How to choose the Pope

From Father Z’s blog of February 25:

Screen shot 2013-02-26 at 11.12.17 AMAnother amusing video on choosing a new Pope (this one from funny Lutherans)

And its from Lutherans … who are more Catholic than readers of the National Schismatic Reporter!  They are certainly much funnier.

Funny Lutherans!  Gotta get my head around that.

But they sure nailed it.

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  1. The Lutheran’s get it. They recognize SCANDAL within the Catholic Church.
    Many of our own Bishops IGNORE the mortal sin of SCANDAL.
    (CCC 2284, 2285, 2286, 2287). Why are they so blind or lazy?

    SCANDAL is what our Bishops and their conferences should be preaching on, not gun registration; not being 100% against the death penalty in all cases; not social issues without evangelization;
    and the miriad of other issues that support the Democratic Party of Death and have nothing to do with our Faith and Morals as stated in the CCC.

    Why don’t our Bishops get it – by enforcing Canons 915, 1399, and 1 Cor 5:11-13 – as appropriate ?
    Do they even care about SCANDAL?

    Bishops, do your own job !

    • Abeca Christian says:

      MIKE I can almost bet that some of them are infected with ugly pride and lacking holy obedience. Being in such power filled positions can sometimes bring out the ugly pride and self righteousness. Let’s pray for God’s righteousness to be done!

    • MIKE,

      Excellent post!

      “Why are they so blind or lazy?”

      MIKE,

      Thank you once again for always returning to the core of the truth. Over fifteen years ago Catholics attended a Saint Joseph Foundation conference in Fresno, California. Charles Wilson told the audience back then, “Rome knows how bad it is in the United States and they are waiting for the laity to speak up.” St. Teresa of Avila said, “With so much evil abounding it is not enough to sit with our hands folded.”

      The laity has also been silent for years because of respect for Church teaching and speaking out against bad clergy.

      Yes, God will even allow Lutherans to chastise his lax shepherds for abandoning their responsibilities. God will allow the angry man who screamed out about the scandals in the faces of faithful Catholics at the heretical religious ed congress in Anaheim.

      God will allow a resigning Pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI to awaken and warn us that, “The time of testing is here.”

      This video may be satirical and insulting but is has managed to capture the reality that plagues many a diocese. Where are Christ’s bishops? Pope Benedict XVI even said that the persecution was coming from within the Church.

      First Epistle of St. Paul to the Corinthians:

      27] But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong. [28] And the base things of the world, and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen, and things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are: [29] That no flesh should glory in his sight.”

      The continuing terrible sex abuse scandals were and still are the evil by- product of unfaithfulness to God. Many Catholics are just beginning to learn the very deep level of disobedience and corruption that has plagued the Church from within. Father John Hardon SJ loved God and Father Hardon was loyal to the teachings of the Catholic Church. He warned the faithful to be very careful when exposing the evidence of corruption that Catholics had brought forward. Father Hardon was very serious when he said, “Be careful, this could cost you your life, I know because they murdered my friend.”

      Pope Benedict XVI has experienced the betrayal of this corruption. God sees that many of his faithful who are not compromised are still silent. Father Z’s post shows that God will allow many means to remind his shepherds to clean house. If your house is on fire and your neighbors tell you that your own children are lighting bonfires inside the house, should you focus on the nerve or the denomination of the neighbors who are “telling you the truth!”

      It is more than apparent that many of our bishops are for some reason compromised when it comes to CLEANING HOUSE. Dialogue does not extinguish a roaring worldwide forrest fire but prayers accompanied by actions do. Pope Benedict XVI was telling us something very important when he said, “The time of testing is here. We must not use God for our own ends.” Resignation is a testimony of faith. “Don’t be afraid” “to fight the evil spirit,” what is important is that we do it alongside Christ the Victor.”

      Did you hear that? “Don’t be afraid to fight the evil spirit!”

      However insulting it might seem to be corrected or made fun of by other Christians or non Christians who do not understand the fullness of the truth, it is even more insulting to God for our bishops and faithful Catholics to DO NOTHING to stop the raging fire. Rome is waiting for a laity that is not quite as compromised by veiled or explicit threats and this is why I am grateful to California Catholic Daily and priests like Father Z. for having the courage to expose the corruption and videos that should shame the good sensibilities of the bishops and laity as well. The scandals are shameful and the underlying foul and pervasive culture of unfaithfulness has been thriving in darkness for many years. This video is just another means to shine the light on the darkness.

      On October 13, 1973, Our Lady of Akita gave this message which ties in to your question.

      “The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres…churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.”

      “Truth suffers, but never dies.”….St. Teresa of Avila

      • “waiting for the laity to speakup”: That’s a good one! I guess people who’ve never seen a real flock of sheep would go for that one.

