Bishop Quinn: it’s not psychologically healthy for a priest to be celibate

Former Sacramento bishop would like the church to consider ordaining women as priests, communion for divorced and remarried
Francis Quinn, seen in his care site room, has written a book, “Behind Closed Doors: Conflicts in Today’s Church.” (Randy Pench)

Francis Quinn, seen in his care site room, has written a book, Behind Closed Doors: Conflicts in Today’s Church. (Randy Pench)

The following comes from a January 16 Sacramento Bee article by Marcos Breton:

It’s been more than 20 years since 94-year old Francis Quinn was bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento.

Quinn might have been a journalist. He might have married one of the eighth-grade girls he remembers from his youth in Napa. He might have fathered children. Instead, in a practice largely discarded by the church, Quinn went into a seminary as a ninth-grader. He was just 13 when he left his family and dedicated his life to the service of God.

He was barely going through puberty when he committed to a life of celibacy.

Last September, Quinn wrote an op-ed for The New York Times about how Pope Francis might renew the church by shaking it up even further than he already has. It was a graceful piece that hinted at the journalist Quinn might have become. He found himself advocating for his church to ease up on the requirements that all priests be celibate.

“It’s not psychologically healthy for a priest to be celibate just because the church requires it,” Quinn said. “The church used to put young men in a closed seminary when they were in puberty, away from their families, where they only go home at Christmas and in the summer. In its wisdom, the church has closed most of its high school seminaries.”

When asked how Quinn’s life might have been different had he gone into the seminary when he was older than 13, he paused. His eyes welled up. His voice dropped to barely above a whisper. “If I hadn’t gone to the seminary at 13, I would have never gone in,” he said. “Once I was in high school, I think I would have met a nice girl.

Quinn wept softly and briefly as he imagined the life he believes God chose for him. Then he sounded like the spiritual leader who was so well known in Sacramento. “Not that I regret it because I could say it’s been a happy life,” he said. “Very happy.”

Quinn wants priests to marry because he couldn’t. He doesn’t think it will happen soon, but he’d also like his church to consider ordaining women as priests.

He wants the church to stop denying the Eucharist to divorced Catholics who have remarried.

These were thoughts he never had when he led the church in Sacramento. “When you’re a bishop, you barely have time to think,” he said.

Now, with nothing but time to think, Quinn wants “ a church where all the people are together.”

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  1. Michael McDermott says:

    I have met Happily Married Catholic Priests (formerly Episcopal, who accepted Saint John Paul II offer to ‘Pope Up’ to Full Communion) as well as Men who entered the Priesthood as Widowers.

    Both were of outstanding caliber as Priests, and had a level of understanding of other Heterosexual Men that I found all too lacking in so many of their brethren, far far too many of whom were closeted.

    I Support a Married Priesthood – And So Did Saint John Paul II – Where Appropriate. It sure would have saved so many Ruined Lives and wasted treasure to pay for Homosex Ephebophiles infiltrating the ranks.

    SEE
    As much as half of priests and bishops are homosexual.
    http://www.pagadiandiocese

    • Linda Maria says:

      Bless you, Michael McDermott! In the late 1960’s, we all used to say “Well, there are no REAL MEN left! We had a horrific religious genocide in the Church, as the book, “Good-Bye, Good Men,” described! No REAL MEN– for either Holy Matrimony or Holy Orders!! Other churches did not go through a big change, as our Church did, with Vatican II. Some, like the Episcopal Church, went through their big changes, later. Churches that did not undergo devastating changes, were pretty stable, with more stable leadership. Ours was a ZOO!! Well, I still dearly miss REAL MANHOOD, in our country and in our Church! I miss REAL WOMANHOOD, too! No MORMALCY left!!

      • Linda Maria says:

        Sorry– I typed too fast! In my last line, I meant to say “No NORMALCY left!!” It is so wonderful, that you appreciate TRUE MANHOOD, Michael McDermott!! I have talked to many men of all ages, since the late 1960’s, who have struggled and endured UNJUST RIDICULE and PERSECUTION (unlike their fathers!) — because they simply desired to be just as God naturally made them to be–REAL MEN! And REAL MEN always appreciate REAL WOMANHOOD, too!! WONDERFUL!!

