Don’t buy the Harvey Milk stamp

Milk (on right)

Milk (on right)

The following comes from an Apr. 23 message from SaveCalifornia.com.

With the U.S. Postal Service unveiling a postage stamp honoring homosexual activist Harvey Milk, a leading pro-family organization is urging everyone who supports the protection of children to avoid this shameful stamp.

“Harvey Milk was a very dishonorable man — a sexual anarchist who hated sexual boundaries, a homosexual predator of teens and boyish-looking young men, and a brazen attacker of moral standards and parental rights,” said Randy Thomasson, president of SaveCalifornia.com, which promotes moral virtues for the common good. (Harvey Milk documentation from The Mayor of Castro Street: The Life and Times of Harvey Milk, and other verified sources.)

Thomasson said, “If you believe in protecting children from bad role models, don’t buy the Harvey Milk stamp.”

SaveCalifornia.com notes the hypocrisy of the postal service’s “Citizens’ Stamp Advisory Committee,” which claims it solely “commemorates positive contributions to American life, history, and culture,” saying “disasters will not be commemorated on U.S. postage stamps or stationery.”

SaveCalifornia.com is also urging California parents to boycott “Harvey Milk Day,” an official “day of significance” for California K-12 public schools on May 22. SaveCalifornia.com, which promotes moral virtues for the common good, is urging fathers and mothers to demand that teachers, principals, and school board members refuse to honor this bad role model or else they’ll keep their children home that day or exit the government schools entirely.

Randy Shilts, a homosexual San Francisco Chronicle reporter, wrote a favorable and sordid biography of Milk in The Mayor of Castro Street: The Life and Times of Harvey Milk.

According to this reputable biography, Milk repeatedly engaged in adult-child sex, advocated for multiple homosexual relationships at the same time, and told a very public lie because he thought it would get him ahead. Since SB 572 (2009) requires “exercises remembering the life of Harvey Milk,” children can be taught to support and emulate these bad values.

Shilts’ 1982 book detailed Milk’s sexual relationships with a 16-year-old, a 19-year-old and other young men:

“…sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure…At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him.” (pages 30-31)

“It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20’s that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life.” (page 24)

“Harvey always had a penchant for young waifs with substance abuse problems.” (page 180)

“Harvey confided one night that at twenty-four, Doug was the oldest man Harvey had ever started an affair with.” (page 237)

Explaining Milk’s many flings and affairs with teenagers and young men, Shilts writes how Milk told one “lover” why it was OK for him to also have multiple relationships simultaneously:

“As homosexuals, we can’t depend on the heterosexual model…We grow up with the heterosexual model, but we don’t have to follow it. We should be developing our own life-style. There’s no reason why you can’t love more than one person at a time. You don’t have to love them all the same. You love some less, love some more — and always be honest with everybody about where you’re at. They in turn can do the same thing and it can open up a bigger sphere.” (pages 237-238)

“He had not suffered this disgrace, he told a later campaign manager, but he knew the story would make good copy. If anyone said something to Harvey about his fondness for such stunts, he would gesture wildly as launched into a lecture. ‘Symbols, symbols, symbols,’ he insisted. Sure, he had not been kicked out of the military…The point of the story was to let people know that service people routinely do get kicked out. Besides, he once confided, ‘Maybe people will read it, feel sorry for me, and then vote for me.'” (pages 78-79)

See more documentation on Harvey Milk at SaveCalifornia.com

 

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  1. Never tolerate Mortal Sin.
    Never support or promote the act of Sodomy.

    CCC: ” 2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.”

    CCC: ” 1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
    – by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
    – by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
    – by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
    – by protecting evil-doers. ”

    What is the US Post Office going to promote next ?

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      so, just curious here. Since virtually everyone masturbates from time to time, why do you choose to go after the 2% who are gay instead of the other 98% ? CCC after all calls masturbation a grave sin, as you correctly point out. What is the reason for your selective reading of the Catechism?

      • @ YFC, I am the one who quoted the CCC to let everyone know the MORTAL Sins quoted in #2396.
        Everyone does not masturbate from time to time; if you are guilty of that too, go to Confession.
        And the reason that most people seem to discuss the MORTAL SIN of SODOMY, is because people like you keep trying to justify and make that mortal sin sound perfectly OK, on a Catholic blog site.

        Maybe you gays could take a lesson from YFC. He finally recognized that those guilty of masturbation, fornication, and pornography do not go onto Catholic web sites and try to justify their mortal sins.
        Maybe some day gay people will stop trying to promote Sodomy.

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          Have at it Pete.

          The reality is that most people, almost all people including people of faith, masturbate. If you want to paint masturbators along side with gay people, you will get nowhere.