        • From the Code of Canon Law –
          ” THE OBLIGATIONS AND RIGHTS OF ALL THE CHRISTIAN FAITHFUL ”
          ” 212 §3. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church
          and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful,
          without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals,
          with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons.”

          Educate yourselves. Each Catholic home must have:
          1. Catholic Bible;
          2. Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition;
          3. GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal) for the liturgy of the OF Mass, and 1962 Missal for the EF Mass;
          4. Code of Canon Law (Annotated).

          2, 3, & 4 can also be found on the Vatican web site.
          All abuses must be reported to your Bishop and if appropriate to your Pastor.

          “When you are ignorant of what can easily be known, you have to suffer the penalty…
          when we do all that is in our power, in matters where we lack knowledge, God will give us his hand, but if we do not do what we can, we do not enjoy God’s help either….
          How shall they obtain pardon who, when they see the doctrine of truth spread before them, make no effort to come to know it…”- St. John Chrysostom.

          • Please tell me you are kidding! The GIRM is a reference book and an instruction book. You would be hard pressed to find a copy in most parish offices. Canon Law is a reference book for lawyers to use, not the general public.

          • Canisius says:

            “Please tell me you are kidding! The GIRM is a reference book and an instruction book. You would be hard pressed to find a copy in most parish offices”…explains the conditions in the Church today Bob…..

          • “All abuses must be reported to your Bishop and if appropriate to your Pastor”: They were, Cindy, they were.

  2. I guess I stayed up too late to view this (it’s 1:30 in the morning) but I found little humor in this. I’m not sure what it is that they nailed. Someone more awake than I, please point it out to me.

    • Dan, it is a satire on how the major media almost always interviews dissident “Catholics” who believe and behave as this woman does instead of faithful Catholics who know their faith and actually go to Mass.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        I don’t know if I find this humorous? It’s shameful that these protestants are poking fun.

        • Abeca Christian, I think you and some others are missing the point. This video is not making fun of the Catholic Church, but it is making fun of those who call themselves Catholics who then blatantly oppose and disbelieve just about every thing the Church teaches. It is NOT making fun of those Catholics who sincerely try to obey Church teaching. Remember in the New Testament when the Jews were bragging about having Moses and the prophets as their ancestors while they did not even recognize the Lord as the Messiah? What did he tell them? He told them in Matthew 3:9, “And think not to say within yourselves: we have Abraham for our father. For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.” In other words, he was telling them that they could be left out of the Kingdom of God for their disbelief in him, while God brought in Gentiles to take their place (the stones). The same thing can happen to disbelieving Catholics. Any of us can be cast out of the Kingdom of God through our disbelief and another take our place by conversion. St. Paul said it too.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            I guess one can wonder Anne T but if this video was created by the protestants….doesn’t it just tell it all…who are they to poke fun when they are not Catholic…

        • This is humor, satire. Not enough of us on this site see humor in anything. Take it from the viewpoint of holy Lutheran people, who are brought up with their church’s teachings of Sola Scriptura, Sola Gracia (sic). They believe they are saved solely by the grace of God and believe that the scriptures are all they need for learning what God wants. They believe that Christ died for their sins and because of that they are assured of everlasting life with Him. So, all of our machinations about Popes and fancy dressed rituals is a bit of a mystery to them. We have got to lighten up folks. Not all of life is as serious as we make it out to be. Besides, what difference does it make who is elected Pope? Will it affect the life of the average Priest. Of course not. He will still have to deal with the day to day realities of the life of his parishioners and not much more.

          • Canisius says:

            “Will it affect the life of the average Priest. Of course not.” “Besides, what difference does it make who is elected Pope?” Let’s say the new pontiff calls a new council to correct the errors of Vatican 2, SSPX is regularized, and the Extraordinary Form is made the norm again… I would say that would make a huge difference as to who is elected Pope… just saying.

          • The Bible explains it all, Bob One; all the Catholic dogma is there. It is not the Bible that is a problem, but those who skew it.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Bob one i enjoy good humor but this humor at our expense from our own who are suffering their salvation is not one for me to laugh at but instead to admonish and pray for them. I do acknowledge that we have issues in our own church, many of them, it’s good to reflect upon them and hopefully it will wake us up but to hand it over to protestants who only wish to find fault in our church just so they won’t be moved towards the true church…is not what I call funny.

  3. The next “Pope” will be about as valid as the one chosen by the process in the Lutheran satire video. We will not have a true Pope until Petrus Romanus, St. Peter himself!

    • Okay, you’ve watched the movie “Fargo” too many times, Sparky. You don’t get to decide who the next Pope is, nor whether he’s “real” — that’s up to the Holy Spirit and the Cardinals.