    • Steve Phoenix says:

      Although I don’t agree, Michael McDermott, with your position on a married Catholic priesthood, I do agree — based on many conversations by “deep-cover” good diocesan and also religious-order Catholic priests–that more than half of the clergy are likely homosexual, and many not necessarily chaste. More than one USF Jesuit, individuals who were classic trad Catholic priests, once informed me that in their order that likely it is above 70%.

      And BTW if you don’t get the OK of the 70%, and show non-threatening, moreover acquiescing (or sometimes more active), behavior to them, you don’t get “advanced” to leadership positions. Let’s let people think about that.

      • Linda Maria says:

        Steve Phoenix– Where did this “70%” figure come from?? Is this due to possible secret homosexual activity, in the post-Vatican II, “Good-Bye, Good Men” priesthood?? All unfaithfulness to a priest’s holy vows, is a MORTAL SIN– and a very dangerous thing, to the poor lay faithful, and their families and loved ones! Many could be greatly harmed! When I think of the laymen and their families, with the sick, elderly, and little children– well, this figure, of only 70% of our priests to be decent men– it is TERRIBLE!! How about 98%, and the 2% of bad priests, kicked out??

        • Steve Phoenix says:

          The priests citing their 70% estimate were referring to the Jesuit order, not necessarily the whole Catholic priesthood. It was only an observation, not a controlled statistical survey figure, Linda. Still, I think it is accurate.

          • Linda Maria says:

            Well, the Jesuits have been very unfaithful to God, in the years since Vatican II!! They are RUINED!! I also think many may be gay, and regardless– many are just extremely immoral misfits, in the priesthood! Some also have been well-known criminals, convicted of years of pedophilia! The Jesuits are RUINED, worldwide– and should be seriously investigated and corrected, by authorities in the Vatican!

    • Rachael V. says:

      CCC: ” 1579 All the ordained ministers of the Latin Church, with the exception of permanent deacons, are normally chosen from among men of faith who live a celibate life and who intend to remain celibate “for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.” Called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to “the affairs of the Lord,” they give themselves entirely to God and to men. Celibacy is a sign of this new life to the service of which the Church’s minister is consecrated; accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radiantly proclaims the Reign of God. “

    • Are Priests these days giving themselves completely to God to do his work, or is the Priesthood secondary in their lives ?
      Don’t Catholics adhere to Sacred Scripture anymore?
      Mt 19:12;
      1 Cor 7:32

    • Those on here who attack Bishop Quinn show their ignorance about Catholic Theology. Clerical celibacy is discipline, not doctrine. Thus it is a tradition that we can legitimately question, especially since many churches can be “in communion” with Rome and still have married clergy.

      Saying Quinn is senile is a mean-spirited attack against a man who has served God his whole life. Perhaps, Bishop Quinn is feeling lonely at age 94, and believes he would have a family around him had he married.

      • Ann Malley says:

        …and he could have married, JonJ, but he chose the priesthood. We all have to make choices in life.

        Clerical celibacy is a discipline for good reason, not a random decision intended to produce loneliness. In truth, if the Bishop had done all the work in his life and, at the same time, had a family, the children may not want to speak with their father or be at his side at age 94 because they may very well be embittered over having always come second, third, fourth or not at all because their father was bound to the Church.

        The rosy could be is too often rife with the thorns we have never felt because we chose differently.

  2. Linda Maria says:

    Retired Bishop Francis Quinn is not a true Catholic. Our faith, which comes from Christ, is very excellent! You must leave all, and follow Him! It is not of this world, but of Heaven! We must take Christ at His word, to leave all and follow Him– and trust Him completely! He will deliver, on all of His promises to us, 100%!! He will NEVER fail us! It is we, who fail Him! I think this man probably was never called to the priesthood at all! Also, it takes a strong, unselfish man, of excellent character– to be ready to be a god husband and father! You cannot be thinking of “me, me, me!” Many marriages fail, in today’s society! Al vocations, whether to the Priesthood or to Marriage and Fatherhood– require maturity!