          • Duncan says:

            Biblical cities in the Book of Genesis were not destroyed due to masturbation…it was due to sodomy…although I have no doubt, the denizens of Sodom and Gomorrah masturbated as freely as you or I breath…masturbation is also a serious sin, it does not “cry to Heaven for vengeance”, unlike sodomy…

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Dear Duncan. Read carefully the story in the old testament and you will find that your assumptions about what went on in that mythical city are not what the story is trying to say.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Mythical city? Sorry, YFC, but if you’re implying that Sodom was destroyed from lack of hospitality, you’re deluded. And if not lack of hospitality, then what in your estimation is the cause for Sodom’s destruction?

            Yet again, ‘mythical city’ would imply that you’ve got some unusual catechist working overtime to forestall reason.

          • YFC, in response to your May 1, 2014 at 2:35 pm post; maybe this is why Jesus told the Apostles that very few will make it to heaven. Since the beginning of the Church the saints have repeated the same stern warning; to avoid sin which destroys the soul!

          • Anonymous says:

            YFC, why do you think that? I don’t think everybody does that. I have seen it promoted in health magazines and it is another example of the degradation of our society. It is a disgusting, shameful behavior that is why people hide it. All sexual sins are just plain gross. I would really like it if all CCD posters could get their minds above the waistline. All of this is bad talk which the Bible forbids. Ephesians 5:3

      • John Feeney says:

        YFC, if someone posted on this site trying to condone masturbation, I am sure there would be a major negative response. Just as it should be for anyone who condones sin.

        • LOL, JF. I don’t think masturbation needs to be condoned. Even children know instinctively that it is a good and healthy practice for developing fit reproductive systems. The expectation that it should be discouraged or made out to be shameful (let alone sinful!) is entirely unnatural and inhuman.

          • My prayer for people like the hardened fellow who just wrote LOLJF (lol is like so yesterday!) is that their hardened hearts are broken and they’re given a conscience so tender that their eyes are opened to just what it is they are doing and saying and the shame and darkness they are bringing to the Church and to the world. They are like black holes that absorb everything good, every thing filled with light, everything that is of God. I pray that our Lord Jesus Christ will given them even one minute of what true goodness, true faith, true beauty is that they might be yet able to be open to the work of the Holy Spirit. I pray that satan would be bound that these captives of such depravity could be granted a stay of mercy if only for a moment. How terrible to be so full of cynicism and sneering contempt…to call the darkness light.

          • thomas nawn says:

            i agree, the church needs to step back from this constant emphasis on sex we should concentrate on issues like murder capital punishment, lack of respect for others just read about the botched execution of that man in oaklohoma no vivilized society should tolerate that yes, the man was a grave offender, he just had the bad luck to be born black in america. young black men have a lot against them from the moment they open their eyes in la, new york, d.c philly

          • peter, so are we to then conclude that you are on the side of those who believe that the Catholic Church is “entirely unnatural and inhuman”?

          • Anonymous says:

            Pious Devotion for Purity
            The point of the devotion is to ask Our Lady for the graces to live a holy life each and every day. Each Hail Mary is in honor of a Person of the Holy Trinity and asks for a specific grace.
            In a vision given to St. Mechtilde, the Blessed Mother described the devotion in these terms:
            By the first Hail Mary, you will ask me in virtue of the supreme power which God the Father has given me to strengthen you in all your combats and to defend you against the power of the malignant enemy.
            By the second Hail Mary, you will beseech me, through the admirable wisdom which I have received from my Son, to let the truth shine upon your soul and to banish from it the darkness of ignorance and error.
            By the third Hail Mary, you will ask me by the burning fire of love with which the Holy Spirit has inflamed me, to give you such ardent charity as will enable you to overcome the fear and struggle of death.
            This devotion is an especially powerful weapon in combatting sins of lust. St. Alphonsus, one of the greatest promoters of this devotion, recommended adding the following prayer at the end: “By thy pure and Immaculate Conception, O Mary, make my body pure and my soul holy.” Another option is to pray, “Mother, keep me this day from mortal sin.”

          • John Feeney says:

            We now have Peter Says who publicly advocates masturbation. How can someone claim to be a Catholic and try to tell us that masturbation is just wonderful? Did he ever read the story of Onan in the bible? It’s long past time to tell the people who publicly reject the teachings of the Catholic Church to either believe or leave!

          • Anonymous says:

            peter is not catholic and has stated that he does not like Christians.

      • Ann Malley says:

        YFC writes: “…Since virtually everyone masturbates from time to time, why do you choose to go after the 2% who are gay instead of the other 98% ? CCC after all calls masturbation a grave sin, as you correctly point out. What is the reason for your selective reading of the Catechism?”

        What is your reasoning for believing two grave wrongs makes both right or a pass. That said, not everyone or virtually ‘everyone’ masturbates from time to time. Yet another sick and perverted notion put forth by modernist, psycho-babble clap trap. There is such a thing as self control, self mastery, not masturbation and – ah, well – everyone does it. Just like not ‘everyone’ cheats on their spouse from time to time.

        Good grief.