  4. Peter in Bakersfield says:

    This is brilliant!

  5. Ba, ha ha ah ha ha

  6. Laurette Elsberry says:

    So the Lutherans are very clever, I agree, but is CalCatholic trying to recruit Catholics for the Lutheran religion? This video seems quite inappropriate to me.

    • Laurette, some faithful Catholics came through the sixties with the Berkeley Barb … this little ditty is trivial. Anyone with an iota of faith is not going to be mislead by it. Catholics are not allowed to hide from the world, the flesh or the devil; rather, we are commanded to go into all the world and convert it. You are not allowed to hide your talents, because if you do and the king returns, then you are toast.

  7. Maryanne Leonard says:

    Pathetic attempt at humor. I can’t imagine Catholics giving a moment’s notice to the goings-on in Lutheran circles. We Catholics are used to being the butt of humor, and have the ability to laugh at anything worthy, even creating some good humor ourselves.

    But good humor created in good humour is one thing; low brow humor, such as is usually created by Protestants and nonbelievers, is usually not even worth an inner smile.

    I’m wondering why the good father thought this drivel was even worth a moment’s attention, let alone promoting?

    • Because the cartoon is true.
      Due to most Bishops NOT doing their own jobs for many years in the USA, many Catholics believe in the substance of that cartoon – women Priests, therefore women Popes, abortion, contraception, not a mortal sin missing Mass on Sundays – etc, etc, etc.
      And since the majority of Catholics voted for Obama, just think who they would vote for – if they could vote for Pope based only upon their being baptised.

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Thank you Maryanne, I am glad that I am not alone in my sentiments. You nailed it and I agree with you since that is how i felt but wasn’t sure if I was too harsh. They are not Catholic and should not even do their critiquing since we can actually admonish them on their error ways…they should repent and convert and return to the real Catholic faith. If we admonish in house, then we rightly can because we need to correct our own error but to have protestants do so in humor, well I have mixed feelings about that.

      It’s more embarrassing when we laugh right along side of them. It’s like laughing at one of our parents when they are down….kick them while they are down…..doesn’t sound right to me.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        The video was obnoxious to me! Why am I not surprised that these protestants would having nothing better to do than poke fun at Christ’s church? Not surprised at all, shouldn’t they be reading their bibles as they attempt to self interpret it and pass out more of their bashing tracts? I mean no offense, I do like some of their faithful because I know them of being conservative and respect them personally but their women pastors and such, well I don’t really find that appealing. I wouldn’t talk if I were them.

        “Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. ”
        ~~Douay-Rheims Bible Matthew 7:5

    • When they laugh at Catholic holiness, then you know we’ve won.

  8. There should be explicit qualifications for even being considered as a Pope.

    1) a history of converting people to become Catholic

    2) has picketed or protested against abortionists

    3) has a history of cleaning house of dissidents for every appointment he has previously received

    4) has mandated that Catholic schools hire teachers who want to teach according to the tenets of the Church

    5) lives in the rectory instead of a pricey estate

    6) has a history of preaching against sin and is able to define what sin is

    Such elementary qualifications would no doubt exclude a majority of the present Cardinals. So sad.

    • Maryanne Leonard says:

      Gee, John, according to your list, I have achieved several of the qualifications, and aside from being a woman, I don’t think I could qualify for pope even if lived in a rectory, mandated that only Catholics teach our Catholic school kids, etc., etc. Your list needs just a teensy bit of fleshing out, my friend, but it raises several excellent points, and those points are well taken.

    • I think I’ve run into someone like this.

  9. The conservative branch, the Missouri Synod, to say nothing of the more liberal branches, has official, codified doctrine that whomever sits in St. Peter’s chair is the actual antichrist on earth.

    So in terms of my opinion on their opinion of Catholicism and our successive Holy Fathers?

    ’nuff said?

    • Since few Catholics know what the pope is, then why diss the Lutherans for not knowing who the pope is? BTW, my actual non-flippant point here is that there is a critical difference between the people in a religion and the doctrines of the religion they’re in. Eg, I grew up Lutheran but had no idea what the Catholic Church is … never heard of it except in Tales of Robin Hood on TV. Again, cradle Catholics presume that everyone is tuned into Catholicism … they’re not. They don’t care, and they pay no mind to it.

      • All of that that you just said does not ameliorate the Lutherans’ codified position on the successors to St. Peter as being The AntiChrist. Luther, a Catholic priest, has lead many sheep away from their own earthly vicar. Those sheep, “they don’t care” as you say. How sad that is.

