Homosexualist and leather retreat in diocese of Sacramento

San Francisco Leather Alliance

San Francisco Leather Alliance

From August 30 to September 2, Dignity San Francisco and the San Francisco chapter of the Defenders will sponsor a retreat at the Christ the King Passionist Retreat Center in Citrus Heights, California. The homepage of the Defenders website describes the retreat:

“Join us August 30 to September 2nd, 2013 (Labor Day weekend), for a joint retreat with Dignity/San Francisco at a retreat center near Sacramento. The first two days of the retreat we will be with those attending from the Dignity chapter, followed by a third day that will emphasize integrating leather and spirituality. The retreat will be lead by a Catholic priest who works with Dignity.” The Defenders are an integral part of Dignity, and have been affiliated with the group since 1981. The webpage of Dignity SF’s webpage also publicizes the retreat, and says the retreat master will be Father Tom Bonacci. Father Bonacci has led a number of retreats for DignitySF.

The Defenders describe themselves as “a Catholic leather club,” and the About Us  section of their webpage says “The Defenders/SF is a club for individuals who value and wish to celebrate both their Leather sexuality and their Christian spirituality.” The webpage of Dignity USA says “The Defenders believe that the leather experience can, when integrated and spiritually informed, actually produce a richer spirituality for us, and for the Church.”

The Leather Spirituality section of the Defenders webpage elaborates on just how a “richer spirituality for the Church could be produced: “What we notice about our sexual experience as leather people is that much of what turns us on sexually has to do with such things as power exchange (dominance/submission); trust in s/m scenes where we feel the power of vulnerability and even fear, whether our own or the placing of another’s in our hands; and the intimacy of intense physical bonding which carries deeper meaning beyond the outward act itself. Words we use in the leather community  such as “honor” and “respect” reflect that as well…. For us this has taken us into acknowledging the deeper meanings of our sexuality and its connection to the interior life. We choose to identify that dimension of our life as our spirituality. For us, that connection both grounds ‘spirituality’ in a healthy, freely given sexual life and acknowledges our capacity in sexual activity to have deep and soaring, even ecstatic, experience…”

References to the Defenders in the leather community provide still more detail, as well as concrete examples of the richness of “leather spirituality.” The San Francisco Leather Alliance webpage identifies their 2008 Man of the Year as a Mr. Steve Ward. Mr. Ward also has an entry at Zoominfo.com, where he is identified as the president of the Defenders. After giving a number of Mr. Ward’s affiliations with leather organizations, Zoominfo notes “Steve has been awarded as the Bay Area Leather Alliance Man of the Year for 2008, and will be the Leather Marshall for San Francisco Pride this year. In his spare time, Steve enjoys working on community-building efforts with his collared boy, Jonathan. He also has a second boy under consideration at this time. Steve has a mission this year to become a great Leather Daddy.”

According to the Defenders webpage, their current president is a man named Marc Fuentes. In 2008, Mr. Fuentes served as a panelist in a Spirituality and Kink symposium, sponsored by the s/m organization the Society of Janus. The symposium was moderated by Steve Ward. The symposium addressed the question “Do you ever wonder if there could be a spiritual aspect of Leather or kinky sex and play?” Mr. Fuentes biographical entry reads for the symposium reads:

“Marc is an officer of the Defenders/San Francisco, and has been a member of the Roman Catholic LGBT organization Dignity for 20 years. He has served on panel discussions of spituality and Leathersexuality for the Defenders, Dignity, LLW, LLC, and LDG. In September he married his partner of 15 years, a minister, and is Fathering two men. All the men in Marc’s life are deeply rooted, spiritually .”

Christ the King Passionist Retreat Center is one of the four retreat centers listed in the Evangelization and Catechesis section of the diocese of Sacramento’s webpage.  There are a number of retreat centers under the archdiocese of San Francisco, so the choice to hold the retreat in the diocese of Sacramento might seem surprising unless one knows that Dignity is not allowed to meet on any property of the archdiocese of San Francisco.

 

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  1. Where are the PETA fanatics when you need them? Why aren’t they there spraying paint and throwing rotten eggs? I don’t believe those unfortunate souls are wearing vinyl or synthetic leather. California would be a rich resource for alien life forms to form colonies to study the various and sundry substrata of the really diverse and perverse culture you have spawned out there in the desert.My, my, my. What next? Gothic Overlords in Flannel Pajamas seeking salvation in Pima cotton? I know we hicks out here in the sticks don’t feel like we’re really missing a great deal but these fellows waddling about in their leather underwear would sure give alot of folks here some good laughs. Maybe they can take their show on the road…some comic relief from all this worry about nuking Syria, obama depredations ‘n all.
    The fact that these guys are so ‘deeply rooted spiritually’ must explain why they’re so fruity? Rootin’ tootin’ an’ rarin’ to flip out entirely. Yee haw.

    • Abeca Christian says:

      Dana you are funny…. : )

    • Brick are more the order of the day

    • Tony Greenberg says:

      They’re just Agents Of Social Change doing what they love to do !Agitating you ! It’s very Saul Alinsky,then if you don’t like being agitated they whip out the phony outrage and threaten you.
      Let’s all hold hands and sing Kum Bay Yah,and we are nice,and if you don’t like it …to hell with you!
      That’s how “Agents Of Social Change “Operate.
      Catholics paid good money to get all this going! You were told is was for something else….
      Saul Alinsky and the CCHD
      Real Catholic TV
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=481bgi5Du0s

  2. Michael McDermott says:

    Vanilla Floggers
    The Frisco Chronicle / ‘Crock’ ran a big picture of dirty diaper leather harness bears, flogging each other in the public Street – as an aid in Promoting Tolerance…
    – By the ‘Vanilla’ (clueless suburban taxpaying voters), who are only told what they need to know – to Pander:
    SEE
    SAN FRANCISCO Leather crowd cracks the whip – An alley of kinky discipline beckons the curious at gay pride fest – Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer 6/22/05
    This Sunday in a Wells Fargo bank parking lot near San Francisco’s City Hall, August Knight will demonstrate for any adult who cares to stop by what it’s like to be flogged — and enjoy it….
    – one of the fastest-growing niches at the annual San Francisco Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Pride Parade and Celebration.