    • Linda Maria says:

      Sorry, but there are a couple of typographical errors, in my post, due to typing too fast, due to time and word limitations, on these posts! Too bad!

  3. Linda Maria says:

    Both Holy Orders and Holy Matrimony are Sacraments, and both are designed to lead us to purification, to prepare us for Heaven, not just fulfilling our own desires, in this world! Both vocations, both Sacraments, require a great deal of hard work, unselfishness, and maturity, and the willingness to accept God’s plans for us, not our own. I had a very good Great Uncle, who nursed– and lost– two wives, to cancer. He had met and married both ladies, at his church. Next, he met a third lady at the church, married her– and she outlived him! This great-uncle’s devout faith in God, pulled him through his times of sorrow!

  4. Linda Maria says:

    Anglican and similar married clergy, do not necessarily take the Sacraments as seriously as we do. Their views are so different! They also do not necessarily view their Faith, as being focused so clearly, on holiness, sanctification, and preparation for Heaven, eventually. They are more worldly! A married man is not necessarily a good candidate, for Holy Orders! What is needed, is for God to call a young man, for God’s own purposes, to a particular vocation. It is wonderful for a good bishop, to daily pray the Rosary, and go to Adoration, for vocations! And to inspire young men of high character, maturity, and spiritual gifts, to consider a vocation to the Priesthood!

  5. Sometimes it’s best to ignore the ramblings of an old man.

    He has spent way too much time lamenting the practices of the Church and his advanced age does not make his arguments any more notable or correct. Sad.

  6. Joel Fago says:

    “He wants the church to stop denying the Eucharist to divorced Catholics who have remarried.”

    “Mercy” without justice is false compassion.

    Bishop Quinn wants a church without the sacredness of the Eucharist or marriage. He wants schism.

  7. I am fulfilled in my celibate life, just as Jesus promised to us who would give up family for Him. The bishop gives his own personal experience. It cannot be applied to anyone else.

    • Ann Malley says:

      …those who are married and have to forgo the physical relationship for myriad reasons are similarly fulfilled when their lives are rightly ordered toward God. This focus on the physical and it’s absolute necessity is such a lie – a negation of grace.

    • Bishop Quinn seems to overlook a vitally important distinction. The rule of celibacy for priests is a Church discipline which the Church could change whenever she considers it wise to do so. It is not a solemn unchangeable teaching of the Church. But the teaching on women’s ordination is a solemn unchangeable teaching, and so is the teaching regarding worthiness to receive the Eucharist. I would be very concerned about any bishop who does not know or does not acknowledge that distinction.

  8. “It’s not psychologically healthy for a priest to be celibate just because the church requires it,” Quinn said.

    Is he saying that the High Priest, Jesus Christ, was unstable, not psychologically healthy?

    “If I hadn’t gone to the seminary at 13, I would have never gone in,” he said.

    Jesus went in at 12. wink wink.

    • Denise…Jesus went n back to live out his childhood with Mary and Joseph, not at a synagoge boarding school and …I’m going to get jumped on for this …He may well have married before he began his public ministry at age 30. Remember, women dying in childbirth was very common then.

      • Anonymous says:

        No. Jesus did not ever marry.

      • Linda Maria says:

        C&H– The Holy Family did not live as an ordinary Jewish family! They lived a holy life, apart from the world, in total, sinless dedication to God! They were all Saints– and the Christ Child, was no ordinary child– He was the Son of God! Our Blessed Mother was not among the “fallen,” of this world– she is the Immaculate Conception! Christ came for only one purpose– to teach us all how to lead a holy life, and save our souls! Christ was not an ordinary, Jewish married man, with children! Neither was His holy cousin, St. John the Baptist! Christ is the Son of God!

        • Linda..In the Gospels we learn of Christ’s birth, His getting lost at the temple at about age 12 and then we pick up with Him at age 30 when he begins his public ministry. We’re taught that He was both God and man. So what happened in those 18 years? The Bible is completely silent.