        • Brad, the point I’m trying to make is not to evaluate Luther the “pied piper, but to illuminate the fact that Lutherans are not always well informed … Most Catholics have little knowledge of their religion, so why would Lutherans or Baptists have any idea what their religion teaches? People naturally tend to follow other people, those whom they like or who are leaders regardless of what they believe or profess. That is what religious leaders tend to count on. Jesus addressed this problem often, and thoroughly … which is why He bothered to guarantee the Church against the gates of Hell. If people follow only the truth, then there would be no need for the guarantee. You need to rise from seeing people as cartoon figures to souls striving for the best they can get.

    • Maryanne Leonard says:

      Wow, Brad, is that a certainty? Whew. I guess they are superior to us then, since they are merely anti-Catholic.

  10. Hmn, which Lutheran mentality is one reason I never quite got the hang of it. Guess my Lutheran extended family roots were maybe more utilitarian than “high” Lutheran. But this little video sure as all get out reflects “staunch” Lutheranity … I always about retch when I run into these people … how can they be so “stuffy” is one of the questions of all time. Even the “high” Catholic culture is more realistic than these cardios waiting to happen cultural quagmires. My mother’s father’s uncle was one of the founders of Missouri Synod Lutheran church in the USA, and has statues all over St Louis … So, now I understand why old “Gramp” loved those Charlie Chaplin movies where the upper crust would always end up with pie in their faces … literally. I think Gramp steered the family tree away from it, as we all seemed to go our own way … I found the Catholic Church but it sure took a lot of searching since it was mostly hidden behind the circled wagons; not easy to get one’s toe in the door without the help of the Doctors of the Church, the Saints and Angels because of the bizarre mentality expressed by many cradle Catholics on this site. The real question is why? I think it is spiritual courage. I think even the Pope has a kind of mitigated grasp of courage, expressed in his speech where he says it is a courageous thing to step down from the papacy … He says his mind is too weak to carry on, and so the question is begged … Who writes his public addresses now? The fact that this Lutheran pitch was made shows that there is a great great deal missing from Catholic bishops … There are four cardinal virtues … Are all of them missing from the bishops, or just some of them? This Lutheran video owes its existence to the missing virtues among the bishops, a fact that everyone can see very easily, except the bishops themselves.

    • Paleobotanist says:

      Luther is not defined an a heretic…his followers are…he was infinitley worse…he was a “Heresyarch”…along with King Henry the VIII, and a few others…in fact, Henry has been likened to being a kind of “mini” anti-christ…

      • St John tells us in one of his Letters that there are many little anti-Christs running around; that was then, and this is now, and no reason to think they went away anytime in between. We are not to fear the anti-Christs, or the Anti-Christ.

  11. It would be helpful to choose a new Pope who isn’t at risk of public embarrassment, or worse, from the sex abuse scandal……but that might be an impossible task. God help the conclave, they’re going to need it.

    • How about a pope whose first act would be to disband the entire Vatican? Just imagine … where would they all go and what would they all do?

  12. Abeca Christian says:

    If I was a noble gentleman I would punch the man who created this. I find it insulting to insult our faith like this…..just because we have bad Catholics who shame our faith, it doesn’t mean that the rest of the faithful are like that.

    ……….But since I am a lady and I can’t punch that creator of this video but I will do better, pray for their conversion!

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Maybe a good slap in the face is OK? That is what a lady would do when someone mocks or strikes at one of their own, especially our fallen and mislead from within, our issues are our issues, why should protestants take up so much time to mock us? Just think how much time it took to make that video? This video not only shows the issues we have with some within our church but it also helps the bad willed Catholics leave and join their sects. They found a reason to recruit more Catholics into their sects…it’s all how we view this….those that know better don’t fall for their tactics but those who are in really bad will…well that is something.

  13. These Lutherans sound like better Catholics than a lot of Catholics.

  14. I really enjoyed this. The character reminds me of the gaggle of lay liturgical insiders at my parish.

    • Mark from PA says:

      I looked this up and also viewed The Westboro Baptist Chipmunks. That one was really great. It was a good message for self-righteous haters.

    • Switch to a traditional parish and you’ll find a dearth of “lay liturgical leaders” who compete with Saturday Night Live for religious understanding.

    • Exactly, Rodda … high church laity.

  15. I’m really shocked that Father Z would say that Lutherans are more Catholic than NCR. There are different kinds of Lutherans; some are pro-choice. Some are pro-gay marriage. Lutherans aren’t like the Catholic Church where there is a unified belief system that you can point at and say Lutherans believe such and such. I think some of them have women priests. I don’t think Lutherans would take that as a compliment either.

