Climate change: the religious issue you didn’t know about

California Episcopalians move towards 'partnership' with political movement
Paradise by Lucas Cranach the Elder

Paradise by Lucas Cranach the Elder

The following comes from a March 30 Episcopal News Service article by Lynette Wilson:

 

[Episcopal News Service] When California Bishop Marc Andrus wants to engage people in a conversation about climate change he doesn’t throw statistics at them, rather he begins with a question like: When was the last time you had an experience of wonder in the natural world?

“If we can connect people back to it, or open them up for a fresh experience with wonder, it’s a great starting place for recovering a sense of why [climate change] is a moral issue,” said Andrus, during an interview with Episcopal News Service in Los Angeles, California.

“If we can help people understand how wonder is an experience of love, if we can remember when I fell in love with the earth … then you have people that will stick with the effort.”
Andrus made the trip from San Francisco to Los Angeles to speak on a panel about reclaiming climate change as a moral issue. The panel was one of two that took place during a March 24 forum – hosted by the Domestic and Foreign Missionary Society and Los Angeles Bishop J. Jon Bruno – aimed at addressing the global climate change crisis.

“Human appetites are responsible for the collapse of equilibrium particularly in developed nations, and many species are threatened with diminishment and loss of life,” said Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori in her keynote address at the start of the March 24 forum in Los Angeles.

Mary Nichols, who chairs the Air Resources Board of the California Environmental Protection Agency, and a member of Los Angeles’ St. James in the City Episcopal Church, spoke on the panel alongside Andrus.

“Climate change is a moral issue because as we understand it, human beings are the principal cause for the exaggerated effects of global warming that we are seeing on this planet, and therefore it is incumbent on us to take responsibility for that and to take action,” said Nichols.

The church’s forum was timely, said Nichols, as it begins a needed conversation about climate change as nations prepare for the Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, Nov. 30 – Dec. 11, in Paris, France.

“For the last decade and a half, The Episcopal Church has focused on LGBT issues, and now we’re having a growing consciousness about the enormity of the climate change crisis … and without letting go of any of the other justice issues, we’re seeing that this is the emerging need for our global engagement,” said Andrus. “We are an organization that has some capacity to be a partner to a movement, to be a supporter to a movement, a resource to a movement, from which energy and resources can come.”

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  1. This is what the Catholic Church teaches about the environment:
    CCC: “339 Each creature possesses its own particular goodness and perfection. For each one of the works of the “six days” it is said: “And God saw that it was good.”
    By the very nature of creation, material being is endowed with its own stability, truth and excellence, its own order and laws.”
    Each of the various creatures, willed in its own being, reflects in its own way a ray of God’s infinite wisdom and goodness. Man must therefore respect the particular goodness of every creature, to avoid any disordered use of things which would be in contempt of the Creator and would bring disastrous consequences for human beings and their environment. ”

    This does not mean that we must agree with the prudential judgment of Obama or even the Pope on non-proven scientific matters such as “global warming” – oops aka “climate change”.

  2. ” GLOBAL WARMING UNMASKED: The Hidden Agenda ”
    http://www.churchmilitant.tv/cia/04GlobalWarming/
    video plus documentation included

  3. Anonymous says:

    Glad I don’t belong to the Episcopal Church !

  4. Anonymous says:

    The Pope hasn’t told his Home Country to improve their own air pollution & water pollution. Argentina is a mess.
    And they should not expect other Countries to clean up their messes after them.

  5. Simone Dubois says:

    Marx and Engels wrote about using a weather problem to control people. People then wouldn’t have bought into that particular propaganda but we are ripe for the picking now.

    • Simone Dubois, can you tell us the publications and page numbers so that we can quote Marx and Engels ?
      We need to shout this from the roof, and show documentation.

      CONTROL of the people is the name of the game.