    On a splash of asphalt on Grove Street will bloom a place for what leather aficionados call “vanilla” types — i.e., everyone else — to learn about flogging, spanking, boot blacking and other staples of the subculture known as BDSM

    – San Francisco’s 21- year-old Folsom Street Fair draws 400,000 people each September to enjoy the hardcore fashion of its chaps-only-wearing attendees…

    “It takes lots of gumption to walk into a play party or into a dungeon. There’s all these people in leather and all this stuff going on,”
    said Vick Germany, president of the San Francisco Women’s Motorcycle Contingent (Dykes on Bikes) and an Alley regular

    . “But in a space at gay pride, it’s a little more inviting.”

    • Michael McDermott says:

      Tolerance is a many faceted jewel in Sodom by the Sea, and certainly helps Recruitment to fill the ranks of the ‘fallen’ – from the “Conga Line of Buggery”:

      “…Born a decade ago just after the peak of the AIDS crisis, Leather Alley offers a vista into a subculture that largely stays out of plain view.
      – gay biker community were mourning the death of a generation; the dozen clubs they used to frequent had dwindled to three.

      -many leathermen in their 50s at first couldn’t figure out how they would reach 20-year-olds… they realized their numbers were diminishing.

      “People started to realize that if you’re not out there, who is going to mentor this next generation

      – debate over same-sex marriage issue gives pride events a political overtone, Dykes on Bikes’ Germany applauded the Pride Committee for not shying away from leather.

      “This kind of flies in the face of the ‘We look just like you’ stuff you hear at pride,” Germany said.
      “They know this is going out to Middle America. But the thing is, some of us don’t look like just everybody else.”

      – “absolutely not” concerned that places like Leather Alley will alienate those just getting comfortable with gays and lesbians.

      “Pride,” he said, “is all about standing up for who you are and saying we all belong.”

      SEE “Men told not to rain on parade Unity key to Dyke March / 50,000 expected at S.F. Dyke March 50,000 expected — Men Not Advised”

      sfgate.com/politics/joegarofoli/article/Men-told-not-to-rain-on-parade-Unity-key-to-Dyke-2746314.php#ixzz2JOHaOCVH

  3. Jim McCrea says:

    What is a “homosexualist?’ … a list of names?

    • Well its probably a list of the sodomites destined for Hell

    • A homosexualist is progandizer from Homolobby, a distant planet in the Bizarroo Galaxy. They hang out alot at their Mothership, Washington D.C.surviving on leftovers from Whitehouse galas and handouts from fellow shipmates disguised as politicians…one big happy family. They’re not to be confused with homosexuals, the drones and queen bees who only want an active role in day to day activities of life, like buzzing about at leather parades, raining on pro-marriage parades, whining when not raining, and just enjoying being busy bees in dismantling society for reasons known only to themselves.

      • PS…don’t confuse these little lethal buggers with killer bees, whose sting may cause pain or even death of the body. These little guys’ stings are for keeps and can kill the soul. Truth is their kryptonite and must be avoided by them at all times. Just carry the truth with you at all times and you’re innoculated against even the most vicious stings. The danger now is they’ve found that by co-joining with lawyers ,the court systems on planet earth have become spawning grounds and though they cannot perpetuate themselves by physical means they can now carry on their complex hive system through legal inbreeding.

        • Catherine says:

          Excellent posts Dana! May God continue to bless you! I see clearly that through your own sufferings and carrying your particular individual crosses that you still have such great trust in Jesus and the teachings of His True Church on earth. Dana, No one said that life would be easy or not have very difficult challenges did they? Who are these selfish individuals who were made in the image and likeness of God yet they use their individual crosses to drag many to hell instead of using their specific cross to attain their eternal salvation? Who are these individual who reject the truth that “No servant is greater than the Master.” Dana, I am still inspired by your beautiful conversion story. Thank you for responding “yes” to God instead of using any of your trials or your hardships as a permission slip to enable and emotionally drag others to hell. ………..continued

          • Catherine says:

            Dana, Also to be even a little more specific for Jim McCrea’s request for a list of names. Lets ask Jim how many homosexual couples “homosexualized” and emotionally blackmailed their own parents, their own brothers and sisters and relatives into accepting their mortally sinful lifestyles? The list of names is long. Catholic parents and siblings should have the true love and moral fortitude to tell their children and siblings, “I love you but (same sex unions) are not acceptable to God and if I turn my back on God’s commands then my supporting your mortally sinful life will ultimately destroy us both.” Homosexuals should never drag their entire families to hell for their lifestyle choices but many are doing this and they are convincing themselves that it is OK because of the moral collapse of society. That is the ultimate homosexualizing death sentence. Love is not emotionally blackmailing your parents, siblings and relatives right into the fiery flames of hell. No amount of temporary earthly pleasure is worth dragging your entire family to hell. The parents were too emotionally compromised to help their children to understand that while they did have understanding and compassion for their children’s particular cross, they could never condone unnatural acts which are offensive and cry out for vengeance from God.

          • No. Love is accepting your children for who they are. Period.