    • Paleobotanist says:

      Lutherans are much like Episcopalians…you can ask 10 of their clergy the same question…and get 10 different answers…that’s “protestantism”…the most cunning and sly of all the devil’s heresies…his masterpiece.. if you will…as it appeal’s to man’s “ego”…that which many men most honor…the “unquenchable “ego”…and all that it implies…

      • “Ego” is a Freudian term. There really is no such thing as an ego. Study the life work of Blessed John Paul II and you’ll discover the reality that the Church has always taught, that the world tries to replace with “ego”.

        • Paleobotanist says:

          Funny…Bishop Sheen used it a lot in his writings…check it out…

          • Paleobotanist says:

            The fact that JPII did not use the word “ego” is irrelevant Skai…I’m sure he did not use a number of clinical terms that are related to the discipilne of Behavioral Science…that does not invalidate it’s use, defintion, or applicability…

    • Abeca Christian says:

      k I agree with you. And yes they do have women pastors in some of their parishes…..

      • Maryanne Leonard says:

        Yes, they do, and I know of one married Lutheran seminarian who is on her third husband, having broken up marriages to get these husbands, and who tried to break up my girlfriend’s marriage by having an affair with my friend’s husband – a seminarian in a Lutheran seminary. Maybe the Church’s wisdom in deciding that our priests should remain unmarried and celibate and that only men should be ordained has a bit of common sense behind it.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Well I don’t agree with K’s part about the NCR….because maybe there is a point to all this….

    • K, he is talking about the “National Catholic Reporter”, which pushes women priests, etc. not the “National Catholic Register”, which is faithful to the Magesterium. The Missouri Synod of Lutherans are very pro-life, pro-traditional family. Some other Lutherans are not, so Fr. Z. I am sure was referring to the Missouri Synod of Lutherans.

      • Or those who believe like them. He is only saying that some Lutherans are closer to being Catholic than some dissident Catholics.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          Yes I can understand that part Anne T….I still don’t like how they mock our church….that is all. Thank you….. : )

          • Abeca, I understand, but there is sinful behavior at times in all denominations and churches, and we, too, have made fun of them at times. I really do not think the point was to mock us but to mock the hypocrisy of the dissidents.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Anne T but the question still applies, on what authority do they have to mock those whom they think are Catholic dissidents. Just think, for example, you have siblings and a few go astray, I wouldn’t want my neighbor to make fun or poke fun of my siblings, I am not going to sit by those pesky neighbors who were always jealous or even envious and they find an opportunity to poke fun at someone’s family or relative, am I to laugh at my lost brethren with and when our enemies are mocking them?

            NO…we have our issues in-house let us correct them and admonish but outsiders should stay out of it especially when they are no different either because they choose not to convert and come to the wholeness of Christ’s truth and church…they deny that our church is the true Christian faith, that is why they are protestant…they feel that they are the true Christians…..all while they poke fun of our brothers and sisters who are in error.

            We in-house can and should correct our own not outsiders who still deny Christ’s true Christian church. That is how I feel about this. I can see why this would be easy to laugh about but I choose not to partake in it with these lost protestants who mock our own…I guess our Bishops needs to listen and see this video and stand up and correct our own who are in error….that is the best solution!

    • k, a priest or priestess is one who performs a religious ritual sacrifice of life … those whose sacrifice is an unborn baby are in deep cowabunga.

  16. I am not really shocked to read that the same individual who uses the name k, is now trying to cleverly undermine another faithful priest.

    This is the same individual who joined in informing readers of the discrediting of another faithful priest for not giving Holy Communion to a lesbian who had announced that she was living with her lesbian partner. Father Z is courageous and speaks out where compromised clergy fear to tread. This poster also defends anti-Cathollic websites that promote the homoheresy that Father Dariusz Oko writes about in his report.

    “Many uninformed in the Church today .. especially in the United States and its “don’t hurt anyone’s feelings” climate scoff at the idea of a homosexual underground in the Church ..what the polish PhD priest Fr. Oko calls the homolobby.”

    This is the tactic that Catholics must recognize. Many betrayers realize that they must publicly sound Catholic while privately disagreeing with Church teaching. Pope Benedict XVI surely recognized this tactic when he said, “Don’t be afraid to fight the evil spirit.”

    This is why many priests and bishops are also compromised. This is what you will face for being faithful to all of the teachings of the Catholic Church. Do faithful Catholics truly think for one moment that this faithful priest named Father Guarnizo was intimidating parish staff? No we don’t!

    However, the letter below sure looks like a letter of intimidation meant to silence anyone who does have the courage to simply act as a faithful Catholic priest.

    Dear Brother Priest,

    I write to inform you that effective today, Father Marcel Guarnizo’s assignment at St. John Neumann Parish is withdrawn and he has been placed on administrative leave with his priestly faculties removed until such time as an inquiry into his actions at the parish is completed.
    This action was taken after I received credible allegations that Father Guarnizo has engaged in intimidating behavior toward parish staff and others that is incompatible with proper priestly ministry.