          • Linda Maria says:

            C&H– In Christ’s time, much was handed down by sacred oral tradition. The Bible was compiled later. It is the Word of God. It is no ordinary “book!” Our Faith teaches us, that Our Blessed Mother was the Immaculate Virgin, conceived and born with no sin– and her husband, St. Joseph, was a Saint. Christ was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, not of man, but of God! The Holy Family was of Heaven, sinless!– and did not live as ordinary people. Christ never lived the ordinary, laymen’s life! He was the Son of God, born to save the fallen, sinful world! This is our holy Faith!

          • Linda Maria says:

            C&H— Christ was the Living God, appearing in human form! He was not as ordinary people of this earth! His parents lived in a continual state of unsurpassable holiness, with God, and not as ordinary “husband and wife!” Their Divine Son was not of this world! He was Divine, and not of earth, but of Heaven! He had no earthly interests and pursuits, like the common man. He probably spent His early years deep in prayer, with His Father, in Heaven— preparing for His Divine Mission! He was Our Lord and Savior, PURE AND SINLESS!! He is most GLORIOUS!! WORSHIP HIM!!

          • Catherine says:

            C&H wrote: “He may well have married before he began his public ministry.” = Only invincible ignorance can be labeled as innocent posting bliss.

            C&H’s comments prove two things. First of all, the comments prove just how terrible the catechesis is within the Church.. AND/OR… secondly, the reality that C&H is (as usual) deliberately catering to the unholy cause of spreading more mass confusion. IOW undermining Catholic Truth.

            continued…..

          • Catherine says:

            INFILTRATION – Manning Johnson

            The crisis facing the Catholic Church in the United States and the abominable state of the seminary system, goes beyond mere incompetence; it bears the mark of intentional orchestration. Mr. Manning Johnson, a former official of the Communist Party in America, gave the following testimony in 1953 to the House Un-American Activities Committee:

            continued…..

          • Catherine says:

            continued.. “Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin… the communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through the infiltration of the Church by communists operating within the Church itself. The communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions and the religious makeup peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate communist agents in the seminaries. ”

            cont….

          • Catherine says:

            continued..

            “The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to communist purposes…. The policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our communist expectations.” – Manning Johnson

          • Catherine says:

            http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

            “The third part of the secret refers to Our Lady’s words: ‘If not [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated’ (13-VII-1917). And let us not say that it is God who is punishing us in this way; on the contrary it is people themselves who are preparing their own punishment.”

            continued…

          • Catherine says:

            ” In his kindness God warns us and calls us to the right path, while respecting the freedom he has given us; hence people are responsible”.(5)

            The action of God, the Lord of history, and the co-responsibility of man in the drama of his creative freedom, are the two pillars upon which human history is built.

            Our Lady, who appeared at Fatima, recalls these forgotten values. She reminds us that man’s future is in God, and that we are active and responsible partners in creating that future. “

          • Catherine .. Are you implying I’m a COMMUNIST? Just because I speculate about Christ’s”missing years?” I hope that’s not true.
            I’ll have you know I was demonstrating against the Soviet treatment of Christians and Jews when I was thirteen!

          • Ann Malley says:

            Maybe we Catholics should demonstrate against the Soviet treatment of Christ in His own Church amid His own flock. As for speculation, God doesn’t go about doing the superfluous what the heck. So pondering over a potential wife who maybe died in childbirth begs the question; to what purpose?

          • Ann Malley says:

            Your comment demonstrates a deconstructionist approach to the Catholic Faith, C&H. That is why you anticipated the hit you thought you’d receive.

            You may have been demonstrating against the Soviet treatment of Christians and Jews at 13, but that doesn’t mean you weren’t influenced by communist principles at play within the Church.