          • Catherine, thank you 1) for getting my message (I thought it might be a little too off base) and 2) for reminding us of all the damage and loss to families who suffer from this behavioral disorder. As you may remember, I have a family member who has used just such blackmail to cause distress and emotional upheavals in just such a manner. Perhaps many of the politicians ‘coming out’ because of family members’ homosexuality have been similarly coerced! Think of Bradley Manning and all the damage he’s done… in another era he’d have been hung as a traitor, but he gets to be put in an easy womens’ prison and undergo sex change operations at tax payers’ expense. Pray for us, dear Blessed Mother!

          • peter, is love “accepting” your children no matter what they do? Most rational, moral and law abiding people would say no!
            Definition:
            accept– To receive gladly. To receive into a place or group. To answer affirmatively: accept an invitation. To consent to pay, as by a signed agreement.

            Synonym:
            accepting– 1/5 verb: Agreeing, Consenting, Acquiescing.
            2/5 verb: Going for, Approving, Favoring, Subscribing to. 3/5 verb: taking up, welcoming, embracing. 4/5 verb: seeing, following, reading, understanding, comprehending, fathoming. 5/5 verb: supporting, enduring, sustaining., tolerating, stomaching.

            peter, would you “accept” a child of yours who was a murderer, a bank robber, a kidnapper, a terrorist, a rapist, etc? I would hope that out of love for such a child you would turn that child into the authorities and renounce his or her behavior as reprehensible. To do otherwise would not only be immoral, but illegal as well, and surely not loving.

          • Catherine says:

            peter writes “No. Love is accepting your children for who they are. Period.”

            peter, If our children’s actions are leading them straight to hell then it is wrong for a parent to say they love those actions or for parents to enable those sinful actions. Period. Your broadminded phrase may sound comforting and nice in a sewing circle of enablers of mortal sin but there is much more to truth. Thank you for searching out the truth on CCD.

            ( continued )

          • Catherine says:

            THE CURSE OF BROADMINDEDNESS
            Bishop Fulton J. Sheen
            Taken from the book “Moods and Truths”
            Published in 1932

            “The world may charge the Church with intolerance, and the world is right. The Church is intolerant-intolerant about Truth, intolerant about principles, intolerant about Divinity, just as Our Blessed Lord was intolerant about His Divinity. The other religions may change their principles, and they do change them, because their principles are man-made. The Church cannot change, because her principles are God-made. Religion is not a sure of beliefs that we would like, but the sum of beliefs God has given. The world may disagree with the Church, but the world knows very definitely with what it is disagreeing. In the future as in the past, the Church will be intolerant about the sanctity of marriage, for what God has joined together no man shall put asunder; she will be intolerant about her creed, and be ready to die for it, for she fears not those who kill the body, but rather those who have the power to cast body and soul into hell. She will be intolerant about her infallibility, for “Lo,” says Christ, “I am with you all the days even unto the end of the world.” And while she is intolerant even to blood, in ADHERING TO THE TRUTHS given her by her Divine Founder, she will be tolerant to those who say she is intolerant, for the same Divine Founder has taught her to say: “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.” ….. ( continued )

          • Catherine says:

            “There are only two positions to take concerning truth, and both of them had their hearing centuries ago in the court-room of Solomon where two women claimed a babe. A babe is like truth; it is one; it is whole; it is organic and it cannot be divided. The real mother of ‘the babe would accept no compromise. She was intolerant about her claim. She must have the whole babe, or nothing-the intolerance of Motherhood. But the false mother was tolerant. She was willing to compromise. She was willing to divide the babe-and the babe would have met its death through broadmindedness. ” ……..Fulton Sheen

            “The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see Cardinals opposing Cardinals, Bishops against other Bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who *accept compromises*, and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.”……..Our Lady of Akita

          • Catherine, thank you for the posting the wisdom of Bishop Fulton Sheen.

          • Anonymous says:

            “The remedy for this broadmindedness is intolerance, not intolerance of persons, for of them we must be tolerant regardless of views they may hold; but intolerance of principles.” Fulton J. Sheen

          • Tracy,

            Your welcome!

          • k/anonymous/ enabler, The reason you are choosing to selectively hide for your 5:58 pm post is because your OWN duplicitous actions do NOT match your words. You were NOT tolerant of the faithful priest who adhered to the Truth and denied Holy Communion to Barbara Johnson. You have to change your name because your duplicitous theology has been exposed. Of course you will deny it. You underhandedly undermined this good priest by viciously and conveniently reporting that he had problems with getting along with people in the parish office. That was a poisonous snake-like drive by hiss. Stop selectively enabling heretics with your duplicitous actions. Also, you did not pay attention. You must have selectively missed this part of Bishop Sheen’s words that I already quoted in order to think it was necessary to selectively write about tolerance.

            “And while she is intolerant even to blood, in ADHERING TO THE TRUTHS given her by her Divine Founder, she will be *tolerant* to those who say she is intolerant, for the same Divine Founder has taught her to say: “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”

            Archbishop Fulton Sheen was NEVER an enabler of heretics. Archbishop Sheen never dished the parish office scoop dirt on a public TV show like you did on CCD in order to undermine a faithful priest for correctly doing his faithful duty. Stop insisting that heretics should not be called out and held accountable. Archbishop Sheen told a man who showed up in the sacristy promoting a heretical book. “GET OUT! GET OUT! I am not going to hear this blasphemy so GET OUT!”

          • Flavorless speech enables error and it is symbolic of the pervasive illness that ails many within the Church. That pervasive and destructive illness is false charity. The devil loves false charity because it protects the putrid conditions where heresy thrives. Dissenters often enable such conditions.

          • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

            Catherine,

            When I read you good comments “Homosexuals should never drag their entire families to hell for their lifestyle choices but many are doing this and they are convincing themselves that it is OK because of the moral collapse of society.”, TEM came immediately to mind, others probably as well, but TEM has even bragged on this Site about his childrens’ acceptance of his Sodomite relationship.

            If those of you who are such, and those of you who support such, are offended by “Sodomite”, tell it to God and His Mother!

            Viva Cristo Rey!
            God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
            Kenneth M. Fisher

  4. Jeff Culbreath says:

    So this is happening at a Catholic retreat center in the Diocese of Sacramento? Bishop Soto recently revoked permission for Robert Spencer – an orthodox Catholic who tells the uncomfortable truth about Islam – to speak on church grounds in his diocese. The Diocese of Sacramento has standards, you know.

  5. For all you California Catholics who enjoy the masochism of beating your heads against the wall in trying to get your bishop to be Catholic, call Bishop Soto at 916-733-0200, or email him at bishopsoto(at)scd.org. Who knows, maybe he will realize that his non-efforts to clean up the sodomite evil that is increasingly taking over the Sacramento Diocese will not win him any place in Heaven. And what is worse is that his affirmation of homosexuality is leading many souls into perdition and ultimate death of their souls.

    I think it’s time for Sacramento Catholics to challenge Bishop Soto to be a real bishop and fight sin instead of spending all his time in getting citizenship for millions of people so that they can vote for the Democrat Party/Culture of Death pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, and pro-sodomite candidates (actually, that’s the only kind of Democrats there are who are allowed by the Dems to run.

    Wake up, Bishop Soto, the soul you save may be your own – if you’re up to it.

    • Wake up indeed. Bishop Soto do you have any idea what you are doing? You are desperately concerned about SB 131, the blatantly unfair bill, now being considered by the California legislature, that would leave the Church vulnerable to lawsuits for hair-raising sums of money. Yet, by allowing this perversion to desecrate Christ the King Retreat Center, and by extension the diocese of Sacramento, you alienate the people most likely to share your concern about SB 131 and the rampant anti-Catholicism that now pervades the California State legislature. I’m sorry if this sounds too blunt, but I hate to see incompetent leaders allow our Church to be used and abused by political and ideological opportunists. If you are not up to the task of asserting Church teaching and calling dissident politicians and priests and others who would make mockery of the Church to task, then have the discretion to resign.

  6. This happens when the bishops are silent.

  7. Oh, for goodness’ sake!
    At a Catholic retreat center?!?
    However, kudos to Dana for her pithy commentary on P.E.T.A.! 🙂

  8. Of course there is a spiritual aspect to that garbage and of course their sexuality is connected to their interior life. The smoke of Satan did not enter the Church through cracks in the windows. Some Bishops left the doors wide open.

  9. If the Diocese of Sacramento continues to promote this retreat house after this then it will mean that something is very seriously wrong. I guess it will make some things clear, and we’re better off knowing the truth, but it’s very, very sad.

  10. Tony de New York says:

    ” spending all his time in getting citizenship for millions of people so that they can vote for the Democrat Party/Culture of Death pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, and pro-sodomite candidates”

    That’s a RACIST comment.

    SHAME ON U!!

    • To be frank, Tony, race is not based on one’s particular nationality but on one’s genetic makeup. Hence, you have the aryan race, Asian race etc. If one is going to be against another race, it will have no bearing on whether they are Mexican, Greek or Russian because they are ALL of the same race, except for those with racial combinations. So, please explain to us why we who promote LEGAL (remember that little word? In some circles it still carries weight, but among democrats has no meaning whatsoever) immigration and see the lies and fraud being perpetrated by a lawless and out-of-control government in forcing us to accept ILLEGAL behavior and against our own best interests, to undermine our broken welfare and legal sytems and especially the employment availability among blacks in particularly must accept this or we’re ‘racist’? This specious insult has been abused enough…It’s shallow, inaccurate and way overused to no effect. Also, shame on you is ironic coming from someone who supports illegal and anti-American activities. New Yorkers used to be known for their quick wits but apparently that’s dwindled down to half…better give up the NYT before your brain completely atrophies.

    • What the heck are you talking about???…it’s an ACCURATE comment.

    • Definition of :
      Racism–The belief that some races are inherently better than others.
      Inherently– referring to ones genetic makeup.

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Tony de New York,

      THEN SHAME ON ME AS WELL BECAUSE I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS SAME THING MANY TIMES. May God have mercy on your soul,

      Kenneth M. Fisher

    • Nothing racist about it..get a life Tony

  11. juergensen says:

    When on June 29, 1972 Pope Paul VI said, “Through a fissure the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God” [“da qualche fessura sia entrato il fumo di Satana nel tempio di Dio”], he must have been referring to the sodomites infiltrating the Church. I can think of no other force of Satan that has corroded the Church like the sodomites.

  12. Bishop “Jaime” has been busy — rallying people for amnesty and attending the Hispanic Congreso of the Americas here in the DFW area which was ostensibly for evangelization and pro-life. He probably has no idea what’s going on outside the hispano-sphere.

  13. OneoftheSheep says:

    I have been to Christ the King Retreat Center on a number of occasions because I am not too far away from the Citrus Heights location. The grounds are beautiful. The chapel is sacred ground. I have a friend who works as a volunteer to help retreatants on overnight stays. I must be sure to warn Mary M. that this is no ordinary retreat.
    They have liturgies on Thursdays that are open to the public and are held in the chapel. I know nothing about the SF group mentioned but I believe I have heard of Father Tom Bonacci. I would imagine that Bishop Soto would put a stop to such a retreat. God will not be mocked. Purity and holiness in the church supercede such antics by the puerile.