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          I’m just telling it like it is, not the way some folks think it should be. Masturbation has been one of those silly “grave evils” we all used to hear so much about, and everybody knew everybody does it. Not gonna get anywhere by pretending that nearly everyone does it at least once in a while. Yet how often do we see articles here talking about a “masturbation lifestyle” or a “masturbation ideology”? No you don’t see it. Hence the selective reading of the Catechism. Good grief indeed.

          • Ann Malley says:

            Because, YFC, you don’t have those who masturbate promoting the Masturbation Pride Parade, or saying, We’re Out, We’re Masturbaters, and We’re Not Going Away…. or even attempting to keep our hands out of of our pants.

            As to one of those silly “grave evils” that we all ‘used’ to hear about, again, you make a very clear point, YFC. If you have been instructed that masturbation is not a grave evil, then you have been misinformed and/or improperly catechized by someone who has falsely deviated from Church teaching. Church teaching you obviously know and/or knew about at one time since you used to hear it. (I believe you mentioned that you as a child you attended Catholic schools, but were Protestant at the time. Is that perhaps where you heard that masturbation is a grave evil?)

            But again, if you’re not hearing these things, is it because nobody in your parish is preaching against it and/or speaking out against it within the confines of the confessional? That goes back to the formation of the priests and/or sins of omission with regard to those who know the truth and are in a position of authority keeping quiet.

            So yes, I hear you with selective reading of the Catechism. And selecting adhering since you’ve said yourself that you believe the notion of masturbation being a grave evil is silly and also questioning the morality behind homosexual sex.

          • Ann, there’s a very good reason why there’s no “Masturbation Pride Parade”, because no one “persecutes” masturbators.

          • Anonymous says:

            Chastity is more than prudent self-control. To practice chastity there must be chastity of the eyes, chastity of the ears, chastity of thought and chastity of desire. Father John Hardon
            Chaste people do not discuss these things.

          • So this is what YFC thinks about the teachings of the Church!

            silly — Showing a lack of good sense; foolish; stupid. Frivolous.

            YFC uses Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” #5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

      • Gratias says:

        Anal sex gives you AIDS and a great number of STDs such as Anal syphilis, Anal Ghonorrea and Anal Herpes. It is one of the sins that cries to Heaven for vengeance. Buggery in the USA has been particularly damaging to the Church when Homosexuals (those Pope Francis now calls Gays) entered the seminaries after V2 and went on to corrupt little children as is their preference.

    • Just the Truth says:

      Harvey Milk was a long-time supporter of Jim Jones who caused the death of 909 people thousand people at Jonestown, including 276 young children. See:

      http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2012/05/22/harvey-milk-and-jonestown/

      Schools who wish to instruct children about the “gay” icon, Harvey Milk should be sure to tell the children about Harvey Milk’s connection with the death of 276 children at Jonestown, including 6 year-old John Victor Stoen.

      See the letter that Harvey Milk sent to President Jimmy Carter in support of Jim Jones on February 19, 1978:

      http://savecalifornia.com/images/stories/PDFs/harveymilklettertojimmycarter.pdf

      Just 8 months later, 909 people, including 6 year old John Victor Stoen were dead from cyanide poisoned “Kool-Aid” in Jonestown.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Stoen

      School children should not waste any time studying the depraved life or character of Harvey Milk.

      But if California students are coerced to study about and celebrate the life of “gay” Harvey Milk on his birthday, May 22, than teach them the TRUTH in an age appropriate way!

      • Abeca Christian says:

        Just the truth God bless you. Thank you for all these facts.

      • Your Fellow Catholic says:

        So Just the Truth, you conveniently ignore the very direct quote from Harvey that Jim Jones was dangerous and you don’t want to be on his bad side. And then you go on from there to pretend that Harvey somehow had a hand in the deaths of the children. Where is the truth in your storytelling?

        • Anne T. says:

          Milk took money and support from Jones for his union.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            so what? that doesn’t mean he made them drink the coolaid!!

          • Anne T. says:

            What do you think Milk meant when he told people Jones could be dangerous if crossed? He knew or suspected that he was capable of murder. A good person does not deal with someone like that, but of course Jones was “bisexual” which made him “good” enough for Harvey Milk. Sexually deviancy was all Milk cared about.

          • Anne T. says:

            Correction: Jones was practicing bisexual.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Maybe Milk should or shouldn’t have taken money from a man he thought could be dangerous. But that doesn’t mean Milk had anything to do promoting either Jones or what happenned at Jonestown. Please stop making accusatory comments about something you have no evidence for. It happens to be something prohibited by our faith.

        • Anne T. says:

          I should have written that Milk took money and support from Jones for his election. I am not sure he took it for the union, but most likely some that money went there too.