          • Catherine says:

            “Catherine are you implying that I’m a Communist?” = C&H, Are you implying, (or hiding under the banner of) invincible ignorance due to the rejection of your particular cross of same sex attraction? Your posts are a steady stream of set ups for undermining Church teaching while promoting the homosexual agenda. You imply that Jesus was married in a futile attempt to also take Our Lord’s Divine Image Nature down a human notch. What a selfishly comfortable attempt to diminish Him in the eyes of others. You even applied Bishop Quinn’s same faulty logic to Jesus in order to rationalize acts and justify your very own weakness.

            continued…

          • Catherine says:

            C&H, Perhaps in your past you demonstrated for the good. That is no longer the case on CCD. You are now demonstrating against God’s natural law. You are currently a deliberate “caterer” of ‘chaos and confusion’ and your work is legion.

            Holding fast to the Traditions of the Church will result in labeling many as rebellious and defiant. Be not afraid! The name Mary also means rebellion. Pray the rosary!

            RORATE CÆLI: Rome’s “Family Day” – Defiant Catholic Laity against “same-sex unions”, despite little support from the Vatican

            http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/01/romes-family-day-defiant-catholic-laity.html?m=1

          • Catherine says:

            Thank you, once again, Ann Malley for your much welcomed wisdom. God bless you, sweet sister in Christ!

            2 Timothy 1:16-18.. May the Lord show mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, because he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chains. 17 On the contrary, when he was in Rome, he searched hard for me until he found me. 18 May the Lord grant that he will find mercy from the Lord on that day! You know very well in how many ways he helped me in Ephesus.

          • Ann Malley says:

            God bless you, Catherine, and I’m passing on nothing but what I’ve learned and experienced.

            Forgive them…. for they know not what they do. C&H and others are younger and therefore, even if reared in Catholic households and especially, products of Catholic Schools, are fruits of intense confusion. I’m personally thankful for the clearly demonstrated disconnect between being Catholic and acting as if one is truly Catholic – to include understanding the teachings of the Church.

            At this point, many of the children in the house are gravely ill and are contaminating others even without knowing it. It’s discussions like this that reveal what ails us. God bless!

  9. Sounds like retired Bishop Quinn would have made an ideal Episcopal
    bishop.

  10. Steve Phoenix says:

    I met and talked on many occasions with Bp. Francis Quinn some years ago when he was auxiliary bishop of SF and then later also Sacramento Diocese’s leader: his views were then main-line Catholic, tempered, balanced and traditional.

    The very fact that during this interview “his eyes welled up [with tears]” tells you (having some experience and knowledge in skilled nursing and elder-care, myself), that he likely is experiencing occasional dementia. He is not the same person, and none of us are, when we may be so fortunate, by God’s grace, to hit our mid-90’s. Emotional and rational balance become more difficult; blood-pressure changes affect the intellectual process for many, not all, etc. It is a shame that this drive-by…

    • Steve Phoenix says:

      …drive-by interviewer capitalized, in this context, on the opportunity to sensationalize Bp. Quinn’s objectively mistaken views. The progressive Catholic left will of course run with it.

    • Thank you for this post. You showed a lot of compassion.

    • As a medical provider, I agree that the disruption of critical thought is not uncommon in the suffering of dementia. Depression adds a layer of verbalized regret and anxiety over the whole of ones personality. I pray that this elderly clergy is not despised for what he says, as he may no longer be competent.
      I have had many conversations with those whose remarks seems astute and reasonable only to have their family tell me that there was not a bit of fact in any of it. Pray for this man, who gave many years to the practice of the faith and from what others have said, was orthodox at one time.

  11. Ann Malley says:

    “It’s not psychologically healthy for a priest to be celibate just because the church requires it,” Quinn said.

    The world would have us believe that it is not psychologically healthy to work at saving a struggling marriage, too. Many an old man/woman laments the girl/boy who they let get away because they chose another. It’s called regrets and the grass-is-always-greener syndrome. (Greener because only the dream exists and not a reality of another life studded with its own hurdles.)

    “If” I had taken this road instead of that road.

    Well, if ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ were candies and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas, too. But life doesn’t work that way – not just the Church. Prayers for +Quinn.

  12. tee bohnar says:

    WHAT!!!! His Excellency has succumbed to senility. He has gone mad. He is NOT to be believed, heeded, paid any attention.
    Those who publish his statements are the guilty ones. Senility has DEFINITELY cemented his earlier wishes. His comments are 180% the opposite of those of the Founder of our Faith. He is a faithless child of HIM. It happens.