  14. OneoftheSheep says:

    I have to ask myself if Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, the Holy Family would feel welcome and comfortable at Christ the King Retreat Center while all of this was going on. My conclusion is that the Holy Family stands for purity and this retreat is not an attempt to bring folks back to the beauty and majesty of our Holy Catholic Faith. The Passionists Fathers founded this retreat center in order that Catholics in our Diocese could contemplate the suffering of Jesus. They are inviting people into the retreat center who will cause more suffering to the Body of Christ. I choose Christ. And you?

    • Charles Robert Donaldson, SR. says:

      As a father of a wonderful gay man I am often offended by the rude remarks made about gay people. Somehow some seem to think that a gay person is evil and should be heterosexual. That is not possible. These remarks are especially hurtful when they come from church leaders. What helps me is a story that is told in oral tradition about the Blessed Mother in regard to the Via Dolorosa. The story goes that Mary never returned to any synagogue after Calvary but spent Friday afternoons and evening walking the Via Dolorosa. My meditation on that helps me avoid the anger and hate that some of the remarks I hear and see on so called “sacred media”.

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Charles often I hear what you have expressed……its hard for any parent to have to accept when their child has made choices away from God. Its a tough one for any good parent. Hard to even swallow or comprehend. Sin does that to us all. Whether a child lives in a homosexual lifestyle, or turns to drugs, or sells their body, or is an alcoholic etc……no parents wants to feel judged or hear their child be spoken down about…but what some parents neglect is that it is not about condemning the person but it’s about the sin. What hurts more, is the breakage of the bond with Christ because of sin and how it affects others as well. We are seeing the affects of those consequences due to laws that indoctrinate further into those sinfulness. Anything that hurts God, should hurt us and even more if someone we love is struggling with certain serious sins, we ought to love them more and do what is most honoring to God. Sinful choices do concern many of us and speaking the truth does not mean we are hateful or rude. Sin is sin, wrong is wrong, right is right even if it happening personally in our own homes.

        • Abeca Christian says:

          Charles I don’t have answers as to the Why or to the how? But we must be concerned mostly about their salvation. As Jesus suffered for our own sins, He died for our sins through His passion etc…we parents must also carry our cross here on earth as well, we are to offer up our sufferings for their salvation not only for our own but for our children. If you are dealing with this cross in your child, then carry it with Jesus and in Jesus. But never undermine what our Lord has already handed to us as truths…we may not have power or even understand their choices but we must carry our cross and walk with Christ. Offer up tons of prayers for your child. Look to St. Monica….she loved her son St, Augustine of Hippo…she did not condone his sinful lifestyle choice instead she suffered with love for him in prayer. You can too….look to her great example.

          In order for a conversion to happen in many or most people, there needs to be the cross. As much as those “rude” comments are said…they may be blessings in disguise to pour fourth as a nagging reminder of what is wrong….right now they are what you consider hateful but later when the truth shines forth….then they may be pearls that sets one free. All it takes is participation of self.

          • Beautiful posts Abeca! God bless you!

          • Nonsense. Charles Robert Donaldson, SR, would that all parents were as insightful and loving as you are of your son. I’m sure he would agree that you are a blessing in his life.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            peter how can anyone take your comments seriously when you are not loving and honoring to God’s natural law and commandments regarding them. We must test the spirit and an insightful acknowledgement that one is speaking from a loyal heart in Christ, is his obedience and humility in seeking the ways of the Lord.

          • Abeca Christian says:

            God bless you Catherine. : )

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        Charles Robert Donaldson, SR,

        So now we get the whole story, your son is a sodomite and you will not practice tough love.

        For your information, the “Mystical City of God by Blessed Mary of Agreda” tells that there was only one time that Our Blessed Mother put her Holy Foot Down at the Crucifixion, and that was when a sodomite tried to sexually assault Her suffering Son. At Her command, He was thrown by an Angel through the air against a fence, the ground beneath him opened, and he fell into Hell. If you have the courage, you can find it in “The Mystical City of God, by Blessed Mary of Agreda”.

        I am reading those four books for the second time, the first time was at the urging of the late Fr. Aloysius Elacuria, CMF (he has been written of here on this Site on many occasions), now I am reading it to index things I should have indexed the first time, and that will be one of my indexed features when I find it again. Then you can argue with HER!

        Viva Cristo Rey!
        May God have mercy on you unwilling to practice tough love soul,
        Kenneth M. Fisher

  15. I just called the Bishop’s office. Good news. They moved the event to another site.

  16. Since each Bishop is responsible for everything “Catholic” that takes place within his own Diocese –
    this means that Bishop Jamie Soto approves of this homosexually active group holding their “leather” spirituality in his Diocese ? Why else would he permit this to happen ?

    CCC: 2396, 2357, 2358, 2359.
    Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10

    The Mortal Sin of SCANDAL – CCC: 2284, 2285, 2286, 2287.
    Mt 18:6; 1 Cor 8:10-13; Mt 7:15; Eph 6:4; Col 3:21; Lk 17:1.

    ALL Bishops and ALL Priests will NOT get to Heaven.

    Letter to Bishops on the care of Homosexual Persons:
    ” 15. We encourage the Bishops, then, to provide pastoral care in full accord with the teaching of the Church for homosexual persons of their dioceses.
    No authentic pastoral programme will include organizations in which homosexual persons associate with each other without clearly stating that homosexual activity is immoral.
    A truly pastoral approach will appreciate the need for homosexual persons to avoid the near occasions of sin. ”
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Hey, YFC, Mark from PA, TEM, and many others, did you read the above quotations by PETE, not to be confused with pete the sodomite?

      PETE, THEY would tell Our Lord and His Mother that they really didn’t understand their own teachings, but good try anyway!