    Given the grave nature of these allegations, and in light of the confusion in the parish and the concerns expressed by parishioners, Father Guarnizo is prohibited from exercising any priestly ministry in the Archdiocese of Washington until all matters can be appropriately resolved, with the hope that he might return to priestly ministry.

    Sincerely in Christ
    Most Reverend Barry C. Knestout
    Vicar General and Moderator of the Curia

    Here is the result of this silencing:

    The Homosexual Movement Claims Victory
    The web site of Dignity, an organization that rejects Catholic doctrine on homosexual sin, but still calls itself Catholic, did not hide its joy:

    “Gay Catholic Leaders Applaud Priest’s Removal from Ministry, Repeat Calls for Dialogue with Church Leaders” reads the headline. The news item continues:

    “DignityUSA and Dignity/Washington, DC today applauded the Archdiocese of Washington, DC for suspending Father Marcel Guarnizo from all ministry within the Archdiocese.… “The Archdiocese has acted appropriately in removing Father Guarnizo from ministry,” said Allen Rose, President of Dignity/Washington… “We are encouraged by this action, which will do much to restore Catholics’ faith in our Church’s commitment to pastoral ministry.”

    Remember Pope Benedict XVI in your prayers and his loving reminder!

    “Don’t be afraid to fight the evil spirit.”

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Catherine how so?

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Catherine I think I am getting your point now…..I think, but in all fairness lets not over read into what people say….my apologies for questioning it…it was out of clarity that I asked, I hope by now you know that I consider you one of the faithful and i dare not question your motives because I know they are good and they are in defense of the faith.

    • Catherine, K, might be saying some things through misunderstanding what Fr. Z writes. I will give her that leeway, but Mark certainly is using the old bait and switch routine. Fr. Z’s website has nothing whatsoever to do with the Westboro Baptist Church. Perhaps they have this same video on their website, but that means absolutely nothing as to the truthfulness of the video, just as the fact that some New Age or Wiccan websites has or has had the Lord of the Rings and the Chronicles of Narnia on their websites and uses them for their own purpose does not make the authors of those books New Agers nor Wiccans. Otherwise, Catherine, you are “right on target” — and let no one say with that expression that I am talking about shooting someone. It is just an expression, and not to be taken literally.

      • Oops, Catherine and Mark from PA, I really, really owe Mark an apology. I myself misinterpreted what Mark said about the Lutheran Satire called the Westboro Bapitst Church Chipmunks. I misread Mark’s post. I cancel out and apologize for what I said about Mark from PA in the last section of my post to Catherine above. Although I might not agree with everything in the satire called Westboro Baptist Church Chipmunks, I definitely misinterpreted what Mark wrote. I have to do a Mea Culpa on that one.

        • Mark from PA says:

          Thanks, Anne T. What I found funny was at the end of the chipmunk clip, the chipmunks were picketing God and admonishing him for not agreeing with them.

    • Betcha Father Guarnizo was assigned to this hostile parish for the express purpose of putting him nose to nose with dissenters without any allies in the parish … thus providing an excuse to can him. The machinations of evil men, including bishops and chanceries, is deep. It is so deep that the Lord warned two of the Seven Churches to keep away from those dark depths.

  17. Catherine, that was really bad of you to throw Father G. under the bus AGAIN. I told you a long time ago that I would never discuss him again. I assume that is why you brought it up but now, any reader who didn’t know about that, does. It is you who discredited him, not me. As for Father Z, yes, he seems like a great priest and faithful and traditional. That is why I was shocked by what he said. You are saying I should not have posted that. OK Sorry if I was indiscreet or something. Also, look what you did to me for being faithful to all the teachings of the Church. But I forgive you. And I love you. God bless you

    • K, Catherine did not “throw” Fr. G, “under the bus”. That is the wrong expression. To “throw someone under the bus” means to betray or discredit them. Catherine is standing up for Fr. G’s right to do what he did, which was to refuse to give Communion to a lesbian who told him blatantly at the last minutes before Mass that she was living with her female lover. It was a decision that he had to make on the spur of the moment, and he followed his own conscience from what he had been taught concerning his responsibilities as a priest.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        I applaud Father G for having some backbone…..this is what our church leaders should be doing and having some backbone…

  18. Ah, why is everyone picking on the Lutherans for having satire?

    According to Garrison Keillor, the Lutherans are great at doing potlucks with Jell-O molds, so satire would be a nice accompaniment to such feasts!