          • Anne T. says:

            It is common public knowledge and no sin to repeat, especially when children and teens are being encouraged into this disease ridden, bodily injurious life style, you who call yourself YFC. You and others are trying to cover up what went on in those bathhouses, and it still goes on in some areas. A nurse told me during Harvey Milk’s time about the fisting and other deranged, and I do mean deranged, activities that were going on at that time. Harvey Milk encouraged those orgies and lived to regret it because of the STD and AIDS epidemic. There is NO sin in telling the truth to save other young men, and possibly women, from horrible deaths because of the sinful activities of others. Sorry, you who call yourself YFC, I do not drink the Kool Aid, not during Harvey Milk’s time and not now.,

          • Anne T. says:

            I will do one thing, though; I will pray for the soul of Harvey Milk, perhaps it will help heal me too. No one knows the state of Milk’s soul when he died, but I will not be buying the stamp.

    • Nicholas says:

      Ann Malley, there may not be a Masturbation Pride Parade, but there is a “masturbate-a-thon” in, yes, you guessed it, Sodom by the Bay.
      http://americansfortruth.com/2013/12/03/queer-indeed-masturbate-a-thon-in-san-francisco/

  2. Note the sublime irony: A putative Cartholic website complaining about adult-child sex.

  3. Father Karl says:

    In Germany, during the Third Reich, the main postage stamps that one could purchase were the stamps honoring Hitler. I believe the same was true also in the Soviet Union under Stalin, and in China under Mao. At least here in America, we are not forced or coerced to buy stamps which ‘honor’ a depraved and immoral person; at least NOW in May, 2014!

  4. Duncan says:

    The Harvey Milk stamp is synonymous with “buggery”…and all that it implies…

  5. I hope everyone will please watch this film. It’s so relevant to what we’re always discussing on CCD everyday! http://vimeo.com/93079367
    And in regard to this infamous stamp, I am going one step further and complaining to the Postal Service. This is reprehensible in honoring someone accused of being a pedophile and a man who was involved in many unsavory activities…the Jim Jones scandal, for one. Who will be honored next? Jim Jones?

    • Duncan says:

      Who knows?…maybe a Chuck Manson stamp…sans swastika of course

    • Dana, I watched your video, what a piece of trash. To say that God created homosexuals is pure blasphemy. I am attracted to the opposite sex but I have control of my passions and live a celibate life. Anytime I have an impure thought I say an Our Father, three Hail Marys and a Glory Be and it passes. It is a very power prayer.

      • Ron, I would never have recommended the film had it said that God created homosexuals…that was never the premise. It is that they are all made in the image of God, just like us. The people who gave their stories were made that way in the way they were brought up…didn’t you listen to them? Fr. Holliwell is a very faithful priest who works to bring the truth of Catholic teaching through the media. Check out his website sometime. Thank you for watching the video and I hope others will do so…especially those who claim to be of samesex orientation. This is about faithfulness and love. I’m sorry you didn’t like it, Ron, and hope you will watch it again…it is just the opposite of how you described it. Anyway, God bless you . I know we’re in agreement on the perfection and beauty of Church teaching…to me this video is ALL about the Church.

  6. juergensen says:

    Milk was your typical sodomite: a boy raper. Remember, studies show that sodomites, who are only 2% of the population, make up 33% of all child sex abusers.

    • Democratic Leader of the Congress of the United States, Nancy Pelosi has provided a fervent endorsement of Harvey Milk Day! See:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHPzzGq0v1k&list=UUkyoydip4xne9PyH35om5Lw#t=23

      May God have mercy!!!

    • Siollan says:
      • juergensen says:

        Juergensen’s statistic: TRUE

        http://tinyurl.com/m8xv7fd

        Don’t miss the 76 footnotes to academic publications!

        Thanks for playing!

        • Thanks for the great website and amusing comment. I really enjoy your posts!

          • juergensen says:

            You’re welcome, Dana! Pope Benedict XVI asked us to use the Internet to spread the faith and confront the heretics, and, alas, there is plenty of opportunity for that on this forum.

        • Oh – FRC the hate group. Of course. Now your post makes sense.

          • juergensen says:

            In its article FRC cites 76 footnotes to extraneous academic journals, which you conveniently ignore. Dissidents and heretics hate truth, after all.

            Indeed, you mock the Christian FRC as a “hate group”, but conveniently fail to mention that is was labeled a “hate group” by no other than the anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, pro-abortion, pro-sodomite “Southern Poverty Law Center”.

            Let’s see. You reject out of hand what the Christian FRC says, and yet accept blindly what the anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, pro-abortion, pro-sodomite “Southern Poverty Law Center” says.

            We know who you really are.

          • Siollan says:

            Btw. Save California is also designated a hate group by the SPLC.

          • Siollan says:

            Juergensen, are you familiar with the 9th Commandment?

            It’s interesting that you are so happy to embrace and defend an organization devoted to the cynical aim of trading in lies to achieve political ends. It doesn’t matter what the ultimate goal of the organization might be… the modus operandus of using any means (like false, demonizing propaganda) to justify an end… is the very definition of moral relativism.

          • peter, are you a member of the “love” GROUP?

          • Canisius says:

            The SPLC is a hate group

        • Siollan says:

          Again, the existence of footnotes (of any number) has zero correlation to the validity of a thesis.