  6. Carbon is present in all forms of carbon-based life, and in the human body carbon is the second most abundant element by mass (about 18.5%) after oxygen.
    This abundance, together with the unique diversity of organic compounds and their unusual polymer-forming ability at the temperatures commonly encountered on Earth, make this element the chemical basis of all known life.
    Therefore, “Global Warming” aka “Climate Change” can be used as an EXCUSE for all types of EVIL against human beings, animals and plants.

    We must remember that there is a disagreement among Scientists regarding “Climate Change”.

    • Your Fellow Catholic says:

      There is no serious debate among scientists about climate change or our role in causing it. That “serious debate” was invented by Faux News.

      You are right, of course, that carbon is the basis for all life. But try immersing yourself in pure carbon dioxide even for a few minutes. You would die. Too much of a good thing…

      • Canisius says:

        The Left has such a desire for control, you failed with communism so now you are giving it another try with “climate change”.. The Left lies as matter of policy, just recently the fake rape story in Rolling Stone is the perfect microcosm of the Left, facts and truth do not matter at all, its the cause of the Left which is control

  7. St. Christopher says:

    People: Wake Up! These sorts of issues: immigration, global warming, economic inequality, the Designated Hitter Rule (trick issue) — all of these are important because sin is not. Without sin, and without the need to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Philippians 2:12; slight paraphrase), the Church must create some important function for Herself, or become completely irrelevant. Hence, “Environmentalism” and “Liberation Theology” and all that.

    No one is fooled by the Pope’s embrace of environmentalism (Really, Holy Father, letting the Vatican go dark for one hour to commemorate “Earth Hour” or something like that!), which is really better for him than preaching about sexual morality and such. People are happy in their sins (especially the sexual ones) and dislike someone, anyone, telling them to stop and be holy (or be damned).

    The New Catholic Church, more and more, will stamp out any attempts by priests to actually live the Faith (e.g., Fr. Illo, Cardinal Burke, and a growing list). Inquisitors will focus on “discrimination” and “judgmentalism” and all that as the “Real Sins” that we need to eliminate.

    Now is the time to Object, and to Withhold Money, and to Praise Tradition.

    • Anne T. says:

      Another thing some of these environmentalists won’t mention is that the estrogen in the sewage from women using the birth control pill is deforming the fish in the United States and others countries when it gets into the waterways. Some of the estrogen does come from the making of plastics, but much of it comes from estrogen filled urination entering and estrogen pills thrown into the toilets, and then the sewage goes on into our lakes and so forth.

      Anyone who doubts what I say can just google on line “Deformed fish from estrogen in the birth control pill”. Many of these reports are on non religious, non Catholic websites too.

  8. Steve Phoenix says:

    SF Episcopal bishop Marc Andrus is virtually echoing Pope Francis’ upcoming announcement on anthropogenic climate-change/global warming. In fact, more and more, the US Episcopal Church and the official Vatican positions appear to be synchronizing perfectly. Here are two more PF-positions about which the Episcopals and Bp. Marc Andrus is already on record and in harmonious agreement:

    “Pope Francis on Friday (Mar 20th, 2015) also reiterated the Catholic Church’s position that no crime deserves the death penalty. Capital punishment, he said, is “inadmissible, however serious the crime.” ‘

    “The report of [Pope Francis’ upcoming] lunch [with prisoners at a Naples prison during Holy Week] is also a reminder of the new tone and signature phrase of the Pope Francis papacy–“Who am I to judge?”–which was the Holy Father’s response to a question about homosexuality months after his election.”
    –Time, Mar. 20, 2015, “Pope Francis to Dine with Gay and Transgender Inmates at Naples Prison”

    • hosemonkey says:

      With all due respect to the Holy Father, there are some people in this world whose crimes deserve the penalty of death. By their acts they have forfeited their place as members of the human race. Full stop. And it is not for him to say “who am I to Judge”, when the issue is mortal sin, that of the practice of homosexuality. This guy worries me.

    • We are not required to adhere to the personal opinions of any Pope on any topic.

