, especially when no Church leader speaks out in contradiction. It’s an effective strategy pursued also by Biden and so many others like him.

    But appearing at an EPISCOPAL church defeats the purpose! It’s tacitly admitting that she is not being allowed to put her ‘catholicity’ on exhibition in, say, the Roman Catholic Cathedral in San Francisco for the cameras. By implication it is admitting you cannot profess to be a member of the Catholic Church and deny it’s fundamental teachings. Having to go to Bishop Andrus’s church means somebody has let her know that the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco has had enough of her antics, and is starting to put concern for the Faith of it’s people ahead of bowing to power and influence. I think that is the big story of this event. If so, then we have another reason to praise God this Easter.

  10. St. Christopher says:

    “Dana”: Nancy Pelosi is far from stupid. She is politically cunning (and economically, too, at least through her husband and by whatever deals that she can cook up while in Congress — wait, is that legal? Better ask Senator Reid) and ambitious. Poor Francis — he is well intentioned, but does not realize — as wonderful Benedict certainly did — that human behavior, and sin, are more complex than the Marxist economic models that Latin American liberation theology types so love. The Church will move as the Holy Ghost wishes; we always must rethink that God’s ways are not Man’s ways, as none of the present direction of the barque of St. Peter makes much sense. “Father Karl” is also correct in his observation that the loss of a priest leading the washing ritual eliminates all sense of its connection to its historic and religious significance. The Church has made its bet — doubled-down, in fact — that ecumenism is the way and that the breach with pre-Vatican II “Catholicism” is a relic. Oh, there are flourishes here and there of Tradition, of Latin, of the TLM, but what of it? Nothing much of this is taught any more, and discussions with a senior priest advisor in the Diocese of Arlington, VA about the bishop’s approval of communion in both species was astonishing — the Church’s decentralization of authority is accelerating the chaos, the disunity, the expunging of Faith from what increasing is becoming a political institution. Nancy Pelosi is likely seen, by American Catholics, as a leader in the practice of her faith, not a renegade (maybe Joe Biden, too). Quo Vadis, Domine?

    • An excellent post, St. Christopher, as usual. I suppose I was using stupid not so much in the modern pejorative sense but in the old fashioned use of the word, as in a ‘want of understanding’ or in a stupor. (clueless) Her facial expression always reminds me of a deer in the headlights. Self-interest and cunning have nothing to do with intelligence, to be sure. You’re too right…most Americans see her and Biden as representative of faithful Catholics. God help us!

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      St. Christopher, oh how I wish your comments did not make so much common sense!
      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  11. I’m only on the 7th Circle in my reading of The Inferno. So far Pelosi qualifies for a lower Circle. I will keep her in mind as I read the 8th and 9th Circles…

  12. DottieDay says:

    Mrs. Pelosi is living proof of demonic derangement.

  13. Anonymous says:

    “Pope Benedict XVI made it known that only men’s feet were to be washed…”
    Well, Father Karl, Pope Benedict is no longer the Vicar of Christ, and now the Vicar of Christ, Pope Francis, has made it known that OTHER feet can be washed…including those of prisoners, non-Catholics (like the men in the upper room 2,000 years ago), and even lowly females.
    If this is so repugnant to you, you are of course free to form your own religion.

    • Linda Maria says:

      Please read Pope Benedict’s excellent, full text, on this matter! It is not “junk!”

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Cowardly Anonymous,

      Your ignorance is astounding. The men in the upper room OVER 2000 years ago, were all followers of Christ to be ordained. If you don’t even know that, how can you expect anyone (Thank God and His Mother, I certainly don’t) to listen to you.

      BTW. Many believe that Our Lady was in the Upper Room, but Our Lord did not wash Her feet!

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

      • Yes, Kenneth Fisher, Christ was ordaining His apostles at that ceremony, besides setting an example for us to help one another but in privacy not making a big show of it. Many do not seem to understand this any more. The Adoramus Bulletin website is a good place to get such information. Nevertheless, the Holy Father Francis is an older man who, I am sure, looks on young women as daughters and has no problem washing their feet as an example. The younger priests should not be forced to do something such as this, though, since it affects many or most of them much differently, that is if they are heterosexual. It does cause a whole lot of confusion, though, when too many rules are taken too lightly and not explained enough.

  14. This has everything to do with homosex and Andrus’s contempt for Cordileone.

    With Andrus and Pelosi it is a political jab again at Cordileone and Catholicsm—remember how Andrus faked his “exclusion” from Cordileone’s installation Mass.