          The FRC research had been roundly discredited, and its persistent continued use for purposes of demonizing propaganda has earned the organization the distinction of being categorized as a hate group by the SPLC… something that sounds like overkill, but seeing it used in this context to lend even a thin veneer of legitimacy to the likes of the comment above makes the designation appear more apt.

          Again, you can go through some of the footnotes here:
          http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

          Reminds me of this: Somehow, several noted physicists have recently ended up in a ‘documentary’ asserting that the Earth is the center of the universe.
          http://io9.com/why-are-all-these-physicists-in-a-weird-creationist-doc-1560470757

  7. St. Christopher says:

    Here’s a thought: why don’t all practicing Catholics demand that the USCCB, and (at least) the CA Catholic Conference, formally write to (1) the US Postal Service, (2) the House and Senate committees with jurisdiction over the Postal Service, and (3) the House and Senate committees that control appropriations for the Postal Service, that the bishops of America (which includes CA), object to the issuance of the Harvey Milk stamp, and to any federal funds used in printing or disbursing such a stamp. Ask that these stamps be withdrawn immediately from public sale. While collectors would be excited about this approach, homosexual sexual advocates and practitioners would be outraged (along with parents and students at many Catholic High Schools). This would represent a teaching moment for the bishops, who do little enough of this as it is. The Church could teach that homosexual sex is never licit and is always mortally sinful, and that Harvey Milk, as a person, was despicable. The bishops must do something to roll back the false sense of normality that homosexual activism has created — sort of a banality of perversion, to paraphrase Hannah Arendt’s book, “Eichmann in Jersaleum: A Report on the Banality of Evil.” Stand up, Preach the True Faith, Act like Men, Face the lions bravelly, and Become beacons of faithfulness to your flocks, whatever the cost.

    • juergensen says:

      You mean the same USCCB that issued “Faithful Citizenship”, a document containing language tantamount to a license to vote for Obama?

      You mean the same USCCB that moved the Catechism of the Catholic Church from its website’s home page and buried it in a back page?

      • St. Christopher says:

        Ahhh, one and the same. Here is a chance for the girly-men in the USCCB to actually and truly come out and say, this is wrong, this man was a monster and should never be celebrated, all of that. Let the screams and curses rain down! This expected collective outrage is precisely what is needed. Then the bishops — our leaders, the ones with the crozier to fight off wolves — will need to earn their keep. In fact, we need to demand that our bishops lead us in the Faith, rather than spending their time demanding obedience for this and that, and doing what they can to defeat anything Traditional (as well as stopping those pesky “holier than thou” communicants from kneeling, or even genuflecting, at the N.O. Mass). OK, Bishops Blaire, Ochoa, McGrath, Flores, Soto, Vasa, Barber, Loverde, Jugis, Olson, Archbishops Cordileone and Gomez, and Cardinals Dolan, Wuerl, and all the rest — let’s see what you can do. And, if you decide not to do anything, please tell us why, so that we can see your version of “Faith in Action.”

      • Anonymous says:

        On the home page, click Beliefs and Teachings. Click What We Believe. Click Catechism.

        • juergensen says:

          Exactly my point. Not long ago, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) enjoyed a prominent “Catechism” link directly on the home page of the USCCB’s website. Now there is no such link. It was removed.

          Now, instead of going to the USCCB website home page and seeing a “Catechism” link right there for all to see, the person looking for the CCC is required to know to click “Beliefs and Teachings” (which is not evidently the CCC), then click “What We Believe” (again, not evidently the CCC), and then finally click “Catechism of the Catholic Church”.

          Once displayed prominently on the home page, the CCC is now buried deep in the USCCB website. Only dissidents and heretics are content with this.

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      Where do you see in Church teaching that gay sex is always mortally sinful? I’ve been searching for that reference, and the only place I see it is in the comments section of CCD.

      • juergensen says:

        YFC, ever heard of the Catechism of the Catholic Church? If not, you need to buy one, for it clearly teaches the intrinsic evil of homosexual sex:

        2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

        • juergensen says:

          Also see:

          2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

          2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity.

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          right, jurgensen, and nowhere in those paragraphs does it say that gay sex is mortally sinful.

          • juergensen says:

            “Grave” is “mortal” (“1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law”). Hence homosexual acts are mortally sinful (“2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices”).

            Thanks for playing!

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            No. The matter at hand must be grave for it to qualify as a mortal sin. But a grave matter is never automatically a mortal sin. There are other requirements besides being a grave matter. Please learn your faith, and stop making things up.

      • YFC, very cleaver! You are right! The CCC does not use your happy word “gay sex”. It is nowhere to be found! I now can’t help but wonder; on the day of judgement, do you plan on using that line on God? 🙁

    • Amen, brother. Believe me, there are MANY women who truly appreciate and are thankful for strong, faithful men. Michael Voris is so right when he says the Church is becoming feminized. It’s got to be tough for ‘real’ men when everything in our culture is condemning them, undermining their authority and trying to silence men’s voices.