      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  17. Gneal Trevethan says:

    I have been told that the retreat will not be held this week-end at Christ the King Retreat Center.

    • Who moved it? and Where is the new site? Those two questions are vitally important, because the answers will tell us whether or not the diocese is still sponsoring it or allowing it to take place in the diocese. The diocese must insist, at the least, that it not be held within the confines of the diocese. If the bishop merely allowed them to move to another (presumably secret) location within the diocese then he compounds his sin by persisting in the evil and deceiving people in the process. The bishop must publicly disown the organization or organizations that are promoting this abomination, and let the people of the diocese know it will not be allowed within the diocese of Sacramento, where he has jurisdiction. Anything less is a failure on his part to do his duty. Diane if you know the answers then please let them be known.

      • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

        Rodney,

        What you wrote above is absolutely true, but to publicly disown the organization or organizations that are promoting this abomination would probably mean that he would have to disown the Demoncrats and Republicrats, especially the Demoncrats because they have total control of the Party of Death!

        Viva Cristo Rey!
        God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
        Kenneth M. Fisher

  18. I grow tired of the weakness of Bishop Soto. He is supposed to lead his flock but he does not.

    At a prolife retreat recently Bishop Soto did not even discuss prolife he was more concerned about a bill that had NOTHING to do with prolife.

    At the Cathedral he lets a mass take place to honor the likes of homosexual John Perez.

    And Now this at Christ the King Retreat Center.

    BISHOP SOTO,

    You need to stand up and GUIDE YOUR FLOCK. Many of feel like we do not have a leader.

    If I dont do my job I get fired…….

    DO YOUR JOB.

    • Western Schnieder says:

      I grow tired of the weakness of Bishop Soto

      You think you are tired? How about Jesus? How tired do you think he is of our sins?

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Jesus does not react like we humans do or feel like we do….it is much more deeper than we can ever understand.

  19. fullycatholic says:

    FYI — THIS EVENT WILL NOT BE HELD ON CATHOLIC PROPERTY. A phone call to Bishop Soto’s office confirmed this. Also a call to the retreat center confirms this retreat is canceled. THANKS BE TO GOD!

    • Thank you for letting us know.
      This never should have booked in the first place !
      Someone needs to be fired from the Priesthood or the Diocese.

  20. Gneal Trevethan says:

    Actually the exact words of the diocesan authority were: “The retreat will not be held at Christ the King Retreat Center.”

  21. St. Christopher says:

    This is beyond belief — almost. Bishop Soto, like so many American bishops is simply a company man, not at all interested in seeking the salvation of souls. Company men worry about advancement, and popularity, and “thinking outside the [Orthodox Catholic] box.” And, where is the newly-created “Office of Bishops” now so prominently mentioned in the New Missal? Well, they are all pretty much doing the same sort of thing. But, the real question is the Vatican: with German bishops pretty much re-inventing the Catholic Church there, and a Latin American bishop publicly saying that homosexual relationships must be accepted, where is the Pope in all of this? If the SSPX ordains a bishop, all kinds of nuttiness goes on (or if some few clergy object to the emphasis on Tradition in the Franciscans of the Immaculate Conception), but not here. Pope Francis should demand the resignations of ALL bishops, with re-appointment subsequesntly given to only a hand-full. But, whatever Francis, and his curia, are doing, they are simply begging the fox to stay longer in the hen-house.

    • Catherine says:

      Please view The Vortex Church Militant TV – “THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.”

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      St. Christopher,

      What you say, that the Pope must demand the resignation of ALL bishops, may be the only way he can truly consecrate Russia by name to Her Most Immaculate Hearts!
      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  22. Thanks to all those who called the diocese and updated us on the removal of the retreat from Catholic property.

  23. fullycatholic says:

    I just phoned the Bishop’s office to personally clarify. I was told
    “As of yesterday the venue was moved. It is not being held at this retreat center, and is NOT being held on Catholic property.”

  24. QM Barque says:
  25. CCD, posting paragraph three of this article is likely very offensive to a few of our sensitive homosexual activists on this site! Every time you post such tilth, my guess is that, they are so offended that they can’t even type out a single word!

  26. Why and how did it ever get scheduled in the first place? Yes, I too called and it was just cancelled YESTERDAY 8/29. Bishop Soto is known for his oversight of activities in and around the Diocese. Did he really miss this one????

  27. Jeff Culbreath says:

    It’s not that Bishop Soto missed something: it’s that this diocese is filled to the brim with people who don’t see anything wrong with this. Whoever booked this group probably didn’t give it a second thought.

    Such is the state of Catholicism in a diocese of 1 million Catholics that can’t produce any vocations. Of the eight men ordained to the priesthood on June 1, all but one were foreign born.

    • Bishop Soto does not encourage his Clergy or anyone else in his Diocese to study and spread the word about the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition” so that people will know and understand the TRUTH of what the Catholic Church teaches. The CCC is published in many languages.

      For quotes from Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict, and Pope Francis about the CCC please see: “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”
      http://whatcatholicsreallybelieve.com/

      However, for the doubting Thomas’s, and those who have had difficult times in the past – this proves that informing any Bishop of abuses within his Diocese will most likely end with stopping the abuses – especially when they are made public and include copies to the US Papal Nuncio and the Vatican.
      We all have an obligation to keep the appropriate Diocese Bishop informed of any abuses we find within his Diocese. Provide documentation whenever possible.

  28. Kenneth M. Fisher says:

    I remember many of you chastising some of us who had suffered under Soto in the Diocese of Orange (things haven’t improved under Vann), now what do you have to say. WE knew what we had experienced!