  13. At 94, I hope Bp. Quinn repents for the sake of his own salvation and for leading so many astray. Apparently he has never internalized the supernatural. He is still “of the world”. I will pray for him. He needs a good Spiritual Director!!

  14. Quin advocates a clearly heterodox, heretical shift in core Catholic theology. If the Church needs to become Protestant in order to “modernize” or whatever it is that he and unfortunately Francis seem to desire then it’s time to end the charade and turn out the lights.

    Fwiw Trump is the only candidate who might have the capacity to turn this nation around and win the religious war which Muslim radicals are waging

    If I may be so bold, Cal Daily apparently has no conception of how close the West is to the point of no return

  15. This piece is liberal trash. God’s grace is free, and He can refuse it anytime He wants. Many male teenagers feel called to the priesthood, but now all the minor seminaries are closed. The grace to be a priest is lost. When one has tasted the fruits of the flesh, it is very difficult to give them up for a life of celibacy. Bishop Quinn must have been one of those planted into the Church to try and destroy Her. Ave Maria Purrissima !

  16. Celibacy is clearly not working as it was originally intended. Instead, “celibacy” has been twisted and used as a tool to recruit homosexuals to the priesthood, which many now estimate at around 50% in the U.S. This powerful “gay lobby” will ensure that nothing changes in that percentage–in fact, it could likely get much worse. Celibacy has become a false cover for these priests’ nefarious activities.

    http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/half-of-priests-and-bishops-are-gay

    The ONLY way to break this vile cycle is to start recruiting men in good, valid Catholic marriages to the priesthood. It will take centuries to root out this problem.

    • Linda Maria says:

      The Priesthood is holy and sacred! It is not for every man! It is for the few who are extraordinary, of very high character and holiness, whom God truly calls! The only way to get rid of bad priests, is for good Church leadership which will firmly close the doors to bad seminarians and bad priests, and cultivate only good priests! The vocations will always be there!

  17. FrMichael says:

    “He was barely going through puberty when he committed to a life of celibacy.”

    Hmmm, I remember making my promise of celibacy at my diaconal ordination. Since when did entering minor seminary become a time of firm commitment to celibacy? Historically 90% of minor seminarians in the US did not advance to Holy Orders during the 20th century.

    Kudos to the commentator, Steve Phoenix, who attributes Quinn’s nonsense to senility. I have to say I was being less charitable, but you have reminded me of an alternative explanation of his remarks. I’ve had additional dealings with Quinn, not as benign as yours, in years past, but it is good to attribute this to old age.

    • Though admittedly I still have eight years to go for my medical degree, I hesitate to concur with the senility diagnosis. Do the demented write books: “Behind Closed Doors: Conflicts in Today’s Church” Francis Anthony Quinn (2014)?

      In the late 80s when San Diego’s Bishop Maher refused communion to pro-abortion Assemblyman Lucy Killea, Bishop Quinn assured Killea she would never be refused Communion by any priest in Quinn’s diocese.

      Was Quinn demented back then?

      • Michael McDermott says:

        I do not know about Quinn – but I do know of a similar situation as described involving now deceased author Terry Pratchett.

        Pratchett wrote some of the finest Prose / Humor / Insight in the English Language (my favorite of all is Guards Guards! – well worth the read) but in later years became victim to Alzheimers and eventually died from it.

        However – in between, there were several ‘Pratchett’ books published that turned out to be mostly ghost written – and poorly so, which diminished the stature of the Author and his earlier and far superior works.

        Just Sayin…

      • Steve Phoenix says:

        I think you may want to read more on elderly dementia. Some experts divide it into 5 categories of different symptoms and origins. Dementia is more common in individuals in their later 80’s and nearly all have some aspects of it in their 90’s. It is not a denigrating diagnosis, and is not the same as Altsheimers or what we used to call generally senility. Reduction of blood circulation, esp. oxygen, to the brain is a principal culprit, esp. In the frontal parietal lobe, that affects rational thought and emotional control. People can be lucid some days and seriously affected the next day or days. It can have a sudden and accelerating onset in a matter of a week or a few weeks.