  8. Actually, this film was made under Fr.John Helliwell. oops.

    • Oops. Wrong again. Hollowell. Here’s his website:
      http://on-this-rock.blogspot.com
      Be sure to watch the video to the end, as all things are made manifest then.

      • Dana , wrong again.

        • Actually, Ron, your response should be “I think you’re wrong”. It’s your opinion after all. The video is subtle in its teaching but sometimes it’s much better when teaching difficult concepts to young people not to be stridently and overtly dogmatic. I used to teach art and I found by having prints of famous paintings hanging in the classroom, having the students draw in the style of various artists represented and talking about what techniques the painters used and about their lives in a casual way, was much more effective than lecturing with slides, memorizing styles and dates, etc. We all learn differently. The important thing is that no matter how something is taught, it must be true!

          • Dana, I think Ron’s purpose was to attempt to make you look foolish with the other readers. Well, if that was so, then it was a low blow.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            This, from Dana: “The video is subtle in its teaching but sometimes it’s much better when teaching difficult concepts to young people not to be stridently and overtly dogmatic.”

          • Ann Malley says:

            Not being overtly dogmatic doesn’t equal stripping out dogma all together, YFC. Do you have any experience with young people at all?

  9. Anonymous says:

    To the Facebook poster, Jerry, the age of adulthood in most states is 18 except for Alabama where it is 19 and Mississippi where it is 21.

  10. To Jerry: Such baloney. The number of pedophile priests (ONE IS TOO MANY) is less than 2% in 50 years! Look up the statistics on a reliable site. Anyone who relies on the mainstream media is not only uninformed about reality today, but misinformed deliberately. The Catholic Church’s soiled record is very bad, but the number of children who have been abused by others in authority surpasses it 5 or 6 times. Public school employees: 10%. Boy scouts, Rabbis or clergymen of other Faiths-much more than 2% in some places. The Catholic church seeks TRUTH and GOODNESS and LOVE above all else. To smear the whole Church because of the sins of less than 2% is just plain dumb! Children are much more likely to be molested by a member of their own family, often their dads, or uncles, or cousins. I know first-hand of what I write! And so do my siblings. We have forgiven the perpetrators and pray that they repented and the mercy of God overshadowed them at the time of their deaths.

  11. John Feeney says:

    A few years back, there was a Paulist Press “Catholic” store that sold Harvey Milk “holy cards”. Maybe they still do.

    • Wow, John, that seems a stretch even for San Francisco. Maybe Naughty Nancy Pelosi bought them all up to give to her friends…along with selfies of herself preening with the recent pp award…or one with her washing feet…or maybe with a photoshop version with her washing feet holding the award and a martini.

  12. ‘Tis a pity you won’t be compelled to lick the stamp. That aside, you are entirely free to purchase what you wish but you are not free to impose your religious dogma beyond the limits of Constitutional protections. Your religious beliefs must yield. Always.

    • Anne T. says:

      Only in your dreams. LWC. Nature is taking its course with all the diseases homosexual behavior produces, and still people like you encourage it.

    • LWC, what does opposing placing “a sexual anarchist who hated sexual boundaries, a homosexual predator of teens and boyish-looking young men, and a brazen attacker of moral standards and parental rights” onto an United States of America postage stamp have anything to do with “religious dogma”?

      Do you think that most American parents, without any religious leanings what-so-ever, knowing this about Harvey Milk, would be cool with this stamp?

  13. juergensen says:

    America has fallen from being first on the Moon to first to have a Sodomite Stamp.

    • …This is the way the world ends
      This is the way the world ends
      This is the way the world ends
      Not with a bang but a whimper.
      T.S.Elliot (The Hollow Men)

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      You can’t even get your facts straight. There have been others before, here is only one of them:

      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-16688942

      • juergensen says:

        Bletchley Park is not a country.

        Thanks for playing!

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          Great Britain is a country, my friend. Great Britain.

          • juergensen says:

            Your link says the stamp was issued by “Bletchley Park Post Office”; not by Great Britain, my friend.

            More, the man on the stamp is celebrated for his code breaking during the war. No mention of him being a sodomite.

            Conversely, the U.S. Post Office is issuing a stamp to honor a man known for nothing besides being a sodomite and sexual abuser of minors.

            You can buy all the Harvey Milk stamps you want, and lick them all, but it won’t change God’s Judgment of sodomites.

        • Siollan says:

          Josephine Baker, James Baldwin, Samuel Barber, Elizabeth Bishop, Isadora Duncan, Langston Hughes, Frida Kahlo, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Cole Porter, Gertrude “Ma” Rainey, Bessie Smith, Rosetta Tharpe, Andy Warhol, Walt Whitman, and Tennessee Williams.

          • Shakespeare, Milton, JS Bach, Mozart, Rembrandt, Handel, Wagner, Picasso, Monet, Manet, Caruso, Fra Angelico, Sinatra, Presley…well, you get my drift, Siollan

          • Siollan says:

            Not sure I do. Most (all?) of those have been featured on US stamps, but the list I put in there were all openly (or well known) LGBT people (who have already been featured on stamps in the US).