    Pelosi and the poor—-Pelosi has a mere vacation home on Zinfandel Lane in the exclusive St Helena wine country of California where homes sell for about $2 million. I wonder if Pelosi washes the feet of the poor who probably clean her mansion for a pittance

  15. juergensen says:

    This is a step in the right direction for Nancy – toward and into the Episcopalian sect.

  16. good cause says:

    the ultimate fact of humility would be for Pelosi to wash John Boehner’s feet, and vice versa. No THAT would make news!

    • Ann Malley says:

      Oh, but Boehner is a man, Catholic, and a republican. That means he is the ultimate untouchable.

      • haha. You are sooooo correct, Ann Malley…the triple whammy! Can’t you hear the gasps and feel all the oxygen in the room disappear at the intake of outraged breaths? Oh, the disgust! Jesus must have been such a male chauvinist! snicker. snicker. And thanks for you lovely response to my post w/an attitude on latinoqueertheology straight up with a twist.

        • Ann Malley says:

          Oh, yeah, a chauvinist, obsessed with the constraints of ‘His’ times…must be why everyone is so hot on recasting Our Lord as some fainting lily.

          Thanks again for adding extra zest and real flavor to the good food of CCD..

  17. “But take care not to perform righteous deeds in order that people may see them; otherwise, you will have no recompense from your heavenly Father. When you give alms, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on street corners that others may see them. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.” Matthew 6: 1-5.” So much for photo ops, and all from the mouth of Jesus Christ himself.

  18. I was not including the Holy Father in this as he is supposed to give an example to the rest of us.

    • Anonymous says:

      Anne T., we’re all supposed to give a good example to each other.
      Parents to children.
      Catholics to non-believers.
      And so on.

      • Anonymous says:

        Yes, Anonymous, we are, but we are not supposed to make a big photo op of it most of the time. My point is the pope cannot help that others take pictures of what he does all the time. Also, priests are supposed to perform the foot washing ritual on Holy Thursday to remind us that we should do it for each other IN PRIVACY. Saintly popes, bishops and others do and should do most of their good works without fanfare as Christ said, especially since many times it is demeaning to the poor to be used in photo ops like that, so someone can say, “Hey, look at me and how good I am.”

  19. Anonymous says:

    Andrus is always seeking more headlines!
    When Archbishop Cordileone was installed, he pouted and posted and sulked about not being allowed to sit with the Greek Orthodox Prelates — but he’s in a whole different category than they are.
    When Archbishop Cordileone was coming to San Francisco, good old Marc wrote a nasty letter of “welcome” that was about as “welcoming” as a bucket of slops.
    Andrus is a silly little man not worthy of our attention…

  20. Well, I was sure wrong! LOTS of readers of this site are willing—even eager—to waste their breath on Nancy. They’re still wasting their breath, 24 or more hours later.

    • heh heh. Correct me if I’m wrong, Gil, but you seem to have wasted a few blasts of hot air yourself. I suppose it’s our fascination with ”what’s wrong with this picture’, where the more you look you find more clues to what makes the picture so distorted. I keep finding more, don’t you? The missing buttons, the lopsided eyebrows, the mismatched socks…Then there’s Little Naughty Nancy Goes to Washington. Naughty Nancy Does San Francisco…Nancy and Her Mystical Moments of Foot Scrubbing…Nancy Reflects on the Joy of Abortion and Same Sex Marriage:A Children’s Guide to Flipping Out…There just seems to be no end to her ! The possibilities are endless. She keeps going and going and going…but where, that’s the question?

    • Well, Gil, you must admit you were the first one to start it. (Lots of laughter.) We just could not help ourselves, now could we?

  21. Linda Maria says:

    None of the people involved in this cruel, mocking ceremony, are followers of the true Christ. They do not know Him! It sounds like a horrible political travesty, done by ignorant, immoral heretics. And Nancy Pelosi needs EXCOMMUNICATIION!! Holy Thursday is the date of the institution of the Holy Eucharist at the Last Supper, by Christ, and the conferral of the priesthood, upon His apostles– thus the origination of our Church’s priesthood. So-called secular or political “service,” has nothing to do with Christ! Since Vatican II, much damage has been done, to falsely equate the priesthood with the laity, due to abuses of authority and leadership, in the past, by the Church. A true Pope, a true bishop, or a true priest, sincerely dedicated to Christ– never abuses Christ’s people! Vatican II made a horrible mistake, in falsely “opening the windows and doors of the Church to the world,” to supposedly “let in some fresh air.” Instead– why not keep the windows and doors SHUT to the ignorant, unChristian, “fallen,” secular world, and PURIFY THE CHURCH!! Make it CLOSER TO CHRIST! CORRECT ALL ABUSES!! To me, that makes more sense! Is the post-Vatican II Church any holier, closer to Christ?? (Well, at least the Church of post-Vatican II has been made aware of some of her terrible corruptions and abuses, and has tried to correct some of them!) Anyway– what a terrible mockery of Holy Thursday, at this Episcopal church!