        • Steve Phoenix says:

          However, knowing Quinn in the early 1980’s, when he was in his 60’s, and comparing his views then to the screed above now, there is ample evidence of likely dementia. Just observe how at one point he is emotionally overcome with tears, regarding a minor matter of conversation. Things become highly emotionalized and confusing, and as Alice observes, depression is an obstacle—again partly due to blood flow and chemistry. Even if he himself wrote a book a year ago, things which may have been incipient signs of dementia and went unrecognized, or were manageable then, it appears now are greatly accelerated now.

          But in the end, the greatest evidence is, this is not at all the Quinn I knew years ago.

          • Quinncidentally (sorry, I couldn’t resist), Steve, I consulted a doctor friend who thinks that someone with dementia CAN write a novel which, I guess, answers my first question. I say “I guess” because the friend is a coroner–I kid you not–for whom questions from “patients” are rare indeed.

            That said, I would add that Quinn has also commented with much self-satisfaction that he allowed a Jazz Mass, female altar servers, and washed the feet of woman, all before they were approved.

          • I still think it implausible for one with dementia to write a “fictional memoir” in which he says the three main characters are based 60, 50, and 10% on himself, the balance being composites of others he’s known. No ghostwriter was used and he admits he’s no author (One reviewer suggested the author take a Grammar class, Composition I and II, and pass all the tests).

            So grudgingly, as a pre-pre-med nonstudent who takes medical advice from a coroner, I’ll meet your diagnosis halfway and just say that perhaps with Quinn there are indications of Partzheimer’s.

      • Steve Phoenix says:

        However, Hymie, I did not know of Quinn’s explicit encouragement of a pro-abort politician’s reception of communion. That definitely points in a doctrinal-drift direction, and maybe Quinn was hiding his real progressivist beliefs way back then. Good citation.

        Do we ever really know these people?

        • Linda Maria says:

          To Steve Phoenix– I have read, over the years, where Bishop Quinn was very encouraging of the gay lifestyle! It is always upsetting, for Catholics to read such news stories! Did you ever read, or hear about this, or talk to Quinn himself, regarding his views on this?

          • Steve Phoenix says:

            Again, at the time, Linda (1980-82), while then preparing young people for confirmation, I never heard anything from Quinn except orthodox Catholic thinking. However other people have cited other public pronouncements of his, so obviously there was another Quinn. That is why I say it is possible not to know a person; at least when he gave his sermons every year, at confirmation, there was nothing that could be criticized.

        • “…hiding his real progressivist beliefs”? Hardly, Steve. It’s well over 20 years ago that Bishop Quinn was quoted in a front page article of the local paper (Sacramento Bee) as saying had celibacy been optional when he was ordained he would be married. He further denigrated celibacy in the article, and said since priests had to be celibate, they should try (just try) to live a celibate life.

          At and before that time he was also an outspoken advocate of women’s ordination. He also advocated the acceptance of contraception and predicted that the Church would have to change its teaching on that issue. As far as I know he never took any stand on abortion, but showed great partiality toward liberal politicians who very publicly promoted…

          • promoted it.

            He cut Bishop Meagher off at the knees when Meagher refused the Eucharist to a prominent pro abortion politician in Meagher’s diocese who was running for election in a tight race. He assured her she would never be denied the Eucharist in Sacramento diocese.

            Liberal pro abortion politicians never seemed to miss chance for a photo op or some other type of exposure with him, which sent the subliminal message to their constituents that abortion is no big deal in the Church, so faithful Catholics would have less qualms about voting for them.

            The media loved to interview him and quote his radical views. He never failed them, and so they wrote many puff pieces about him. In fact many claim that the pols and the media both…

          • Steve Phoenix says:

            Rodney, are you sure that you are not referring to former San Francisco Archbishop John Quinn, regarding a podition re. pro-women’s ordination? I do not know of Bishop Francis Quinn, prior to 2015, publicly supporting women’s ordination.