          • All the people I mentioned were on stamps as well, based on their achievements…not on their sexual preferences. As a matter of fact, that can be said of the people you chose, as well. As Juergensen wrote, “Conversely, the U.S. Post Office is issuing a stamp to honor a man known for nothing besides being a sodomite and sexual abuser of minors.” The USPS is celebrating a person who has no real achievements other than he won a political office for his sexual preferences and little else. It amazes me how SF can keep cranking these people out like little sausages, one by one they roll off the little assembly line in their plastic wrappers…clang, clang, clang, look out below!

          • Siollan says:

            SF didn’t ‘crank out’ Harvey Milk. He arrived there in his 40s and lived here less than 10 years.

            His primary accomplishment was being the first openly gay elected official. If he hadn’t been murdered, he would probably have drifted into obscurity and still be around, and would be as anonymous as the countless other supervisors that have come and gone.

            But he was murdered. So he’s synonymous with a place and time. I doubt anyone would consider him a remarkable person, but he’s become an avatar for the Gay Rights movement. Honoring him with a stamp is not really about him. It probably has more to to with the fact that no living people have ever been featured on stamps, so he qualifies. He represents a moment that distinguishes the people on the list (all artists, the only people free to be open with their sexual identities) from the world where people outside the avant-garde are free to be themselves.

            But I doubt the reception here would be any different if there was a Barney Frank stamp… or a series commemorating the Stonewall Riots, The Mattachine Society, the repeal of DOMA, or whatever else might qualify as landmarks… mostly they’re incremental victories.

            I’m surprised no one here has freaked out about the Tom of Finland stamp. It shows just how conservative the US is in comparison… look it up, if you’re needing to recharge your sense of outrage.

  14. Duncan says:

    I met a “gay”, whilst in hospital recovering from the “bends”, or rapture of the deep, which I incurred after many deep dives off the Puerto Rican trench, exploring for deep sea gastropods…the gay man had a stoma hole, which he used to void body waste…he told me that he had been wearing a colostomy bag and his gay lover gave him gonorrhea in and around the opening of the STOMA HOLE…MY JUMPIN JEHOSHAPHAT…they were even using surgically created evacuation holes as “cavities of carnal perversion”!…read em and weep!

  15. See the Washington Post article “New Finnish stamp features homoerotic themes.” April 14, 2014.

    These stamps are plain evidence of a militant homosexual movement on the global march.

  16. Another Anonymous says:

    I am sorry I ventured to read more of these remarks.
    What does the HATE and VENOM accomplish?

    I am AFRAID of people who are so sure they hold the CORNER on TRUTH.
    I can get that people are really, really scared and one’s own religious beliefs
    have been a safe place for years.
    Living beings grow……..all that is living grows, etc….what does not grow atrophies. Fear keeps us tied and bound but one can feel safe unless one is forced by life to deal…………

  17. juergensen says:

    Sodomite Statistics: 2% of the Population but 33% of Child Sex Abusers

    * A study of 457 male sex offenders against children in Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy found that “approximately one-third of these sexual offenders directed their sexual activity against males.”[7] [7 ~ Kurt Freund, et al., “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (1984): 197. “The proportional prevalence of offenders against male children in this group of 457 offenders against children was 36 percent.” See also, Kurt Freund, et al., “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” “Approximately one-third of these individuals had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls. This finding is consistent with the proportions reported in two earlier studies,” p. 107.]

    * The Archives of Sexual Behavior also noted that homosexual pedophiles are significantly over-represented in child sex offence cases: “The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 to 4 percent of men attracted to adults prefer men (ACSF Investigators, 1992; Billy et al.,1993; Fay et al.,1989; Johnson et al.,1992); in contrast, around 25 to 40 percent of men attracted to children prefer boys (Blanchard et al.,1999; Gebhard et al.,1965; Mohr et al.,1964). Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles.”[18] [18 ~ Ray Blanchard, et al., “Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000): 464.]

    • Siollan says:

      This is perfect. Thanks. It points out exactly where the FRC is blatantly lying.

      “Findings indicate that homosexual males who preferred mature partners responded no more to male children than heterosexual males who preferred mature partners responded to female children.” –Kurt Freund

      FRC is taking Freund’s research, and representing it in a way contrary to his findings, then using his name to lend legitimacy to the specious conclusion drawn from it.

      The Blanchard reference is assigning sexual orientation basis on abuser/victim gender, and does not even broach the adult sexual orientation (if any) of the abuser.

      The FRC then draws the conclusion that male/male molestation = homosexual, and completely ignores the conclusions by the sources it cites that pedophilia is something distinct from adult sexual orientation. Going into it would take too long, but it’s all covered here:
      http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

      This would be the flaw of the FRC’s research, if you were to assume it was ever done in good faith, but this is not research. It’s propaganda. It has been rejected/discredited/ignored by the scientific community that has an actual interest in child welfare or and a real understanding of pedophilia, yet continues to be used for its real purpose: eliciting an emotional response to demonize a population for political ends. This is the reason for SPLC’s hate group designation, and it’s apparent that it’s a valid one.