    He sure clamped down on the good Catholic Robert Spencer quickly, didn’t he! Can’t affort to offend those nice Muslims who cut off the heads of good priest with BUTCHER KNIVES, can we!

    God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
    Kenneth M. Fisher

  29. Maybe they will now hold their “retreat” at some vegan Buddhist karma-free conference center.
    But WITHOUT all the leather, of course!!!

  30. A couple of us called St. Francis church here in Sacramento since it seemed likely that they could take on this event (Franciscans). Also called St. Ignatius (Jesuits), Trinity Cathedral (Episcopalian) and the Mercy Retreat Center up the hill (Mercy nuns). It was not scheduled at any of these places. Since there was too much emphasis on the statement that the retreat was NOT going to be at Christ the King and NOT on Church property, I bet it was somewhere. Maybe they transferred it to one of the many “gay” bars in Sacramento.

  31. I had never heard of Leather sexuality until today. Very good comments here, and you managed to stop this blasphemy. Special thanks to Dana.

  32. Charles Robert Donaldson, SR. says:

    Unfortunately, the Reverend Soto, Bishop of Sacramento, cancelled the retreat. This was a great opportunity to minister to gay Catholics who are often very conflicted by the treatment by the Church. I find many of the remarks on this blog very offensive and not in keeping with the Sermon on the Mount, The Woman Caught in Adultery or the Woman at the Well. Today the gay person is the leper. I am sure that Francis of Assisi would embrace the gay man with Aids.

    Gay people have a different life experience because they arrived in this world different. To learn more about this, investigate the life of Father Mychal Judge who died giving the last rites on September 11, 2001. Also, be careful what one says. Six percent of our children are gay. When young they don’t understand what gay means. However, when they realize who they are as the mature, your hurtful words are recalled. Now that is really evil.

    By the way I am the father of a gay man who is a wonderful person but feels very excluded by so many christians (the small “c” is intentional.)

    • Once again the CCD though police strike again… Mychal Judge was a false gay priests who was openly about his sodomy and had many lovers on the side, and of course he got away with it..People like you Mr. Donaldson need to be rooted out the Church for lies and confusion you spread… I have challenged gone after more than one gay priest I will continue to do so until they are rooted out of God’s Holy Church…. Crush the homo-sex left

    • Michael McDermott says:

      Radical Homosex Trolls repeatedly roost here chanting the Big Lie = ‘Happy’ people are ‘born that way’ and its ‘Ism-Obia’ to say otherwise…

      – Let alone mention the pathological nature of their “Conga Line of Buggery”.

      Corruption of the ‘justice’ system by Gaystapo Propagandists is common, but no single Sado-Masochistic Pederast had as big an influence on USSC Justice ‘phony tony’ Kennedy and Klan – than their beloved ‘Unkle Kinsey’.

      Dr. Judith Reisman thoroughly exposed this legal chicanery cited by the USSC, and said of their reliance on Kinsey (and his ‘Scientific’ Table #34 – quantifying Infant Boy Rape / Orgasms):

      “Kinsey’s recent hagiographers, writes in “Sex, The Measure of All Things” (1998) that “The American Law Institute’s Model Penal Code of 1955 is virtually a Kinsey document!”

      http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/reisman/kinsey.htm

      http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2005/08/sodomy_decision_1.html

      Tracing Kennedy’s opinion (Lawrence v. Texas) back to its origin reveals that the majority relied on only one sex “science” resource as the Court’s primary authority on sex and sodomy – the bi/homosexual, sadomasochistic, proven fraud, Prof. Alfred C. Kinsey.

      – the USSC enshrined Kinsey’s fraudulent data as the revolutionary moral law of our land,
      even though it derived from crimes of sexual torture inflicted on at least 317 and as many as 2,035 infants and children, who “convulsed,” “fainted” and tried to escape their abusers.
      Kinsey – knew nothing about statistics, simply making up what he needed, while passing his young boyfriend off as his “statistician.”

      In fact, roughly 86% of Kinsey’s total male subjects were sexually, criminally or mentally aberrant.”

    • These people are in bondage, Charles, but absolutely no one here hates them…in fact, just the opposite. St Paul wrote… “For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. – Ephesians 6:12” How utterly terrible to think of anyone spending eternity in hell. What kind of people would we be if we didn’t try to warn people, as Jesus did to the woman at the well, of their sin and the need for redemption. If a doctor tells you that if you don’t quit smoking you’re going to die, do you think he is being hateful? If he tells you you’re too fat and that your heart can’t bear the strain and you’re going to have a heart attack, is he being prejudiced against fat people? It makes me sad to see these young men bring their dark and terrible practices on to the main street where children see them in their sexually explicit costumes. Does this not concern you at all? Do you have no regard for other people’s children or just your own? Does your child have priority over Church teaching and God’s laws? What are you teaching others by your tolerance of sin? Jesus died that we would have eternal life but it is always based on choices we make. Our hearts must become Holy,Charles. Please read all of the book of Mathew and then pray to the Holy Spirit to reveal to you God’s truth on this issue. We’re to ALL seek the wisdom and guidance of our Heavenly Father to be better fathers and mothers.

    • Mr. Donaldson,

      I’m sorry that you have bought into the PFLAG and “Always Our Children” (discredited, by the way) deceptions. If you affirm a sexual sinner in his ways, you are cheating him out of the truth that he needs to hear for salvation. The Dignity crowd seeks to change the Church to accept sodomy as a good. You must know that by now.