  18. In this YEAR OF MERCY one would hope that Catholics could try, even a little, to be gentle in their criticism of others, even when they vehemently oppose them. Polarization is becoming a hallmark of the Church and our nation. We could all learn from the mercy of God!

    • Anonymous says:

      one would think.

      • Steve Phoenix says:

        Well, you two keep a close eye on all the rest of us, because “thank God you are not like the rest of [us] ‘men.'”(Luke 18:11)

    • Yes, perhaps at 94, Retired Bishop Francis Quinn sees with clarity that which eludes anyone younger.

    • Bob One, ALL Bishops, Priests, and Catholic Laity should adhere to Sacred Scripture (Catholic Bible)
      and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, second edition” (aka CCC; dark green cover in the USA).
      Then there would be no disagreements, and no disunity.

      Mercy is forgiveness when there is contrition.

  19. Michael McDermott says:

    Polarization has been a problem since the earliest days of the Church, as the letters of Paul and following records show. Today near universal recital of the Catholic belief is succinctly expressed in the profession of faith or credo called the Nicene Creed:

    “Our profession of faith begins with God, for God is the First and the Last, the beginning and the end of everything. The Credo begins with God the Father, for the Father is the first divine person of the Most Holy Trinity; our Creed begins with the creation of heaven and earth, for creation is the beginning and the foundation of all God’s works.”

    —the Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 198

    http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/

  20. Michael McDermott says:

    Since Saint John Paul II gave a ‘Pope Up’ Option to Married Episcopals I believe it has shown great merit as an example.

    If True – the 70% shows Great Disdain for power gained and often abused under false pretense:
    SEE
    Criteria for the Discernment of Vocation for Persons with Homosexual Tendencies http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html

    necessary to state clearly… cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called “gay culture”…

    – must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of persons with deep-seated…

  21. My nephew, who attended St. John’s Seminary, told me that Fr. Bar had informed the seminarians that if they did not pray daily, they would loose their vocation. He also said that a priest who does not have a devotion to Our Lady, especially her Rosary, would surely fail to be chaste and celibate. The bishop’s remarks are indeed scandalous to say the least.

    • Herman, your nephew was so blessed to hear this advice in the seminary. It is real truth! If all priests were consecrated to Our Lady, the Church would be quite different and, I firmly believe, holier.

  22. I am tired of the liberals always shouting MERCY. Mercy is only given to those who are contrite. It takes at least 8 years to study for the priesthood after high school. With all the training, formation, and spiritual guidance leading up to ordination, a man certainly knows what he is getting into. Life is a cross, and being celibate is a cross, but with God’s grace, and Our Lady’s help, it is possible to be chaste.

  23. in 2013, on the eve of the conclave, quinn gave address at stanford citing the failure to implement enough reforms in vatican ii, going along with the cardinal martini movement and the very many who felt trhat pope john paul ii and benedict xvi stymied the spirit of the council. his current statements seem to fit well with an outlook that very many american and world bishops shared and probably represent something worse than dementia.

  24. Unfortunately many people like this retired bishop are still spewing their poisonous modernistic venom on the faithful. The scandal this has caused is partially responsible for many souls leaving Holy Mother Church for Protestantism or even worse, atheism. Look at Sarah Palin; she was baptized Catholic, but then her parents all converted to Protestantism. The same thing could be said about Glen Beck, and others who were fed stones instead of bread.

  25. Everyone needs to back off on Bishop Quinn. He is only offering his opinion and insight. Perhaps all of us can learn something about life from someone (Bishop Quinn!) who has been on the planet and a leader in the Church for a long time. By the way, many of the Eastern Catholic Churches (who are in full communion with Rome) permit a married clergy.

  26. Christ said,’ if you love family more than ME, you are not worthy of ME.’ This was GOD speaking. How dare this wolf in sheep’s clothing try to mock Our Lord’s words !No wonder hardly anyone listens to or pays attention to what these modernist bishops have to say. His and the others’ insipid remarks are what is driving the multitude away from the Catholic Church and into the halls of the evangelical Protestants. They are wrecking the Catholic Church.

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