    • I guess ol’ Keillor didn’t run into any of the Lutherans such as my late mother or her ilk … they went far far far beyond jello molds, to produce deserts that challenged the very concept of “ambrosia”.

  19. Someone brought up the incident with Father Guarnizo, who belongs to some diocese in Russia but was temporarily working in our country. He’s the one who did not give Holy Communion to a woman who introduced her lesbian lover right before Mass AS her lesbian lover — dumb thing to do! Talk about a slap in the face to any Catholic priest, especially one about to start Mass.

    However, when the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C., later removed Father Guarnizo from working in their territory, as this blog from a canon lawyer points out:

    “The allegations of “intimidating behavior” by Guarnizo are not recited in Knestout’s letter, but three questions would occur to me: (a) is this just a pile-on by people looking to kick Guarnizo while he is down?, or (b) are there long-standing legitimate complaints against Guarnizo that the recent controversy made more likely to surface? , or (c) did Guarnizo’s post-controversy conduct in the parish render him intemperate with others, provoking what are really recent complaints? Such are the things that an investigation is designed to, well, investigate.”

    Investigate, yes. Here in the Archdiocese of San Francisco we had a transitional deacon who went ballistic when the hierarchy cracked down on him for being weird, then threatened his pastor, the archbishop, the auxiliary bishop, and probably the bishop’s dog with violence — they found guns in his rectory room and had him removed. Not everyone with a Roman collar is safe and sane, and some of them really need a “time out.”

    • Threatening the dog was the last straw, Mackz. BTW, have you spent much time watching the youtube video that has the stationary cam focused on the handgun set on a table? So far no one has witnessed it doing anything … it simply stays there motionless, presumeably even when people make evil faces at it.

    • mackz, Barbara Johnson describes herself in an online paper about her working as an art teacher at a Catholic school (Out or In…The Question of Coming Out in the Heteronormative and Homophobic World of Education) as “a naturally born agitator who every now and then enjoys challenging the status quo.” So it don’t think what she and her partner did to Father Guarizno was dumb, but provocative. One online source said that her partner told him that they were going to receive communion and that he “better not screw it up”. When Fr. denied Ms. Johnson communion, she just went to the other communion line and received there.

  20. P.S. I don’t know much about Cardinal Turkson, but I am rather scandalized by the “campaigning” going on in Rome right now, with people putting up posters as if he were running for president. Very tacky.

    If he is indeed a good candidate for the papacy in the mind of God, I’m afraid such tactics by his fan club might actually DAMAGE his chances to be elected.

    • Within the last four years Cardinal TURKSON came out with statements which would ultimately result in a One World Govenment – by taking all the financial assets of the entire world and putting them under a One World Committee.
      This is Communist and Socialist. It violates teaching of the CCC.

      He never encouraged those Countries that over-spend to stop over-spending and cutting waste – in accord with the Church’s teaching on “COMMUTATIVE JUSTICE” – “…without which no other form of justice is possible.

      Instead he also wants each banking transactions through-out the world to be taxed to pay for the over-spending and government waste of some countries.
      This shows a total lack of understanding on Turkson’s part.
      Instead of teaching responsibility for one’s own actions (including a Country’s responsibility for their elected governments actions), he wants to bring down all other Countries and all individuals.

      Turkson needs to stay out of international politics. He does not know the difference between Saving Souls and temporal government issues.

      • None of the papal candidates appears impressive … they’re all bureaucrats and locked into the system. There are a lot of potential scenarios that can be constructed with an emeritus pope. Knowledge of Holy Scripture can give one to wonder if it is ultimately possible even, to quit the papacy. I’m not convinced.

        • Update: SNAP claims that there are only two cardinal papabili who are not tainted by the pedo scandal. Cdl Schoenborn of Austria, and Cdl Tagle of the Philipines. Cdl Tagle might be the best choice, since he’s not entwined with the European nobility or political arrogance. He was also made cardinal only last year by the Pope Emeritus … wonder why? I’d say he’s the BenedictXVI’s choice.

      • Dave N. says:

        Cardinal Turkson as Pope and his advocacy for a Global Bank (among other problematic stances) would indeed be an extremely bad decision for the Church.

  21. Visited the LUTHERAN SATIRE site and found some very amusing stuff, including a spoof about those nuts from the Westboro Baptist Church who protest at the funerals of our service members.

    People who base their faith on hate are really off target. I really HATE that!!! 🙂

  22. Abeca Christian says:

    I don’t appreciate us poking fun at any sects who hold biblical convictions either… I actually appreciate those convictions that they have that are in common to ours faithfully in Christ… when our brethren display backbone and convictions that are solid and faithful to Christ… if they are gifted to convey them well in how they witness to others… I admire that and I would not stoop so low to mock them or their own who are hurting their mission from within… I would say we need to work together to save our country and bring back God fearing men and women… then we can pray for their conversions but
    before we do, we must first work on ourselves first… in today’s times many of us are in bad will… may the Truth set us free.