      Re Fr. Mychal Judge, who was a promoter of “gay” activism, yes he did die on 9-11-01, but he was in the building at the time of the first collapse and was not allowed to go outside because of the danger of being killed by falling bodies. He died of a heart attack inside, and was later carried outside by firemen. Everyone remembers that famous photo. Practically immediately after this, the “gay” lobby began pushing the myth that he was a martyr. Perhaps he died in the state of grace; in the video that I saw one could see him looking quite distraught. I pray that he was repenting of his affirmation of evil. But a “gay” martyr – no.

    • Mr. Donaldson it will be a great day of Holiness when the gay menace within the Church is crushed like the vermin it is

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      You see, Mister Donaldson, what a loving group of Christians we have here at CCD?

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF FR. MICHAEL JUDGE HAVE VEHEMENTLY DENIED THE FALSE CLAIMS MADE ON HIM BY THE SODOMITE LOBBY!

      By the way Mr. Donaldson, don’t be surprised if on his judgement day and on yours, Our Lord does not agree with your “wonderful son” and he damns you for not leading the son he gave you back to HIM!

      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  33. buddhaislaughing says:

    being gay is no laughing matter…i have been called “laughing boy”, because i am a little “twinkie”…was that charitable, I ask you?…being gay and cherished by other gay men is shocking and shameful!…look at my friend ernesto from uruguay…he was beaten to a jelly, for being a twinkie!…fiends, all of them!…i do not like being gay…i have stopped the pin-cushion action, if you get my drift…

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      buddhaislaughing,

      If you are celebate, you are not gay, if you are not celebate you are gay to the detriment of your Eternal Salvation.

      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  34. I’m gay, and proud!…what say you all!

    • You’re here, you’re queer were sick of you

    • Marshall, Pride is what got mankind into trouble in the Beginning. Do you agree with all Church teaching concerning homosexuality? If not, why not?

    • Michael McDermott says:

      Happily Homo-Anal Ever After

      The incessant mau mauing by the Lighthearted / Happy folks who gaily roost here like dirty birdie Resident Harpies, is simply another Alinskyite Tactic used by the Gaystapo – to Prevent ‘discussion’ from venturing off the reservation in to Politically Un-Good territory / terminology…

      – like accurately describing the Behaviors Behind the mandatory pandering pogrom.

      As for questioning Why anyone would come out and announce to the world (meaning Hollyweird and the bought and paid for ‘free press’) that they are ‘Happy’?

      Gosh – DoYaThink it might have something to do with a desire for Fame & Sympathy & TV appearances on Ope-Fra and Hell’n & Tenure in Academentia & grants of tax money to ‘study happiness” & effusive praise from BSOB (Barry Soetoro ObamAcorn) for those who share his ‘interests’ –

      (*Homosex Harassment of Men like the lawsuit at Havad & Bath House Buggery – like his days as a Stall Stallion at Chicago’s “Man Country”…)

      Or how about just plain Making Others Afraid of You – And being denounced as “Un-Tolerant’ to the Gaystapo Enforcers of the Abomination?

      BTW – If You’ re Happy and You Know It – Your Behaviors Surely Show it…

      Just so long as others avoid discussing the Pathological Excremental Nature of such.

      After all – One wouldn’t want to be Un-Happy by spreading ‘Ism-Obia’, what with all the ‘love’ already needing anti viral-treatment after being shared amongst the truly ‘tolerant’.

      “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

    • Kenneth M. Fisher says:

      Marshall,

      MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR ETERNAL SOUL! You asked, and I answered!

      Viva Cristo Rey!
      God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
      Kenneth M. Fisher

  35. Anonymously Yours says:

    Anyone pushing the “gay” agenda is advocating sin…pure and simple. Gay people who indulge in the putrescent act of “buggery” are lower than whale excrement at the bottom of the sea, and I’m being charitable…good day!

  36. kong machine says:

    gay pride?…what the heck is gay pride?…proud of committing gravely sinful acts, that are so depraved that 2 cities in the book of Genesis were destroyed, due to the bestial sex acts of it’s residents!…maybe the gay pride movement is proud of the fact that they continue to spread a whole host of lethal and sub-lethal varieties of std’s into the community…people don’t get alarmed at the specter of high blood pressure or heart disease, but they do when that disease is communicable and fatal!…Men who indulge in this perversion (buggery)…are headed for perdition…no if’s and’s or but’s…

    • Prov.16:18
      Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
      But in this case, I don’t think it is pride they’re feeling but belligerent. I feel badly for them because most of them know how worried and sad their families and friends are and how they’re hurting society. I think the ‘tough’ attitude is really a cover for a deep-seated unhappiness. If you’re happy you care about the consequences of your bad behavior. You have a sensitivity to the feelings of others. Think of those who were or who say they are Catholic and how they’ve wounded the Sacred Hearts of our Lady and our Lord. I still see them on the HMS Titanic heading towards a cold watery grave, but all they hear is cheerful dance music carrying them on a cruise ship headed to a tropical island and fun in the sun.

  37. So when is Father Tom Bonacci who has led a number of retreats for Dignity SF going to be defrocked and excommunicated ?

  38. Philip Royalty says:

    I really can’t understand why they have come up with such an organization. I wonder what made them organize such a group and what purpose will they serve. What has leather got to do with anything social? I mean why do they gather for such a lame propaganda.

  39. TO Peter: Just who are my children? God made us to know Him to love Him and to serve Him and to be happy with Him in this world and the next. Now what was it that you said about us parents letting our children be who they want to be. The Devil you say – they will NOT interpret what they are. What ever they are born with, that is what they are. PERIOD! You don’t follow the reason for God’s gift of life, then you have no reason to be with God in Heaven for eternity. Your limited heaven will be the miserable 75 years your allotted. And the rest of eternity is the punishment for destroying God’s gift to you and what ever child you inflict you Gay poison with. That is really SAD!

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