      The Pope, as we, are entitled to our own prudential opinions in some matters.
      However, when his personal opinions are not 100% in line with the Doctrine of the Faith, he causes grave confusion. After all, the Pope is supposed to set an example.

      We are as is the Pope – required to adhere to Sacred Scripture and the Doctrine of the Faith as contained in the CCC.

  9. Barbara says:

    Climate change? Who cares.Who am I to judge. Let’s focus on what’s really REALLY important: In San Diego, McDonald’s will be serving breakfast 24/7 starting in April. I understand the scrambled eggs are an environmentally pure composite so no chickens will be offended.

  10. Michael McDermott says:

    Climate Change Is For Real.

    However, the climate change political scams are mostly ways for insiders to cash in and yet another ‘useful crisis’ for the Abomination to turn focus away from the Failure of POTUS Barry ‘on the down low’ Soetoro – in almost every way other than ‘Fundamentally Trashing’ America.

    Anyone who doubts the Reality of Climate Change should take a look at Greenland – which did not get its name from being covered in ice, as it is now.

    The Sun is the Primary source of Earth Heating, and its behavior is not always stable or consistent. Likewise, the molten core of the earth produces volcanic ash and matter that contributes to pollution – as does slash & burn agriculture in poor lands.

    The ‘Issue’ is actually the Extent to which Human Industry / Existence influences the Climate, and to what extent that is a bad thing (the earth has experienced both global cooling and warming, with mixed results) – and to what extent curbing Human Actions will impact the Weather.

    So Far – much of this looks like a ‘bait & switch’ scam – and who knows how many ‘Carbon Offset’ Millionaires have been created. As usually – when Science (Like Genetic Proof of Gender) conflicts with Alinskyite Politics – Fact based Reason is usually the first to get torched by the ‘tolerance’ mob

  11. Global warming (now climate change) is a misnomer, deliberately so, created by millionaires and billionaires to establish another entity whereby they can invest in same, thereby earning many more millions and not subject to the vagaries of the stock market, etc. You must understand that however many more millions they can amass is never enough and they are now terrorizing us into acceding to their wishes, such as Kerry, Buffett, Obama, etc. to force the issue. DON’T LET IT HAPPEN!!!

  12. Well, is it the word, “coerce”? Is it naming prominent names who are pressuring us? Apparently, it wasn’t “Don’t let it happen!” because that has been on and off.
    I’ve wanted to comment for years and got up enough nerve to do so. Oh well, I will sign off for now…..thanks for your help….Diane
    P.S. I live to read St. Christopher’s comments……

  13. Steve Golay says:

    The point of posting this Episcopalian event was . . . ? Not that information about other “faith communities” does not have its place, but to highlight it without commentary is a bit confusing. Again, the point of y9our posting was . . .

  14. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” –H.L. Mencken

    • How about this one, Hymie?

      “Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other.” — Oscar Ameringer

    • Except I would add, politics is not such a gentle art.

  15. California has one year of drinking water left? Who cares? All of them drink water that is bottled in France.

    • Some of it comes from Canada and other countries, Tex. We do use a lot of bottled water as this is earthquake country, and the store of it has to be kept up to date. That is our excuse anyway.

      • There is no excuse for the LACK of drinking water in CA, or other west coast States. Salt water abounds.
        The technology of DESALINIZATION has been around and used by many Countries for years. FL has had a desalinization plant since 1977.

        The people of CA need to pressure their State elected officials to get moving on these plants, and not build them on a fault line.
        The people have to be willing to pay for these services.
        Do not blame others for your lack of water.

        • Your Fellow Catholic says:

          You all will care when the price of almonds and tomatoes and soybeans triples. They you’ll complain that we import too much food from Mexico.

          If you went to Easter Vigil, you heard how God made us stewards of his creation. Pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere at such rates that we are literally baking ourselves over time hardly seems like we are following the Bibilical imperative. Frogs in a pot of slowly boiling water….