    • Our job is to bring people to Christ. You can’t do that with the windows and doors closed! Get real!

      • Linda Maria says:

        To “get real” means HONESTY! Not “selling out” to the world, with all its deceits and corruptions, because you lost faith in God, and in your mission, for Christ! If you TRULY BELIEVE IN CHRIST, then honestly– that is all you need!! St. Francis of Assisi had the same problems, with the worldly, corrupt Church of his time! Faithful to Christ, this Saint helped bring many millions of souls to Him! To follow Christ is not easy! But St. Francis was totally dedicated, and totally honest! He obeyed Christ’s call, when Christ told Him, “Francis, rebuild My Church!” And so, St. Francis did just that!

      • Ann Malley says:

        With the windows and doors wide open people flood in and out at random, cleaving to nothing, Bob One, like the natural motions of the tide. To get them to stay, one must discern the Rock of Truth, so folks will know what will last. Too often that proclamation is seen as divisive and even those who had the Truth let go and ebb out the door.

        That’s kind of what happened post VII despite the seemingly good intentions.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Linda,

      What you have more or less written was also written by several Popes who refused to endorse false ecumenism! I believe Pope Pius XII, Pope Pius X, Pope Leo XIII, and Pope Pius XI were among them.

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Linda Maria,

      What about the mockery of Pope Francis washing the feet of women and at least one Muslim? “The Truth Shall Set You Free” Jesus Christ.

      May God have mercy on an amoral Amerikca!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      Yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

    • Vatican II gets blamed for things which it never did.
      Here are all the Vatican II docs.
      http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/

      The abuses came about because the Faithful did not read them at the time, and protest the requests of the Bishops Conference to the Vatican, and those locally in power abused them.
      Just some ABUSES:
      1) Purposeful misinterpretations to support political or other positions.
      2) Indults requested by the US Bishop’s Conference (and approved by a Vatican Commission) to receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord in the hand and while standing.
      3) Bishops taking action to do away with altar rails for those who wish to kneel, etc, etc., etc.

      Many of the abuses in the USA were due to the powerful Cardinal Joseph Bernardin, who also gave cover to Democratic politicians who supported abortion with his Seamless Garment theory.

      • Ann Malley says:

        Then why was there the call to interpret VII within the hermenuetic of continuity? Wouldn’t that imply that there was room for a somewhat contradictory interpretation of the documents, Pete?

      • Ann Malley says:

        Also Pete, you write: “…The abuses came about because the Faithful did not read them at the time, and protest the requests of the Bishops Conference to the Vatican, and those locally in power abused them.”

        The Bishops were the ones who came up with the VII documents, Pete, so they would understand most clearly how to navigate the inherent subtleties of said documents to push for the changes they wanted. The ones who supposedly abuse their power are the very same ones who participated in the VII council. But the push of collegiality gives the local authority increased power, Pete, leaving the laity at the mercy of their Bishop – good or bad, truly Catholic or falsely ecumenical.

      • Steve Phoenix says:

        Pete, you are spot-on correct: what Vatican II’s documents literally state, and what a Nancy Pelosi will interpret as “The Spirit of Vatican II”. are of course completely distinct.

        Just for example, as Cardinal Alfons Stickler, a peritus on the liturgy @ V2, has noted, all the Masses of Vatican II from beginning in 1962 through its final closing Mass in 1965 were all the Latin Mass of Trent. Stickler comments in one of his memoirs that no one of the Council fathers ever conceived the idea, either at the Council or even immediately after, of the replacement of the TLM as though “sanctioned” by Sacro. Concilium.

        But if you read Rembert Weakland’s telling autobiography, “A Pilgrim [Heretic] in a Pilgrim Church,” Weakland describes his close association with Arbp. Annibale Bugnini, which clandestinely resulted in the New Mass, which was finally unveiled for P. Paul VI in mid-January 1968, at a series of secret “experimental” liturgies conducted before about 25 selected and confidential “observers” at the Sistine Chapel. Weakland, an erudite musician and musicologist, provided the musical settings. Why the need for the high-drama secrecy and clandestine production? To overwhelm Paul VI, who had nearly no liturgical-historical knowledge, with their new “primitive Mass”, a new Mass “stripped of its medeival accretions” (a classic Bugnini-ism) for Modern Man.