    • Catherine says:

      Excellent post Abeca!

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Catherine thank you, it feels good to be understood and not misunderstood….God bless you for applying His wisdom and knowledge in which He so generously has blessed you with….

        Praise God!

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Abeca, are you (and Catherine) supporters of Westboro Baptist Church? I can’t imagine anyone on this sight would be supporters of an organization that protests at the funerals of people they don’t even know. People who have never said or done anything objectionable to anyone – they protest at the funerals of US Servicemembers. Heroes. You support that, or am I misreading your comment? Or maybe you really aren’t so familiar with them?

      • Westboro is making a Gospel statement opposing the exaltation of gays. Do you have a problem with that, YFC? Or are you attacking them because of their style? Which is it, content or style?

      • Abeca Christian says:

        YFC did you not read what I wrote? This has nothing to do with their funeral protests? Nothing……..it’s interesting how some here just point out those things just to discredit their strong biblical values that match our faithful ones and not once have I ever mentioned their funeral protests….YFC I know you and others keep bringing that up but in reality you dislike them because they really speak out strongly against sodomy.

        Why don’t you just admit that part…it’ll just make things easier for us to dialogue. : ) I just wish people would be more honest with themselves…that would be the first step towards, hopefully, repentance and true contrition! Jesus is in the truth YFC, if we keep avoiding the truth, then consider it avoiding Christ….that would be a huge mistake and one that can hurt ones salvation.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          Jesus saith to him:” I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. ” ~~John 14:6

          The Truth….one must begin with one self, being honest with themselves about their sinfulness. Just the other day my son asked for permission on something since now he is getting older, he thought it was time for him to have more freedoms. I told him “son just ask yourself “how does this benefit my soul, does this offend God?” I said if you are really honest with yourself and prayed about it so God can show you the way and give you His answer in His own time….and you waited patiently for His answer and not rush things.

          And if you know us your parents well, since we seek and try to put God first, then you will realize that it was a question not to ask because finally when you are honest with yourself, you will know the answer.” After that he didn’t ask me again….I think he got it….I pray that he does…because I told him that when he gets older, he will have to apply those same questions to everything he does and hopefully his honesty and faithfulness in Christ, will guide him, if he chooses to put God first.

          I told him that sometimes we may fall but if we have an honest and pure heart, God will be right there to pick us up because He loves us….but it will take our free will and zeal to want to participate with God’s graces toward helping us mature in wisdom and knowledge that comes only from our Lord. Always considering what our Lord thinks….Jesus is the truth!

          • Abeca Christian says:

            YFC for the record I have no issue with The Westboro Baptist, but I’m sure they have issues with my faith…oh well, but I am one who would probably converse with them on THEIR Biblical level and then work from there….if they shun me for that, well, I’m OK with that too….I prefer to deal with them than with the gay activists that I have had to deal with in the past…they surely intimidated many who tried to reach them, even those who have left that lifestyle.

            They can be very mean, hard to reach…..that is when the expression came from “who do you love more? your homosexuality or Jesus.” It’s interesting how some said Jesus but they continued spreading their heretical views and even using the bible, twisting the truth. Its pretty scary stuff when dealing with evil forces.

          • Anonymous says:

            Westboro Baptist Church is a family. Usually when you see the protests it is 2-4 of them, the children and grandchildren of Fred Phelps. I think the media has really overplayed this. Of course, they want the publicity. If the media went away, so would they. Children of Fred Phelps accuse him of brainwashing, physical and mental abuse of his kids and wife. I have heard it said in commentaries that nothing has galvanized the gay rights movement more than the protests of the Westboro Baptist Church.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Anonymous what you are saying could be gossip…we have no real facts on what you just commented…so I refuse to be part of that…plus everyone keeps going back to the funeral protests….WHATEVER lets move on..all people are going by are gossip and it’s vicious…..Again my issue is not with the Baptist I just responded to Not YFC….YFC YOU SURE LIKE TO GET us all wrapped up in your confusion….I best ignore your comments in the future especially stupid questions like asking us if we are supporters of so and so….sick game you play!

          • Anonymous says:

            abeca, you don’t seem to know much about them. If you believe that US soldiers being killed is a good thing because it helps alleviate God’s anger toward the US, well…what can I say? It is not Catholic, that is for sure.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            Anonymous to help alleviate your discomfort and your faulty accusations….read my comments from the article “Santa Rosa Diocese requires its teachers to embrace the Faith” Towards the end of the thread I answer PA as well…go there and find my answer….!

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