  18. St. Christopher says:

    “Your Fellow Catholic” and “Another Anonymous” (and others): Your comments simply refuse to recognize Catholic teachings regarding the moral prohibition against homosexual sex. As “juergensen” showed, the Catholic Catechism (Sec. 2357) is unequivocal — that is, certain — that “Sacred Scripture . . . presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity.” And, that “Under no circumstances can they [homosexual sexual acts] be approved.” No, the words “mortal sin” is not attached, but there can be no comfort to you, and all homosexual sexual practitioners in that regard. The Catechism, at 1859, makes clear that, “Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.” Your very comments on this issue, and active participation in this blog, show your understanding of what the Church says about the complete sinfulness of, and prohibition against, homosexual sex. The fact that the Church does not impose a Napoleonic Code approach by creating lists of this and that types of sin does not reduced the conclusion that homosexual sex is always, and everywhere, and everytime, mortally sinful. Unfortunately, homosexuals are not well served by a Catholic Church that is often far too lenient, and far too timid in branding this type of sexual activity a “sin” in any respect. Of course, this timidity is caused, in part, by the evil of clergy and laity that are, themselves, practicing homosexuals, but that is for another discussion. Please think about the clarity of the prohibition against homosexual sex and follow what the Catechism also commands: “Homosexual persons are called to chastity.” (No. 2359)

  19. Michael McDermott says:

    Anti-Cath0lic ‘Happy’ Trolls aside (and one wishes they would roost under a different bridge than this message board), the Teaching of the Church is simple – and SAINT John Paul II made it quite clear with his approval of:

    “Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons
    … Explicit treatment of the problem was given in this Congregation’s “Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics” of December 29, 1975. That document stressed the duty of trying to understand the homosexual condition and noted that culpability for homosexual acts should only be judged with prudence.

    At the same time the Congregation took note of the distinction commonly drawn between the homosexual condition or tendency and individual homosexual actions. These were described as deprived of their essential and indispensable finality, as being “intrinsically disordered”, and able in no case to be approved of (cf. n. 8, $4).

    In the discussion which followed the publication of the Declaration, however, an overly benign interpretation was given to the homosexual condition itself, some going so far as to call it neutral, or even good.

    Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

  20. Augustine Thomas says:

    Just another day in Baby Murder Nation!

  21. Abeca Christian says:

    Nothings has changed brothers and sisters in Christ. There will be those lost souls who would still defend the unnatural and sins connected to them.

    Our God is an awesome God, if only those who see and yet sin, would just give up their eye sight just to truly see God. To love Him above all things. To ask Him to give us a heart like His own. Wouldn’t that be something. A heart like our Lord’s? To fall in love with Jesus and not secular beings. We ought to look up to human beings who honor God in all things. To look up to them only because they are to inspire us to seek God and all that is good, modesty etc. This milk guy is being glorified on earth and wasting away more lost souls that are mislead by his poor witness.

    Turn away from sin and repent. This is a terrible injustice to honor such a man. But who are we kidding, we know that the secular will do what it has done for ages, it will continue down that same path of deceptive ways. God have mercy!

  22. John Feeney says:

    After reading all this, I think it may be time to review the four sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance.

  23. Duncan says:

    Two people fornicating is a serious sin…gravely sinful in fact…a mortal sin…men who delight in “buggering” other men is even more reprehensible…this perversion is so ignominious, “it cries to Heaven for vengeance”!…

  24. Father Karl says:

    To briefly comment on what Pete said in the first posting, the mother of St. John Eudes told him, ‘I would rather see you die, than commit ONE mortal sin!’ Sin is evil, it makes us an enemy of God, and if we die with an un confessed mortal sin on our soul, we will probably land up in hell for all eternity.

  25. Michael McDermott says:

    As a different source said of Harvey the Happy Martyr:

    Left’s push for adult-child sex – by J Matt Barber

    Or take “LGBT” martyr Harvey Milk, a sexual predator known to have statutorily raped, repeatedly, a drug-addicted, teenage, runaway boy. Milk’s punishment? The Obama administration just awarded him an honorary USPS postage stamp.

    Am I the only one who sees the pattern here? Has the goddess of “tolerance” really driven the world completely blind with madness?

    – I’ll also wager that, either way, we’ll soon begin seeing more “intergenerational sex” aficionados “coming out of the closet.”

    Welcome to the bottom of the slippery slope.
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mbarber/140428

    Sexual predator honored with U.S. postage stamp
    http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/sexual-predator-honored-with-u-s-postage-stamp/#dYJ7JfoDLRocR61m.99

  26. Duncan says:

    Patient Zero was friends with Harvey Milk…both cruised bathhouses together in the Castro District…many of Harvey’s friends I heard died, due to the “crud” that Patient Zero shared with them…

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