          • Canisius says:

            By your logic YFC we should force plants and trees to stop the process of photosynthesis. What you and the rest of the Left wants to control over as much of our lives as possible, this has always been the goal of the Left, control, control, control, you failed with Marxism now try a new scheme.

          • Your Fellow Catholic says:

            Canisus, photosynthesis is a process where atmospheric carbon dioxide is converted to carbohydrates and oxygen, removing the greenhouse gas from the the atmosphere. One of the contributor to the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide (and therefore global warming), is the massive deforestation that took place in the twentieth century in places like the Amazon.

            One of the technologies being studied to reverse global warming are massive photosynthetic algae farms.

            I don’t think Marx gave much thought to climate change or photosynthesis. Nice try though.

  16. I should have said other states, too.

  17. Bob One says:

    Let’s just stipulate that the climate is changing! That cannot be denied. The question is how much we humans are speeding up the climate change vs. how quickly it would change on its own. Science has proven that human endeavor has made the change faster. Yet, in a country that prides itself on a well educated population, so many do not believe in science and repeat the nonsense of the far right wing conservative radio talk shows and far right wing fringe groups who would oppose anything suggested by a moderate. It is also not true that we, as Catholics, are not required to be good stewards of our land. God created the heaven and earth and we are expected to take care of it. Don’t scan the Catechism to find right with propaganda. It isn’t there.

    • Bob One, who is the ‘moderate’ that you are talking about ?
      Al Gore who made billions from his wild predictions (which did not come true) while riding around in his private jet;
      Solyndra and other companies that bilked the US taxpayers using scare tactics;
      Other get rich quick schemes whereby the wealthy can purchase carbon credits to pollute while others must sacrifice ? – This alone should tell you something.
      They had to change their mantra from “global warming” to “climate change” because the scientific facts proved they were lying.

      CCC: ” 339 Each creature possesses its own particular goodness and perfection. For each one of the works of the “six days” it is said: “And God saw that it was good.” “By the very nature of creation, material being is endowed with its own stability, truth and excellence, its own order and laws.”
      Each of the various creatures, willed in its own being, reflects in its own way a ray of God’s infinite wisdom and goodness.
      Man must therefore respect the particular goodness of every creature, to avoid any disordered use of things which would be in contempt of the Creator and would bring disastrous consequences for human beings and their
      environment. ”
      This quote is what we must believe.

      • Bob One says:

        Mac, your quote of the CCC is correct:
        Man must therefore respect the particular goodness of every creature, to avoid any disordered use of things which would be in contempt of the Creator and would bring disastrous consequences for human beings and their
        environment. ”
        We must avoid any disordered us of things, like dirty coal soot spewing into the air when other methods are available. God created clean air to breath, and will hold us in contempt for making it dirty. We cannot do anything that brings disastrous consequences for human beings and our environment.
        We, the people of God, must do whatever we can to change the way we sully the earth. I invite you to visit the capital of China and most of their other multi-million-person cities to see the havoc they have done to the environment. In my area, new homes are being built with enough solar panels on the roof to ensure that they never pay an electric bill. Solar farms are are sprouting up like corn. Windmills are providing some, but not a lot of the electricity for local towns, and small windmills are providing electricity for farms and small industries. It can be done, we can take care of the environment as God intended.

        • Canisius says:

          We must avoid any disordered us of things, like dirty coal soot spewing into the air when other methods are available. So Bob One when your precious poor people cannot afford the dramatic increase in electricity prices due to the fact we are abandoning plentiful coal for high cost alternative, how does that square with your constant screaming about social justice. BTW Bob One using coal to heat your home will not damn you to hell despite what your priest might have told you. The goal of people like Bob one is be sanctimonious about the environment while at the same making sure the middle class is crushed by his environmental views.

    • Canisius says:

      “Science has proven that human endeavor has made the change faster. ” I am calling you on this Bob One, state at least 3 scientific journals that proves this, no not the corrupt models that have been used by scientific facts.

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