        • Steve Phoenix says:

          Faced with what seemed like overwhelming historical and “expert” testimony, and the powerfully persuasive personalities of Weakland, the Protestant observers/authors (like Max Thurian, Karl Barth, and Roger Schutz), Paul VI felt compelled to approve this substitute liturgy — or be threatened with the claim that he was “going back on Vatican II”. Thurian was told by Bugnini that a Protestant minister could celebrate the New Mass just as much as a Catholic priest—he commented on it in a French liturgical magazine, La Croix, at that time.

          You can read all about it in Weakland’s unwittingly self-indicting account. The point is: none of this was actually authorized by the written texts of Vat II. And now we have co-Apostle Pelosi, in an Episcopal rite, as ostensible priestess. And loving it!

  22. Jesusita says:

    Just by reading the comments, one can easily surmise who the liberals are. Someone will make an historical proven statement, and then the liberals will pounce all over the person who wrote. When Pope Benedict XVI was still pope, he strongly recommended certain liturgical practices, and the red hots jumped all over him, calling him a Nazi, and other terrible names. But let someone without any malice intended, point out something that just doesn’t seem right according to the liturgical norms, and then the liberal jungle telegraph has a field day, terming people sedevacantist, anti papal, heretical, uncharitable, mean, and racist. It just goes to show that the liberals are most of the time the most vicious and anti Catholic, even though they claim the traditionalists are. It is basically like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson saying all Whites are against the Blacks, when those two charlatans are the most mean racists around. Calcatholic does a fine job smoking out the liberals, who are intent on destroying the faith of our fathers, which has been handed down to us from the apostolic ages. The radicals worship Obama, Pelosi,and all things liberal, but loath anything traditional. Ave Maria Purrissima!

  23. They all need our Prayers. How about all of the good Catholics that voted Brown and Obama into office. Are they the ones that are so vocal about Nancy? They are in the same class and shame on them.

  24. When it comes to the Catholic Faith there are no liberals or conservatives.
    There are only Faithful Catholics who adhere to the Bible and the CCC, and Catholic heretics and Catholic schismatics.
    Let’s ALL use the correct terminology in the hope that the secular press will pick up on it.

    CCC: ” 2089
    INCREDULITY is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.
    HERESY is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;
    APOSTACY is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;
    SCHSIM is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

  25. Bob One – It is difficult to understand your comment. The doors and windows of the Catholic Church are wide open and the rules/commandments are the same today as they were a thousand years ago. There is no self interpretation as Nancy P does – such as the commandment that says “thou shall not kill”. Nancy just received Planned Parenthood’s top award for backing the killing of thousands of unborn babies each and every year. Does receiving this award make her an outstanding Catholic. I do not think so.

  26. Recently I was on a long distance passenger train. While in the dining car, the couple I was seated with, noticed I was wearing a Miraculous Medal. They asked me if I was Catholic, and of course I replied in the affirmative. The lady inquired what I thought of Pope Francis, and I answered them that I pray daily for Pope Francis and accept him as the vicar of Christ, but that I preferred Pope Benedict. Well, the ice age came to that table with my answer, but not before I was sternly told that Pope Benedict had driven Catholics away from the Church with his pomp and strict rules, and that Pope Francis was the people’s pope. The leftist media is greatly responsible for this, but then the liberals are all aglow with almost everything Pope Francis does or says. I see a rough road ahead for conservative and traditional Catholics. Just as I was verbally abused and later on totally ignored by the liberal couple on Amtrak, so too will like-minded Catholics be ostracized by the mean spirited progressives who will never give up trying to dismantle the Mystical Body of Christ, and all She stands for.

  27. Patricia says:

    Ken Fisher, it is a delight to read your comments. The misinterpitation of VII was brought to bear for us some years ago when a Preist was assigned to our parish that was openly gay and decisive in the church between the Hispanic and others. He was Mexican always referring to (His) people. When he started referring to Jesus as She is got pretty bad. When a group was organized to protest this among many other abuses to the Bishop, my husband and I had arranged meeting, we thought with the Priest and Bishop, he sent instead the dioceses attorney. The result of the meeting was we were to to just go to another parish. BTW my husband is Mexican, so this is not about race.
    I relate this to illustrate that the Bishops are the ones we should be blaming for things such as Pelosi and her sacrilege of claiming to be a “faithful practicing Catholic” and receiving the Most Holy Communion, is not being addressed except by a few faithful.
    We also were treated to the L.A religious Conferance that was scandalous to say the least.
    As far as our Holy Father Francis, it is the liberal media that continues to edit his statements to make as though he is soft on abortion, wealth, gays, etc.
    Our so-called Catholics in Gov. should all be excommunicated in my humble opinion.

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